Deflection...
- Thread starter Zims Rack
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drivermaker
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Zims Rack said:
good post
But I do have an example that will explain that nothing done here means much at all if it was done by a person rather than a machine.
Tests like this have been done by machines in several sports (tennis, golf, etc.) because a person can't be consistant enough. Both of these examples have more moving body parts than pool. So talking about them could be argued that a person could do it easier in pool. So it took me a moment to think of the sport has less human moving parts than pool. Rifle target shooting came to mind. All they have to move is their trigger finger and it's a rarity to have the bullet go through the same hole. They are very happy if they can put them all in the bulls-eye.
So why can't they put it through the same hole? Well you might say there could have been one more grain or powder in the shell. And that is probably true, but one grain more of powder isn't going to make that much difference. A few things that could make a difference are - His feet were 1/8 of an inch farther apart, breathing out a little slower while pulling the trigger, his trigger finger was placed on the trigger 1/128 of an inch off to the left of where it was the last shot (ooohhh, now that is a good one). What I would say is, it would be very unlikely that a person could hold the cue the same two shots in row let alone hit the ball the same two shots in a row.
JR[/QUOTE]
Hi Captain,
Very well said..Your correct, sir. Seeing someone do something with your eyes, means nothing when it comes to re-peating the same-o same-o, over and again.
nuff said.
AMEM
blud
But I do have an example that will explain that nothing done here means much at all if it was done by a person rather than a machine.
Tests like this have been done by machines in several sports (tennis, golf, etc.) because a person can't be consistant enough. Both of these examples have more moving body parts than pool. So talking about them could be argued that a person could do it easier in pool. So it took me a moment to think of the sport has less human moving parts than pool. Rifle target shooting came to mind. All they have to move is their trigger finger and it's a rarity to have the bullet go through the same hole. They are very happy if they can put them all in the bulls-eye.
So why can't they put it through the same hole? Well you might say there could have been one more grain or powder in the shell. And that is probably true, but one grain more of powder isn't going to make that much difference. A few things that could make a difference are - His feet were 1/8 of an inch farther apart, breathing out a little slower while pulling the trigger, his trigger finger was placed on the trigger 1/128 of an inch off to the left of where it was the last shot (ooohhh, now that is a good one). What I would say is, it would be very unlikely that a person could hold the cue the same two shots in row let alone hit the ball the same two shots in a row.
JR[/QUOTE]
Hi Captain,
Very well said..Your correct, sir. Seeing someone do something with your eyes, means nothing when it comes to re-peating the same-o same-o, over and again.
nuff said.
AMEM
blud
fun
Zimmer,
Let's have some fun with this?
I'll be at the mid-west open in Oct.... Come by and let us make a bet, on you or a player hitting the ball to the same spot on the rail everytime. Bring cash, and bet what you want.
Anyone else feels as I do, send your money in, all others, I'll cover there bets also.
THE CUE BALL AND TABLE SET UP!
This will be fair for all involved.
The way to set this up is have the player at one end and place the CB in the same spot, or on the spot,then hang a silk scarf about 12" from the spot, just 1/8th above the tables surface,and place a carbon paper, taped down to the end rail,
"let-her rip".
This would be the same set up for a human as for a robot. Except were hiding a spot on the end rail to shot at.
With this approach, [ the player], will not be aiming at a spot on the rail.[the robot doesn't].Just use center ball to prove the human can not re-peat, the same shot two times in a row.
The robots or machines have only to aim at the cue ball, so should the player.
What do you think, Driver? I think it's fair for all.
Please comment folks.
Bet cash and bring plenty of it.
For those who like my side of it, mail your checks to my address,
Leonard Bludworth
Po Box 809
Leakey, Texas, 78873
PS, we acept, Visa, mastercard, Discover, and American express.
blud
Zims Rack said:
Zimmer,
Let's have some fun with this?
I'll be at the mid-west open in Oct.... Come by and let us make a bet, on you or a player hitting the ball to the same spot on the rail everytime. Bring cash, and bet what you want.
Anyone else feels as I do, send your money in, all others, I'll cover there bets also.
THE CUE BALL AND TABLE SET UP!
This will be fair for all involved.
The way to set this up is have the player at one end and place the CB in the same spot, or on the spot,then hang a silk scarf about 12" from the spot, just 1/8th above the tables surface,and place a carbon paper, taped down to the end rail,
"let-her rip".
This would be the same set up for a human as for a robot. Except were hiding a spot on the end rail to shot at.
With this approach, [ the player], will not be aiming at a spot on the rail.[the robot doesn't].Just use center ball to prove the human can not re-peat, the same shot two times in a row.
The robots or machines have only to aim at the cue ball, so should the player.
What do you think, Driver? I think it's fair for all.
Please comment folks.
Bet cash and bring plenty of it.
For those who like my side of it, mail your checks to my address,
Leonard Bludworth
Po Box 809
Leakey, Texas, 78873
PS, we acept, Visa, mastercard, Discover, and American express.
blud
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drivermaker
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blud said:
I think this might be the first time that someone will be sitting in their chair and not have a chance to shoot and still win the bet. It's a lock......
blud said:
Blud,
Actually, for the shot to be considered "the same", then the cueball must end up at exactly the same spot at the end (if it was truly struck at the same speed on both occasions). I've seen some of the best players practicing their lags, and they did NOT come close to reproducing their strokes. I'm with you. If you are doing this then the shooter must reproduce direction, spin, and speed (and if you really want to be picky, then angle of attack must be measured as well, since only the robots have a stick that is truly parallel to the table).
right
That's just what i'm saying. The ball got to hit the rail in the "SAME", spot each time.
I just hope they bring plenty of cash.
Captain, come on down help Willie wheel out the wheel-barrow full of cash.
Driver will bring the "tommy-gun", cause we be stealing.
I'll have my "thumper" [axe handle], and sawed off 12ga. auotmatic.[ no plug]
blud
Williebetmore said:
That's just what i'm saying. The ball got to hit the rail in the "SAME", spot each time.
I just hope they bring plenty of cash.
Captain, come on down help Willie wheel out the wheel-barrow full of cash.
Driver will bring the "tommy-gun", cause we be stealing.
I'll have my "thumper" [axe handle], and sawed off 12ga. auotmatic.[ no plug]
blud
Blud,blud said:
Not that this doesn't sound fun, but I did not shoot the same shot, I watched someone else shoot the same shot. Your test seems to be pretty fair, but I wont be tossing my money on the table for me to shoot that shot, not yet anyway (I need more seasoning, I think).
However, I will stop by and visit you at the Expo.
Zim