Delaminated Shaft by the J Petree

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shotmaker

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I purchase a laminated break shaft, from J Petree's, of Oklahoma Billiards, a couple of years ago. Right away, after I received it , I notice a noise that sounded to be cracked.
I contacted Petree in reference to this and he convinced me that is was excess epoxy glue up behind the brass insert.
I let it go and didn't pay much attention , until about a month ago, when I started hearing this noise again. I contacted J Petree, but his reply was kind smart alec. He emailed me and said well, what do you want me to do with it. When I replied back that I thought he should stand behind it and either fix it or repair it.

Was I wrong to assume that J Petree, of Oklahoma Billiards, would stand behind it , or should he have offered to have me send it to him and let him take a look at it.
No he did neither.

He went off and accused me of treating him like he was some a 19 year old punk.
Then he pretty much told me I should beg him to look at it for me , as if he was some Cuemaker God.

I took this shaft to a local maker here in Cincinnati. He couldn't find anything wrong with it and suggested that maybe it wasn't tightened all the way up.

A couple of days ago the girlfriend installed the break shaft for me and felt the crack, that I myself and the local cuemaker had missed.

This shaft has a crack between the laminations that is near the joint end and appears to be traveling towards the tip end. I beleive we didn't find it, because we were looking more towards the ferrule.
In the beginning , when I first made the purchase, J petree told me , on the phone, that if i determined that the noise was something broken in this shaft, that he would replace it.

I've emailed J Petre several times and he's ignored all of them. I've even gone as far as to include my phone number. but still to no avail.

Isn't this a defect in workmanship that any of you cuemakers would stand behind. It's obvious this crack didn't come from abuse.

It's a break shaft!

Leaving this thread is my last option in dealing with J Petree, since he chooses to ignore me contatcing him.
I guess this should be a warning to others that have problems.
This is how J Petree , of Oklahoma Billiards, will treat you.
 
I happen to know the other side of this story and you are leaving out facts and exagerating others. :rolleyes:

You are the ONLY person who perceives that they have had any problem in dealing with JW. Others have left nothing but glowing reviews of his work, his products and the way he deals with customers.

If you want to "try" to air this out in public, put everything on the table.
 
J Petree will not back his product

ScottR said:
I happen to know the other side of this story and you are leaving out facts and exagerating others. :rolleyes:

You are the ONLY person who perceives that they have had any problem in dealing with JW. Others have left nothing but glowing reviews of his work, his products and the way he deals with customers.

If you want to "try" to air this out in public, put everything on the table.
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Ok Scott I'm all ears. Let's hear what you have to say.

Is this Scott from Oklahoma Billiards?

hmm another one of those Azer's with multiple accounts?

I'd really like to hear what you have to say.
 
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shotmaker said:
I purchase a laminated break shaft, from J Petree's, of Oklahoma Billiards, a couple of years ago. Right away, after I received it , I notice a noise that sounded to be cracked.
I contacted Petree in reference to this and he convinced me that is was excess epoxy glue up behind the brass insert.
I let it go and didn't pay much attention , until about a month ago, when I started hearing this noise again. I contacted J Petree, but his reply was kind smart alec. He emailed me and said well, what do you want me to do with it. When I replied back that I thought he should stand behind it and either fix it or repair it.

Was I wrong to assume that J Petree, of Oklahoma Billiards, would stand behind it , or should he have offered to have me send it to him and let him take a look at it.
No he did neither.

He went off and accused me of treating him like he was some a 19 year old punk.
Then he pretty much told me I should beg him to look at it for me , as if he was some Cuemaker God.

I took this shaft to a local maker here in Cincinnati. He couldn't find anything wrong with it and suggested that maybe it wasn't tightened all the way up.

A couple of days ago the girlfriend installed the break shaft for me and felt the crack, that I myself and the local cuemaker had missed.

This shaft has a crack between the laminations that is near the joint end and appears to be traveling towards the tip end. I beleive we didn't find it, because we were looking more towards the ferrule.
In the beginning , when I first made the purchase, J petree told me , on the phone, that if i determined that the noise was something broken in this shaft, that he would replace it.

I've emailed J Petre several times and he's ignored all of them. I've even gone as far as to include my phone number. but still to no avail.

Isn't this a defect in workmanship that any of you cuemakers would stand behind. It's obvious this crack didn't come from abuse.

It's a break shaft!

Leaving this thread is my last option in dealing with J Petree, since he chooses to ignore me contatcing him.
I guess this should be a warning to others that have problems.
This is how J Petree , of Oklahoma Billiards, will treat you.
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LOLWTFLMAO.

There is truth in about 15% of this. If anyone out there believes I treat people this way then they have not dealt with me much.

There have be NO emails received from you since that first one MONTHS ago, and even then I told you to send it to me, and I never received it.

Now this?
 
Let's hear the other 85% of it

PetreeCues said:
LOLWTFLMAO.

There is truth in about 15% of this. If anyone out there believes I treat people this way then they have not dealt with me much.

There have be NO emails received from you since that first one MONTHS ago, and even then I told you to send it to me, and I never received it.

Now this?
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Scott
I sent you a private message 2 days ago and you didn't get them, but now you reply to this.

Hmm funny how that works!

Had you instructed me to send it to you, then I would not have sent you multiple private messages here, nor would I have continued with this.

You've not once offered to fix, replace etc.

All I wanted was resolution. I have no reason to badger anyone for anything.

You did email me back about a month ago, and there was nothing in there that instructed me to send the shaft to you.

Had you done so we wouldn't be here like this.

This is Scott right, that I'm talking too?

Please provide me with your mailing address and details of how you will handle this.
 
shotmaker said:
Ok Scott I'm all ears. Let's hear what you have to say.

Is this Scott from Oklahoma Billiards?

hmm another one of those Azer's with multiple accounts?

I'd really like to hear what you have to say.
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Many people on AZB know me personally and through the site. Those people and others also know that I am not JW Petree.

You might want to address your requests for information to the right person.
 
WAIT WAIT WAIT..... BRASS INSERT????

Are you sure you even have the right cue maker here? Are you honestly sure that I even made the shaft you are talking about?

Seriously...

JWP
 
It's definitely your shaft

PetreeCues said:
WAIT WAIT WAIT..... BRASS INSERT????

Are you sure you even have the right cue maker here? Are you honestly sure that I even made the shaft you are talking about?

Seriously...

JWP
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i bought this shaft from you on Ebay!

Remember the add
" Make your Break look like aTrain Wreck"

It's the only break shaft I've ever owned. I bought a few cue cases from you too, no problems with those.
 
This is getting interesting! I would say it sounds like there are missing pieces on both sides of this argument.

I will say this though...

I have experienced flat lam shafts delaminating. It was not from Mr Petree but it was definitely a delaminating. I caught it pretty quick though and there isn't anything that you can do to fix it that I am aware of.

Good luck on both sides! I hope all ends up well.

Dave
 
Dude, you need to take a deep breath...away from any chemicals. Go outside for a spell?

Regardless of whether you bought a shaft from JW or not, regardless of whether it has a problem or not, you seem to be confused about who you are addressing. What are you talking about AZ'er with multiple accounts? and "Is this Scott from Oklahoma billiards?". Your confusion does not help your case.

Sometimes emails do not get delivered. Sometimes there are misunderstandings related to them. As great as electronic communication is, it is full of pitfalls. Have you tried picking the phone up to call JW?

Kelly <==== not JW, Scott, or any other Oklahoma Billiards guy
 
I can't count the number of laminated shafts I've made, and have yet to have one seperate,

EXCEPT FOR

the two that the owner used the Mister Clean sponges on!!!!

For those using the sponges, have you read the instructions on the side of the package? It clearly says "do not use on polished or bare wood".


As to Mr Petree: I've done a small bit of business with him. Would you believe he had the audacity to email me back promptly?

I placed my order, then this guy really makes me mad by sending me an email to confirm my order had been shipped the very next day!!!!

Not only that, but he also sends a follow up email to ask how I liked the product!!!

What really got me though was when he sent another email saying if I didn't like any of the product, to send it back for a full refund!!!

Now I ask you, is that any way to run a business? You're damn right it is.
 
Yes, I do remember using the phrase "Train Wreck" in some ebay auctions years back. If it is one of those, then I probably did build it. Delamination in those blanks is not something I could have prevented, I hope you understand. Nevertheless, I would probably be willing to do something about it, given the right circumstances.

However, I think your post here is a little over the top. I think I remember you emailing me once about this (to be honest, I am still not sure exactly who you are, but I do seem to remember the subject), and it was some while back at that, and I never heard back from you. If you have sent emails or private messages since then, I do not recall getting them. What is your name and email address?

At times I have had some personal problems, been late delivering orders to people, especially lately, and I take full responsibility for it. One thing you can never accurately accuse me of is HIDING. Most of my customers and fellow cue makers know that I don't hide from anything nor anyone. If I did something wrong, I own it and I make it right in most counts. The only time you will find me denying someone my help with something is if the request or the person is completely abrasive and unreasonable. Both of which, I might add, you are fast approaching by blind-siding me in this forum like this.
 
Please call me

PetreeCues said:
Yes, I do remember using the phrase "Train Wreck" in some ebay auctions years back. If it is one of those, then I probably did build it. Delamination in those blanks is not something I could have prevented, I hope you understand. Nevertheless, I would probably be willing to do something about it, given the right circumstances.

However, I think your post here is a little over the top. I think I remember you emailing me once about this (to be honest, I am still not sure exactly who you are, but I do seem to remember the subject), and it was some while back at that, and I never heard back from you. If you have sent emails or private messages since then, I do not recall getting them. What is your name and email address?

At times I have had some personal problems, been late delivering orders to people, especially lately, and I take full responsibility for it. One thing you can never accurately accuse me of is HIDING. Most of my customers and fellow cue makers know that I don't hide from anything nor anyone. If I did something wrong, I own it and I make it right in most counts. The only time you will find me denying someone my help with something is if the request or the person is completely abrasive and unreasonable. Both of which, I might add, you are fast approaching by blind-siding me in this forum like this.
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Please call me lllllllllllllllllllMark
 
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That's Not The Jw Petree That I Know Off.........

PetreeCues said:
Yes, I do remember using the phrase "Train Wreck" in some ebay auctions years back. If it is one of those, then I probably did build it. Delamination in those blanks is not something I could have prevented, I hope you understand. Nevertheless, I would probably be willing to do something about it, given the right circumstances.

However, I think your post here is a little over the top. I think I remember you emailing me once about this (to be honest, I am still not sure exactly who you are, but I do seem to remember the subject), and it was some while back at that, and I never heard back from you. If you have sent emails or private messages since then, I do not recall getting them. What is your name and email address?

At times I have had some personal problems, been late delivering orders to people, especially lately, and I take full responsibility for it. One thing you can never accurately accuse me of is HIDING. Most of my customers and fellow cue makers know that I don't hide from anything nor anyone. If I did something wrong, I own it and I make it right in most counts. The only time you will find me denying someone my help with something is if the request or the person is completely abrasive and unreasonable. Both of which, I might add, you are fast approaching by blind-siding me in this forum like this.
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I HAVE NEVER HAVE OR HAD ANY PROBLEM WHEN EVER I DEAL WITH JW PETREE, HE IS ALWAY VERY HELP. PETE IS A GOOD GUY THAT I KNOW OFF, I DELT WITH HIM FOR MANY.... MANY... TIMES NOTHING BUT POSITIVE WAY. HOPE SOMEHOW THINGS WORKS OUT FOR BOTH SIDE.
PIECE OUT:cool:
 
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Delamination Happens/ Resolved miscommunication

J W Petree, I apologize.

Thanks for the phone call, it cleared up alot of things.

Somehow, someone has been getting my pms to you here and on top of that replied back , creating this miscommunication and now we are here.

Scott, I apoligize to you also.
What happened about amonth ago , when i sent a pm to J Petree, I received an pm back and it was signed Scott.
When you were the first to reply back I assumed it from the same place as the pm i received a month ago, and I'm sorry for assuming.
It wasn't a very nice one at that. When i continued to reply back I received nothing.

So to all of you that have read this, You may now understand why I resorted to this thread.

We aren't sure who it was, but after speaking with J Petree, it did not come from him.

He's not anything like the person i received that email from, nor did I at that time know how to contact him via email or Phone number., all i had then was his pm center here.

He has explained that he had no control over the the shaft delaminating.

I told him That was good enough for me. I just had to hear it. On top of that, he wants to make me another of which I'm willing to pay for.

All is well Thank You JW. Petree.
 
shotmaker said:
Please call me 513 293 9662 Mark
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J W Petree, I apologize.

Thanks for the phone call, it cleared up alot of things.

Somehow, someone has been getting my pms to you here and on top of that replied back , creating this miscommunication and now we are here.

Scott, I apoligize to you also.
What happened about amonth ago , when i sent a pm to J Petree, I received an pm back and it was signed Scott.
When you were the first to reply back I assumed it from the same place as the pm i received a month ago, and I'm sorry for assuming.
It wasn't a very nice one at that. When i continued to reply back I received nothing.

So to all of you that have read this, You may now understand why I resorted to this thread.

We aren't sure who it was, but after speaking with J Petree, it did not come from him.

He's not anything like the person i received that email from, nor did I at that time know how to contact him via email or Phone number., all i had then was his pm center here.

He has explained that he had no control over the the shaft delaminating.

I told him That was good enough for me. I just had to hear it. On top of that, he wants to make me another of which I'm willing to pay for.

All is well Thank You JW. Petree.
 
shotmaker said:
J W Petree, I apologize.

Thanks for the phone call, it cleared up alot of things.

Somehow, someone has been getting my pms to you here and on top of that replied back , creating this miscommunication and now we are here.
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The phone call is usually the best bet when trying to clear up any miscommunication.

I am a little perplexed by your statement in bold that someone has been getting your PM's to him and even answering them.

Are you sure you were messaging the correct person? If you had the correct person and it wasn't Petree answering them, then I think I might copy the file and send it to Petree so he may see that someone is answering for him.

I am not trying to start anything, I am just curious about PM's going to the wrong person.

Craig
 
Irish634 said:
I am a little perplexed by your statement in bold that someone has been getting your PM's to him and even answering them.

Are you sure you were messaging the correct person? If you had the correct person and it wasn't Petree answering them, then I think I might copy the file and send it to Petree so he may see that someone is answering for him.

Craig
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The PM thing is my largest concern too. I have a hard time believing that someone logged in as me and acted under my account, but I suppose it is possible.

I think it might be possible he was communicating with the wrong person or something. I wanted copies, but he does not have them. Not sure what the heck happened with that, but at least it is resolved.

He apologized to me for the thread here, and all is well. Delamination of a 2-year old laminated shaft is not something I could have prevented, but I am making him a new one at a reduced price so that he has his break cue back.

The world is round again. Everyone will have to find some other source of drama for today. ;-)

JWP
 
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