Dennis Wins - has this been done before?

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Dennis wins the 2013 USBTC 10 Ball so currently Mr. Orcullo (or Orcollo, I have seen it both ways).. is the current:

US Open 10 Ball Champ
DCC Bigfoot 10 Ball Champ
2013 USBTC 10 Ball Champ

In 9-ball:

lost to Shane in the finals of the US Open 9 Ball...
2013 Swanee 9-Ball Champion

it appears this fellow plays at a pretty consistent level :thumbup:

With the USBTC win I also wonder if this is the first time anyone has held a title in the same discipline (this being 10 ball) on 3 different size tables in the same 12 month period (7, 9 and 10 ft)?
 
He's a machine and he's won it all without anyone noticing because of the svb/dechaine TAR match.
 
I can't answer your questions... But really the game is just too easy for this guy. He never gets flustered and just plays his game, which is pretty much the best there is.
 
nb92 said:
Dennis wins the 2013 USBTC 10 Ball so currently Mr. Orcullo (or Orcollo, I have seen it both ways).. is the current:

US Open 10 Ball Champ
DCC Bigfoot 10 Ball Champ
2013 USBTC 10 Ball Champ

In 9-ball:

lost to Shane in the finals of the US Open 9 Ball...
2013 Swanee 9-Ball Champion

it appears this fellow plays at a pretty consistent level :thumbup:

With the USBTC win I also wonder if this is the first time anyone has held a title in the same discipline (this being 10 ball) on 3 different size tables in the same 12 month period (7, 9 and 10 ft)?
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I think TAR should put together Dennis and Shane under the exact conditions of SVB vs DECHAINE
Can Dennis outrun that break? I think so
 
nb92 said:
With the USBTC win I also wonder if this is the first time anyone has held a title in the same discipline (this being 10 ball) on 3 different size tables in the same 12 month period (7, 9 and 10 ft)?
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Probably not because they just started to mess around with 10 footers recently again so there is not much history there unless you skip back 50+ years.
 
peteypooldude said:
I think TAR should put together Dennis and Shane under the exact conditions of SVB vs DECHAINE
Can Dennis outrun that break? I think so
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Wasn't Shane's B&R percentage in the last TAR over 50%?

Either way, whoever stays at the table the longest will probably be the winner. These guys are both run-out machines, and Dennis' 10-Ball break won't be an excuse, this guy knows how to get shape off the break.

It only makes sense that these two play in the next TAR, I personally think this matchup would have the highest viewership to date.

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nb92 said:
Dennis wins the 2013 USBTC 10 Ball so currently Mr. Orcullo (or Orcollo, I have seen it both ways).. is the current:

US Open 10 Ball Champ
DCC Bigfoot 10 Ball Champ
2013 USBTC 10 Ball Champ


With the USBTC win I also wonder if this is the first time anyone has held a title in the same discipline (this being 10 ball) on 3 different size tables in the same 12 month period (7, 9 and 10 ft)?
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Probably......
 
billiardguy87 said:
I would love to see a Dennis vs. Shane TAR match. Lets make it happen. I think Dennis would prevail though.
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In the all around I believe Dennis won the 1 pkt and the 10-ball on TAR with the tight table config.... The 8-ball was a run-out fest with packages of 6 and 8 by both players (I could be wrong on package totals...)

So Dennis is cool with the TAR Studio and has no problem on tournament tables.. I think on the Bar table the score yesterday was 7-0 (Dennis / SVB)
 
Would love to see Shane and Dennis play a TAR match. With a caveat though. First, none of this Magic Rack crap. Second, no pattern racking allowed.

Thought it was ridiculous to watch Dennis make the same numbered ball in the same pocket break after break. The two ball at the rear of the rack every rack. The Magic Rack may give a tight rack every time. Like the Sardo, once the rack is trained, the same ball goes in every time. Did anyone else notice Dennis marking the table the first time he set the Magic Rack in place? The game of pool relies on some variability. The Magic Rack gives none.

Regardless, it would still be a great match to view.

Lyn
 
Yup, the match was pretty recent, tar 29. Shane got him eight ball, Orcullo got 1p, I think ten ball was a nail biter like 25-23. I think I read in an old thread Shane once played Dennis giving him a ball. Clearly not needed now. These guys play close and need a rematch. Dennis has inhuman consistency in his stroke and runs packages on tiny pockets. Take that away with the big pockets and it's a tossup. Should be another all around so the match doesn't become all about BnR's.


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cardiac kid said:
Would love to see Shane and Dennis play a TAR match. With a caveat though. First, none of this Magic Rack crap. Second, no pattern racking allowed.

Thought it was ridiculous to watch Dennis make the same numbered ball in the same pocket break after break. The two ball at the rear of the rack every rack. The Magic Rack may give a tight rack every time. Like the Sardo, once the rack is trained, the same ball goes in every time. Did anyone else notice Dennis marking the table the first time he set the Magic Rack in place? The game of pool relies on some variability. The Magic Rack gives none.

Regardless, it would still be a great match to view.

Lyn
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To be fair though everyone racks the 2 ball in the back nowadays and practically everyone pattern racks in 9 nine ball. If they do play in a TAR match it has to be 10 ball. Seems to be an even race in the current format of race to 25 or 26 with 2 out 3 sets. In a long race to 100 I think Dennis is a slight favorite. If you go back and look at past TAR podcasts even SVB himself said he tended to avoid playing Dennis. That would be one hell of a good TAR match though......
 
cardiac kid said:
Would love to see Shane and Dennis play a TAR match. With a caveat though. First, none of this Magic Rack crap. Second, no pattern racking allowed.

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"Back in the day" :smile: the races to 100 were on a regular diamond table. I know the race to 100 with Alex's comeback, used a WOODEN Diamond rack (OMG)... if ever there was reason to get "Old School" (back to 2008, ha) and the race to 100 back on... it would be for these two..
 
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LHP5 said:
To be fair though everyone racks the 2 ball in the back nowadays and practically everyone pattern racks in 9 nine ball. If they do play in a TAR match it has to be 10 ball. Seems to be an even race in the current format of race to 25 or 26 with 2 out 3 sets. In a long race to 100 I think Dennis is a slight favorite. If you go back and look at past TAR podcasts even SVB himself said he tended to avoid playing Dennis. That would be one hell of a good TAR match though......
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And there in lies the basic problem. Everyone does it. Doesn't make it right.

Sometime when you have a moment, look up AZ member Paul Schofield. He runs a beautiful pool room in Erie, PA. His tournaments use the "No Conflict" rules he developed. Don't agree with everything he suggests but the overall treatment of the racking process should be reviewed by the games rule makers. And importantly to me, no Magic Rack, no pattern racks! If you have to play with the Magic Rack, nine ball on the spot! Sound familiar?

Lyn
 
I dont get it??

If Dennis is running racks because he knows how to break and control the One Ball, then why doesnt every "highly skilled" pro or near pro learn to do the same.

It sounds like I'm hearing everybody say that only Dennis can do this or that he is the only one that can run out over and over...., again the American players just dont want it bad enough to put in the work.

Dennis has action in his country and in Japan and China right? So why not in America?
 
peteypooldude said:
I started a thread on this in hopes of getting JCINS attention
Didn't mean to derail the ops thread
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I hope I didn't step on you in any way. Basically I was pointing out that Dennis is doing something special (over the last year). I would love to see a real honest to goodness action match with these two.

I don't believe backing is an issue with either one and if it is on TAR GREAT!, if it is POVPOOL / Big Truck / Insidepool or some "dude" with a tripod covering it in the action room at the US Open 10-ball-8-ball-1pkt or Tunica or in some room with a rooster crowing --- I really don't care... I just would like to see them knock heads for "cheese":grin:
 
Lyn, I can understand if you like Paul's rules, but there's 0.00% chance they'll ever use them for a TAR match.
That's my read based on what JCIN's said in the past. People like to see break'n'runs.
They like seeing packages where one guy is trapped in his chair for half an hour,
then must somehow step up, shake off the icicles, and return fire with his own package.

I actually agree with you (and paul) that alternate breaks, shoot your own break is more fair.
But sometimes fair has to take a backseat to entertaining.
Otherwise JCIN goes broke and future matches simply don't happen.

As for the magic rack... Dennis doesn't work hard on his break and fly thousands of miles
just to play a match with lots of "variability" (translation: luck).
Banning pattern racking is fine, but if you go with a triangle that allows for tiny gaps,
that's just turning the break into Hit Hard'n'Hope.
These guys don't want Lady Luck deciding if they get paid or not.

Remember TAR doesn't force magic rack on anyone, it's what the players agree to.
If there's something wrong, broken, or unfair about the magic rack, why do the players
agree to use it in 90% of the TAR matches we've seen?
 
CreeDo said:
Lyn, I can understand if you like Paul's rules, but there's 0.00% chance they'll ever use them for a TAR match.
That's my read based on what JCIN's said in the past. People like to see break'n'runs.
They like seeing packages where one guy is trapped in his chair for half an hour,
then must somehow step up, shake off the icicles, and return fire with his own package.

I actually agree with you (and paul) that alternate breaks, shoot your own break is more fair.
But sometimes fair has to take a backseat to entertaining.
Otherwise JCIN goes broke and future matches simply don't happen.

As for the magic rack... Dennis doesn't work hard on his break and fly thousands of miles
just to play a match with lots of "variability" (translation: luck).
Banning pattern racking is fine, but if you go with a triangle that allows for tiny gaps,
that's just turning the break into Hit Hard'n'Hope.
These guys don't want Lady Luck deciding if they get paid or not.

Remember TAR doesn't force magic rack on anyone, it's what the players agree to.
If there's something wrong, broken, or unfair about the magic rack, why do the players
agree to use it in 90% of the TAR matches we've seen?
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I believe hit hard and hope was the original idea to ensure a RANDOM START. You weren't supposed to know where any ball wound up imho.
 
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