Deno.... please respond

cueball1950

cueball1950

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Deno... i just want to give you this chance to respond before your reputation is totally shot to hell. How in the hell can you go on believing this mans lies and half truths? Don't you cherish your integrity and your reputation anymore? You have made many friends and acquaintances on these boards. I, myself, thought you were a man of your word and a gentleman because of your billiard prowess. When i learned to play billiards it was drilled into my head how to treat other billiard players. My teachers always told me that billiards is a gentlemans game. That, Sir , is why i respected you as a gentleman and a fellow 3 cushion player. So please come out from under Kevin Trudeau's coat talis and talk with all of your real friends. Let us know what is really going on with the IPT. not the spin that KT has you throwing out there..a fellow 3 cushion player and future friend.. i hope to play you some 3 cushion someday......mike
 
Respond ?

That's kinda unfair to ask Mr Deno to eat into his 'Stealing Candy from little kids' time. He's going for a full bag of candy today.
 
cueball1950 said:
Deno... i just want to give you this chance to respond before your reputation is totally shot to hell. How in the hell can you go on believing this mans lies and half truths? Don't you cherish your integrity and your reputation anymore? You have made many friends and acquaintances on these boards. I, myself, thought you were a man of your word and a gentleman because of your billiard prowess. When i learned to play billiards it was drilled into my head how to treat other billiard players. My teachers always told me that billiards is a gentlemans game. That, Sir , is why i respected you as a gentleman and a fellow 3 cushion player. So please come out from under Kevin Trudeau's coat talis and talk with all of your real friends. Let us know what is really going on with the IPT. not the spin that KT has you throwing out there........mike
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That goes double ditto from me too......
Doug
 
Smorgass Bored said:
That goes double ditto from me too......
Doug
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100K plus coming in from the qualifiers this week...I'm sure he's to busy giggling to answer you.:(

I wonder if I held my own qualifying tourney for 2007 and got 8 hopefuls (suckers) to play and didn't send the money into Deno...would the IPT come after me for the cash?
 
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The room-owner doesn't even see the money. The players pay by card to the IPT.

Btw: It isn't 100 K this weekend, remember that many of the players have free entries
 
Roy Steffensen said:
The room-owner doesn't even see the money. The players pay by card to the IPT.

Btw: It isn't 100 K this weekend, remember that many of the players have free entries
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Some players have free entries... I would venture a guess that very few have free entries. IMO, a select few having free entries doesn't change anything except for a few thousand dollars the IPT takes in. It certainly doesn't change the fact that others are paying $2000... a few guys getting free entries does not make it "ok" for the qualifiers to continue and others get scammed out of $2000 a qualifier.
 
cueball1950 said:
Deno... i just want to give you this chance to respond before your reputation is totally shot to hell. How in the hell can you go on believing this mans lies and half truths? Don't you cherish your integrity and your reputation anymore? You have made many friends and acquaintances on these boards. I, myself, thought you were a man of your word and a gentleman because of your billiard prowess. When i learned to play billiards it was drilled into my head how to treat other billiard players. My teachers always told me that billiards is a gentlemans game. That, Sir , is why i respected you as a gentleman and a fellow 3 cushion player. So please come out from under Kevin Trudeau's coat talis and talk with all of your real friends. Let us know what is really going on with the IPT. not the spin that KT has you throwing out there..a fellow 3 cushion player and future friend.. i hope to play you some 3 cushion someday......mike
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I like Deno. I think Deno's a good guy. I could seriously see how Deno might be truly stuck here.

I think, though, that the long search for irony has finally ended. Deno, a gentlemanly carom player, has always viewed pool players as a little, well..., on the low-life side... The irony is he's hitched himself to someone who, imo, could give the worst mother-robbing pool player the six out...
 
I guess 1 could only hope for an answer. His silence i guess is his answer. To bad....................................mike
 
mikepage said:
I like Deno. I think Deno's a good guy. I could seriously see how Deno might be truly stuck here.

I think, though, that the long search for irony has finally ended. Deno, a gentlemanly carom player, has always viewed pool players as a little, well..., on the low-life side... The irony is he's hitched himself to someone who, imo, could give the worst mother-robbing pool player the six out...
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That about says that.
 
Mikepage...<<I could seriously see how Deno might be truly stuck here. >>

How can he be stuck? Unless his finances are seriously low and it is a matter of stealing bread like Jean Valjean...then he can't be "stuck." If you find out your boss is a chronic liar, you quit. Involuntary servitude was outlawed in this country quite a few years ago.

Regards,
Jim
 
If Deno still believes things are being postponed... he is very wise if he does not say a word over here. Some people choose not to bite the hand that feeds them. Allthough i wouldn't do this myself i can not blame him for not answering the question.
 
I still cannot understand why no-one in the large pool industry have made contact with someone from Mr Ho's camp? This is all a little fishy to me.

Im sure there are some influential people who are keeping an eye on all this, why can't anyone confirm this Ho Merger is for real or a sham?

Because no one has been able to directly find Kt to be telling lies I have to assume that the IPT is still alive.

However I think this silent approach by KT and staff is somewhat disrespectful. I know he has sent some letters but that does not answer the question being asked here.
 
Noodles said:
I still cannot understand why no-one in the large pool industry have made contact with someone from Mr Ho's camp? This is all a little fishy to me.

Im sure there are some influential people who are keeping an eye on all this, why can't anyone confirm this Ho Merger is for real or a sham?

Because no one has been able to directly find Kt to be telling lies I have to assume that the IPT is still alive.

However I think this silent approach by KT and staff is somewhat disrespectful. I know he has sent some letters but that does not answer the question being asked here.
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Although there are two sentences in the above post with a question mark only one of them is actually a question so it is assumed that "the question being asked here" to which you refer and to which you want an answer is "why can't anyone confirm this Ho merger is for real or a sham?"

It's difficult to put forward a fully comprehensive answer but I'll have two cents worth if you like,just an opinion.

The alleged acquisition of IPT is by "Ho Interactive".Being allegedly a new company in the proces of formation there are no contact details for it anywhere.Ho's empire is huge and acquisition of a fledgling pool tour with big ideas,inefficient management,no apparent significant assets,severe cash flow problems and a mountain of debt,if it is being discussed or dealt with at all by Ho's empire,could be being handled by any one of dozens of different offices within that empire.It would be hard to know where best to start in trying to identify and locate whoever is dealing with this in Ho's empire and even if you were succesful in doing that my business experience of dealing with Chinese is such that imho it would probably be very difficult to get them to comment anyway.

Furthermore even if several of Ho's business arms answered that they were not involved it would not necessarily mean that another Ho arm wasn't involved without the knowledge of others in the group.Given his lifestyle etc,although it is not impossible it is unlikely that Stanley Ho himself has ever heard of Kevin Trudeau or IPT,even if there are acquisition talks going on with Ho Group personnel and even if those talks have genuinely reached the serious stage.It is a minor matter when viewed in the perspective of his scale of operations and interests.

A few site members have in fact already indicated in other forums that they have sent e mails to various Ho addresses and no doubt if they ever get an answer they will post it.Hope that helps.
 
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Timberly said:
Some players have free entries... I would venture a guess that very few have free entries. IMO, a select few having free entries doesn't change anything except for a few thousand dollars the IPT takes in. It certainly doesn't change the fact that others are paying $2000... a few guys getting free entries does not make it "ok" for the qualifiers to continue and others get scammed out of $2000 a qualifier.
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I'd like to know exactly what these people are qualifying for? :confused:

At this point, does anyone know, for sure, if and when there will be another IPT tournament?

It seems to me, as things are now, these people are paying $2000 to enter a qualifier tournament with no prize. :eek:
 
Noodles said:
I still cannot understand why no-one in the large pool industry have made contact with someone from Mr Ho's camp? This is all a little fishy to me.

Im sure there are some influential people who are keeping an eye on all this, why can't anyone confirm this Ho Merger is for real or a sham?

Because no one has been able to directly find Kt to be telling lies I have to assume that the IPT is still alive.

However I think this silent approach by KT and staff is somewhat disrespectful. I know he has sent some letters but that does not answer the question being asked here.
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Although there are two sentences in the above post with a question mark only one of them is actually a question so it is assumed that "the question being asked here" to which you refer and to which you want an answer is "why can't anyone confirm this Ho merger is for real or a sham?"

It's difficult to put forward a fully comprehensive answer but I'll have two cents worth if you like,just an opinion.

The alleged acquisition of IPT is by "Ho Interactive".Being allegedly a new company in the proces of formation there are no contact details for it anywhere.Ho's empire is huge and acquisition of a fledgling pool tour with big ideas,no apparent significant assets,severe cash flow problems and a mountain of debt,if it is being discussed or dealt with at all by Ho's empire,could be being handled by any one of dozens of different offices within that empire.It would be hard to know where best to start in trying to identify and locate whoever is dealing with this in Ho's empire and even if you were succesful in doing that my business experience of dealing with Chinese is such that it would probably be very difficult to get them to comment anyway.

Furthermore even if several of Ho's business arms answered that they were not involved it would not necessarily mean that another Ho arm wasn't involved without the knowledge of others in the group.Stanley Ho himself is unlikely to have ever heard of Kevin Trudeau or IPT,even if there are acquisition talks going on which have genuinely reached the serious stage.

A few site members have in fact already indicated in other forums that they have sent e mails to various Ho addresses and no doubt if they ever get an answer they will post it.Hope that helps.
 
Rich R. said:
I'd like to know exactly what these people are qualifying for? :confused:

At this point, does anyone know, for sure, if and when there will be another IPT tournament?

It seems to me, as things are now, these people are paying $2000 to enter a qualifier tournament with no prize. :eek:
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At this point they are still qualifying for a chance to win a spot as a 2007 IPT Card Holder, which according to public statements, press releasesm and website content provided by the IPT and by Tour Founder, Kevin Trudeau, is worth a minimum of $100,000 for each tour card holder in 2007. It is quite fantastic that no one has asked or has the power to force the IPT to verify it's ability to fulfill the promises of it's statements.

One would think that some form of corporate Habeus Corpus should apply here. That means an order to produce a body for those that don't know.
 
Timberly said:
Some players have free entries... I would venture a guess that very few have free entries. IMO, a select few having free entries doesn't change anything except for a few thousand dollars the IPT takes in. It certainly doesn't change the fact that others are paying $2000... a few guys getting free entries does not make it "ok" for the qualifiers to continue and others get scammed out of $2000 a qualifier.
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Not so sure about that Timberley:confused: I haven't counted them so far it's just a gut feeling on numbers of entrants but if the average number of entrants in all the tour card qualifying events held is say around 6 players and if we assume that everyone who wins a free entry (ie everyone who ever finishes 3rd to 6th) eventually uses that free entry in another tour card qualifier it is pretty much a nailed on mathematical certainty that the majority of the total entrants in all the events are free entrants.

There would only be a definite aggregate overall majority of paying entrants in all the tournaments held if the average entry was more than 8 players per event and even then it might only be a small majority.Clearly from entry fields so far the average number of runners is not going to be high enough for it to be "very few" who have free entries,relatively speaking,unless large numbers of the free entry winners never get round to using their free entry.

Of course any particular qualifying events with very much higher than 8 runners or significantly less than 6 runners would for different reasons distort the overall average principle I have described but I think its a very safe bet that you are wrong to say very few are free entrants and probably a fairly safe bet to on the contrary say that at the very least approaching half and possibly the majority, are in fact free entrants.
 
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Timberley.....I've now done a quick count and it looks like this,the figures might not be spot on cos I haven't had time to check thoroughly:-

* 66 tour card qualifying events at which 326 players have taken part,so the average is running at very close to 5 runners per event and not my gut instinct earlier guess of 6.

* the 66 events have generated a total of 165 free entries handed out as prizes,an average of 2.5 per event.

* assuming entry number patterns remain roughly the same for the remaining events and assuming all free entries are used,after 100 events there will have been approx 500 runners,out of which approx 250 will have been paid entries and 250 will have been free entries......50/50.

* in those circumstances the projected net entry fee income revenue for all 100 tour card events in total would therefore be in the region of $500,000/-
 
You can stick a fork in the IPT......its DONE! Now its just a question of what can the players do to get their money that is owed to them....

Southpaw
 
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