dendweller
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And the pockets were nailed in. Had to put this padded black tape over the nail heads. That really is pretty poor for there professional line.
Served it's purpose, ended up giving it away.
Diamond pockets specs
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Served it's purpose, ended up giving it away.
Are you saying the pocket in that pic’s 5” wide? Judging by the balls there it looks more like just over 4”.
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I've played on GC that used these and it played great. https://www.classicbilliards.net/cu...urometer-hardness-die-cut-cushion-facing.html I didn't measure but i'd say they were around 4.5" when finished. Played fine imo.
dendweller
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No, it was 5 inches from the factory, that pic is triple shimmed. My point was, given the angles and soft facings from the factory the pocket sucked. From out front they seemed wider than a stock gold crown, down the rail they were irritating as hell. They had to be better than 143 degrees. Once triple shimmed they stopped being irritating and balls down the rail weren't a problem any more. Deadened pockets were a vast improvement to that table.
dendweller
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I have those on my gold crown. It's still a little dead if you hit real close to the pocket, but really, your only gaining 3/16 worth of shim on each side.
It is about 4.5, the pockets don't spit a lot out. They aren't quite as lively as a thinner shimmed pocket would be though but not bad for a home owner job. I'll have them extended if the opportunity arises.
dendweller
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Like I said, home owner special, that's probably the best looking corner. Found out, wrapping rails well is difficult.
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tightening reduces useable shelf depth
I see, so that means the table gets more difficult with higher TDF
no. shorter shelf plays easier.
Since this thread started with mods to areas other than the pocket, when the pocket is made to different sizes...
I wish the baskets and the pocket casting/trim were offered in 2-3 sizes per manufacturer.
Brunswick trim is designed for 5" pockets. (Most table brands actually are designed for 5"). When the pockets are 4 1/2", they look bad, because the cushion extends into the pocket. Smaller is super ugly still. We can see this on the MR Mosconi Cup Rasson tables that were 4 1/8" range.
Diamond tables are designed for 4.5" pockets, their Pro-Cut pocket. When they are ordered at the MR 4" spec, they look bad.
Predator tables are designed for 4 1/4", and look great at that size.
I think the volume of the tables is enough that the manufacturer could have different versions of the pocket trim parts to accommodate the pocket sizes they offer.
I wish the baskets and the pocket casting/trim were offered in 2-3 sizes per manufacturer.
Brunswick trim is designed for 5" pockets. (Most table brands actually are designed for 5"). When the pockets are 4 1/2", they look bad, because the cushion extends into the pocket. Smaller is super ugly still. We can see this on the MR Mosconi Cup Rasson tables that were 4 1/8" range.
Diamond tables are designed for 4.5" pockets, their Pro-Cut pocket. When they are ordered at the MR 4" spec, they look bad.
Predator tables are designed for 4 1/4", and look great at that size.
I think the volume of the tables is enough that the manufacturer could have different versions of the pocket trim parts to accommodate the pocket sizes they offer.
I have 4.25 inch pockets on my home table and it plays just fine.
Honestly though I guess in a commercial setting it depends what I want. If I owned a bar I wouldn’t go below 4.5 inches . I don’t want the average guy playing for fun to take forever to play a game but it’s still tight enough for my local apa players to play leagues.
If I owned a pool hall then I’m going to 4.25. You obviously have a different kind of patron playing pool in that situation and most are more than just a casual player who will want tighter equipment.
In no scenario am I getting the league cut 4.75 pockets they now make. Might as well save your money and get some valley’s
In a commercial room you want big wickets for the majority of play. Have a couple snug ones for better players but not all of them. 4.5 is a pretty good all-around size but still kinda tight for bangers. I see it at my local spot all the time. Most fun players can't make two balls on buckets much less anything tighter.
We are all delusional here. 4.5" is tight for ANY player, outside of the top 50 in the world. Especially on a Diamond that has a shelf a mile deep. How many players can beat the ghost on a 9' GC with factory 5" pockets? Maybe 1 out of 100 SERIOUS players?
Smaller pockets are just for bragging rights. The players that insist on them for the most part can't even run a single rack. Its mind boggling to me how the trend has gotten so tight.
Smaller pockets are just for bragging rights. The players that insist on them for the most part can't even run a single rack. Its mind boggling to me how the trend has gotten so tight.
My local place has ten GC4's. For some braindead reason they have six that are around 4.25 and four that are a tad over 4.5 Watching the bangers miss balls is funny and painful at the same time. They need to keep the front two action tables tight and open up the rest. The current owners don't know shit about pool and refuse to listen to those that do. They make money 'cause its the only place in town with good equipment. BTW, i don't think Top50 skills are required to play on 4.5" pockets. Not that tough to play on. Tough sure but not brutal. Standard 5" pockets were designed for poolrooms/rec centers where most people were/are casual players with no real skill set to speak of.
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According to somebody, having GC at 4.25" making it easier to pocket balls ?
answer is NO, a 4.25" corner pocket GC is a tougher table to play on. tighter openings do make the shelf a bit shorter but depending on what angle the cushion is cut you can still end up with a very tough table. there is a TON of info on this here on AZ, you just have to do searches to find it. just curious, where are you located?
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I disagree. But I learned on 9' Diamonds with sub-4.5" pockets.
I would rather be a railbird and wait for a "tight" Diamond than play on a GC with 5" buckets. No joy IMO. YMMV
What's your skill, seriously? Are you the favorite to beat the 9 ball ghost day in and day out (on a 9' GC 5" pocket).
One of our local bars got rid of his valley for a diamond with 4.25. He now charges a $1 a game instead of 50 cents and he’s not making anymore Money with It . It takes twice as long to play a game for the local bar patrons lol
I don’t think 4.25 are tight for good players. I’d have a 4 inch table or 2 for the real serious players. My friend who plays in matchroom events has 4 inch and I consider myself a very good amateur and it’s to tight for me. It’s just not fun.