DIAMOND SYSTEMS for Aiming LARGE-ANGLE Sliding Bank Shots into Corner and Side Pockets

[tomatoshooter]

Unlike many systems out there, these are as simple as they get ... and they are effective!

I've been using the 1/3 more than twice and it's been working really well for me. I can't remember if you mentioned it in the video but often 1/6 less than half gets the same result but can be easier to measure if the object ball is a little closer to the end rail than the nearest diamond.

 

[dr_dave]

I've been using the 1/3 more than twice and it's been working really well for me. I can't remember if you mentioned it in the video but often 1/6 less than half gets the same result but can be easier to measure if the object ball is a little closer to the end rail than the nearest diamond.

Good idea. I had not thought of doing that. Although, 1/6 is probably more difficult for people to judge than 1/3. Also, my new twice-plus-tenth system is better. I’ll be posting a video soon.

 

[SlateMan]

Good idea. I had not thought of doing that. Although, 1/6 is probably more difficult for people to judge than 1/3. Also, my new twice-plus-tenth system is better. I’ll be posting a video soon.

Just remember what A&W found with their 1/3 burger:
"It turns out the majority of participants incorrectly believed one-third of a pound was actually smaller than a quarter of a pound."

 

[bbb]

Just remember what A&W found with their 1/3 burger:
"It turns out the majority of participants incorrectly believed one-third of a pound was actually smaller than a quarter of a pound."

Well 3 is less than 4 correct?

 

[justadub]

How does this apply to the Cleary Bend/Bank system?

 

[Rocket354]

I also think it is unfortunate Diamond tables bank much shorter than most other table brands under similar conditions (especially the "Red Label" Diamonds) per the info here:

Diamond tables banking short​

I was just trying out the two-to-one and 1/3-more-than-twice systems last night on my Diamond (more recent even than blue label; it has a black label). I two to one banked fine for smaller banks (two diamonds or less total) but it started coming up short past that. Then for 1/3 more than twice, it was consistently short, just a couple inches inside the pocket every time. I changed it to 2/3 more than twice and that seemed to work for larger banks (3 diamonds+) but that additive constant started getting restricted below that.

Tangential, but how to most pros, particularly the ones strong at banks, approach bank shots? Given that very few in-game banks will follow lines perfectly, and so will require estimating angles and then contact points, and then adjusting for contact-induced spin, etc, etc, are systems really primarily for someone to set up in practice and see "what works" and then develop an intuition from there? Or are many players really just so adept at the various calculations and adjustments that they're doing the entire process quickly, albeit still consciously?

 

[dr_dave]

I was just trying out the two-to-one and 1/3-more-than-twice systems last night on my Diamond (more recent even than blue label; it has a black label). I two to one banked fine for smaller banks (two diamonds or less total) but it started coming up short past that. Then for 1/3 more than twice, it was consistently short, just a couple inches inside the pocket every time. I changed it to 2/3 more than twice and that seemed to work for larger banks (3 diamonds+) but that additive constant started getting restricted below that.

Tangential, but how to most pros, particularly the ones strong at banks, approach bank shots? Given that very few in-game banks will follow lines perfectly, and so will require estimating angles and then contact points, and then adjusting for contact-induced spin, etc, etc, are systems really primarily for someone to set up in practice and see "what works" and then develop an intuition from there? Or are many players really just so adept at the various calculations and adjustments that they're doing the entire process quickly, albeit still consciously?

Good bankers have great intuition and feel and can adjust to table conditions quickly.

 

[tomatoshooter]

Good idea. I had not thought of doing that. Although, 1/6 is probably more difficult for people to judge than 1/3. Also, my new twice-plus-tenth system is better. I’ll be posting a video soon.

Twice plus tenth system is even better?!? 1/3 more than twice has really been working well for me.

For those who would like a clearer explanation of half minus 1/6, which is just a different way of approaching 1/3 more than twice, here it is.

If you are standing at the long rail with the side pocket to your right and the corner pocket to your left, looking perpendicular across the table, the object ball is a couple of inches to the left of the second diamond. Imagine a line from the center of the side pocket to your right (invisible 4th diamond) through the second diamond (half). Then move the far end of that line 2" to the left of the second diamond and that line will be close enough to the center of the ball that it should be easy to shift to dead center.

I find it easier to shift this way than if I moved the near end of the line 6" to the right and shifted the whole thing back to meet the ball. It depends on which reference line the ball is nearestThis basically gives me twice as many reference lines, although, as Dr. Dave has pointed out, 1/6 is more difficult to visualize than 1/3. 1/6 of a diamond is 2" compared to 2 1/4" for a standard ball on a 9' table.