Diamond, The Billiards Den and Cue-Tech(long)

ShootingArts

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I promised several people a report after my week in Dallas. Hopefully this gives a little of the feel of each place I visited, some more than once. This was a great trip. I met the husband and wife team Larry and Marcy Rothberg that own the Billiards Den, Dean over at Diamond, RandyG at Cue Tech, and Thomas who posts on here as TD873 was a fantastic host and guide the night we got together.

Diamond Billiards is probably the best small pool hall this nonsmoker has ever been to. No smoke, high ceilings, great equipment, basically restricted to serious players. Can anyone ask for more? How about a raised viewing area, video cameras, and wide screen plasma to keep up with action! Webcasts are in the plans too. Rates are very reasonable, three dollars for thirty minutes unlimited play on coin operated nine foot Diamonds. Yes, you read that right, coin operated nine foot Diamonds with ball returns. Eight of those and a seven foot Diamond at the same rate. I had to try the seven footer, first seven foot table I have ever seen with pockets cut exactly the same as the nine foot tables. This isn't a bar table! Clean balls and excellent house cues. Very easy access just off of 635. Great place and action to be had.

The Billiards Den is much larger, 18,000 square feet with maybe 12-14 foot ceilings. It is very well laid out, and has about a dozen eight footers and a handful of bar tables and nine footers. They must have had some left over parts or something because they had a couple of odd tables also. A huge one with no pockets; they only give you three balls to play on this one but since you can't pocket them anyway that is plenty! Then they have another big table with little bitty pockets. They solve the problem there by giving you littler balls to play with. Somebody forgot to number a bunch of red ones but the table is still fun to play on. Add a full bar and food from sandwiches and appetizers to entrees and this is only the beginning. Dart area, table top games in the food area, a full custom cuemaking and repair shop, and a nine footer in a separate completely enclosed room with door. Big picture windows to look into the room but no entry by others to disturb a serious game.

The tables are custom made but very close to a Diamond. The absence of metal or plastic on the top of the table is welcome as are the moderately tight pockets. They seemed to play very slightly easier than the Diamonds I am accustomed to and were a little more forgiving about accepting balls hitting the back of the pocket with a lot of juice although a ball could still be popped out with deliberate effort. The house cues were well kept up. Not a slip on tip in sight and unbelievably, not a dent on the dozen or so shafts I ran a hand down checking house cues.

Quite a bit more about the place I liked including great prices and specials but to get to the only minor quibble, I would like to see the Diamond style lights over the tables. The lighting is fine but playing under Diamond lights in both of my "home" rooms has spoiled me. Other than that, this is what I would have built if I were building my dream business from scratch, no expenses spared. this is a very nice place. A lot of knowledge, thought, and planning went into this establishment. I predict the three month old business will be a huge success for many years to come and just wish it was a little closer to my home. A nine hour drive each way is a bit much but this would be one of my favorite hangouts if I lived within fifty miles of it. Easy access just north of Dallas.

I only made it to one Click's, on Skillman. Good people, a handful of nine footers, a room full of eight foot tables. Full bar and my one major knock on this place, lots of smoke. Brunswick tables and house cues in good condition. A nice neighborhood pool hall with easy access off of 635. I only made one trip by here so I don't know if the cigarette smoke is a usual issue and I am less tolerant of smoke than most having an allergic reaction to it.

Rounding out my pool tour of this little corner of Dallas, I went by Cue Tech and met Randy Goettlicher.(RandyG on AZB) I knew Randy was very knowledgeable and an all around good guy but I thought our philosophies and approaches to pool were enough different that he might not be the best instructor for me. Fortunately, he was in the middle of a one on one top level instruction session when I arrived. Almost the first words out of his mouth let me know that I had misread him a bit on the board and we were on the same page about pool. Even better, I was able to watch him teach for several hours. He used a workbook for structure and had the student diagram shots. Even more importantly, he explained things well and demonstrated technique when needed while asking questions and helping the student work through things for himself. As well as being a fine instructor, Randy is very enjoyable to just be around. Had my week not been more jammed than expected I would have tried to get together to buy him a meal and spend some time just talking with him about pool in general. Randy wasn't that far from the top anyway but he moved up several notches on my "good guy" list when I met him in person.

Cue Tech isn't huge with only four or five well spaced tables and a classroom instruction area but it is well laid out and set up where multiple instructors can conduct sessions at once. Some time there may well be in my future.

I'll close this by thanking Thomas again. A great host and a pleasure to meet. He is a BCA certified instructor also but we simply spent a pleasant evening together. Definitely someone I would be happy to spend more time with in Dallas or roll out the welcome mat for if he finds himself in my area. If I did OK with the borrowed camera, images to come in separate posts about Diamond and The Billiards Den in a few days. I'll close this long post with just a general comment about the people I met in Dallas. Great and friendly people one and all and not an unpleasant moment in my week's stay. I'm a small town kind of guy but I could get real fond of Dallas.

Hu
 
I cant believe you would actually say that the tables at the Billiard Dump, are anywhere close to a Diamond. The tables they have are some of the worst in Dallas. Horrible rolls, balls come straight back out of the pockets, etc............
 
not on the one I tested

sicbinature said:
I cant believe you would actually say that the tables at the Billiard Dump, are anywhere close to a Diamond. The tables they have are some of the worst in Dallas. Horrible rolls, balls come straight back out of the pockets, etc............

I play on nearly new Diamonds most of the time. I did test rail speed and cloth roll on the table I was on and a couple more at The Billiards Den. I'll stand by what I had to say about them. Perhaps it is more a case of the indian than the arrow. :D :D :D

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I promised several people a report after my week in Dallas. Hopefully this gives a little of the feel of each place I visited, some more than once. This was a great trip. I met the husband and wife team Larry and Marcy Rothberg that own the Billiards Den, Dean over at Diamond, RandyG at Cue Tech, and Thomas who posts on here as TD873 was a fantastic host and guide the night we got together.

Diamond Billiards is probably the best small pool hall this nonsmoker has ever been to. No smoke, high ceilings, great equipment, basically restricted to serious players. Can anyone ask for more? How about a raised viewing area, video cameras, and wide screen plasma to keep up with action! Webcasts are in the plans too. Rates are very reasonable, three dollars for thirty minutes unlimited play on coin operated nine foot Diamonds. Yes, you read that right, coin operated nine foot Diamonds with ball returns. Eight of those and a seven foot Diamond at the same rate. I had to try the seven footer, first seven foot table I have ever seen with pockets cut exactly the same as the nine foot tables. This isn't a bar table! Clean balls and excellent house cues. Very easy access just off of 635. Great place and action to be had.

The Billiards Den is much larger, 18,000 square feet with maybe 12-14 foot ceilings. It is very well laid out, and has about a dozen eight footers and a handful of bar tables and nine footers. They must have had some left over parts or something because they had a couple of odd tables also. A huge one with no pockets; they only give you three balls to play on this one but since you can't pocket them anyway that is plenty! Then they have another big table with little bitty pockets. They solve the problem there by giving you littler balls to play with. Somebody forgot to number a bunch of red ones but the table is still fun to play on. Add a full bar and food from sandwiches and appetizers to entrees and this is only the beginning. Dart area, table top games in the food area, a full custom cuemaking and repair shop, and a nine footer in a separate completely enclosed room with door. Big picture windows to look into the room but no entry by others to disturb a serious game.

The tables are custom made but very close to a Diamond. The absence of metal or plastic on the top of the table is welcome as are the moderately tight pockets. They seemed to play very slightly easier than the Diamonds I am accustomed to and were a little more forgiving about accepting balls hitting the back of the pocket with a lot of juice although a ball could still be popped out with deliberate effort. The house cues were well kept up. Not a slip on tip in sight and unbelievably, not a dent on the dozen or so shafts I ran a hand down checking house cues.

Quite a bit more about the place I liked including great prices and specials but to get to the only minor quibble, I would like to see the Diamond style lights over the tables. The lighting is fine but playing under Diamond lights in both of my "home" rooms has spoiled me. Other than that, this is what I would have built if I were building my dream business from scratch, no expenses spared. this is a very nice place. A lot of knowledge, thought, and planning went into this establishment. I predict the three month old business will be a huge success for many years to come and just wish it was a little closer to my home. A nine hour drive each way is a bit much but this would be one of my favorite hangouts if I lived within fifty miles of it. Easy access just north of Dallas.

I only made it to one Click's, on Skillman. Good people, a handful of nine footers, a room full of eight foot tables. Full bar and my one major knock on this place, lots of smoke. Brunswick tables and house cues in good condition. A nice neighborhood pool hall with easy access off of 635. I only made one trip by here so I don't know if the cigarette smoke is a usual issue and I am less tolerant of smoke than most having an allergic reaction to it.

Rounding out my pool tour of this little corner of Dallas, I went by Cue Tech and met Randy Goettlicher.(RandyG on AZB) I knew Randy was very knowledgeable and an all around good guy but I thought our philosophies and approaches to pool were enough different that he might not be the best instructor for me. Fortunately, he was in the middle of a one on one top level instruction session when I arrived. Almost the first words out of his mouth let me know that I had misread him a bit on the board and we were on the same page about pool. Even better, I was able to watch him teach for several hours. He used a workbook for structure and had the student diagram shots. Even more importantly, he explained things well and demonstrated technique when needed while asking questions and helping the student work through things for himself. As well as being a fine instructor, Randy is very enjoyable to just be around. Had my week not been more jammed than expected I would have tried to get together to buy him a meal and spend some time just talking with him about pool in general. Randy wasn't that far from the top anyway but he moved up several notches on my "good guy" list when I met him in person.

Cue Tech isn't huge with only four or five well spaced tables and a classroom instruction area but it is well laid out and set up where multiple instructors can conduct sessions at once. Some time there may well be in my future.

I'll close this by thanking Thomas again. A great host and a pleasure to meet. He is a BCA certified instructor also but we simply spent a pleasant evening together. Definitely someone I would be happy to spend more time with in Dallas or roll out the welcome mat for if he finds himself in my area. If I did OK with the borrowed camera, images to come in separate posts about Diamond and The Billiards Den in a few days. I'll close this long post with just a general comment about the people I met in Dallas. Great and friendly people one and all and not an unpleasant moment in my week's stay. I'm a small town kind of guy but I could get real fond of Dallas.

Hu

Nice reports, Hu. Was there any action at Diamond Billiards?
Thanks,

JoeyA
 
Joey, timing was bad for action

JoeyA said:
Nice reports, Hu. Was there any action at Diamond Billiards?
Thanks,

JoeyA

Joey,

Reportedly lots of action but I only made two fairly hurried passes through. The first time they were just starting the Tuesday night nine ball tournament and all the tables were taken for that. A small but very tough field. Someone who I was told was the Texas state open champion was in a match he wasn't picked to win. Favored matches are usually placed on a pair of tables under the viewing area and this one was off to the side. The field was small but folks in the Dallas area looking for seasoning could hardly beat this tournament. This was a very tough field playing in a twelve dollar entry weekly tournament! A great place for a talented youngster to cut his teeth.

My next pass through was in the middle of the day to test tables and take a few pictures. I was jammed for time on my last day there. There was only one person practicing and later what looked to be a couple playing in the thirty minutes or so that I was there. Several folks around just chilling and I'm sure I would have been accommodated had I wanted a game. If there wasn't anyone there for what I had in mind, action was only a phone call away.

Hu
 
Randy, lunch or supper on me . . .

randyg said:
Thanks Hu, no charge for the lessons:) What a great report....SPF=randyg

Lunch or supper on me if you have time while you are down here. I knew some of the shots you were teaching but I didn't know the "why" of shooting them. I shot them that way because it worked or someone showed me long ago. Knowing the theory why the shots worked lets me use similar techniques on other shots. "One object" was a statement I caught too. I wasn't completely asleep in that chair!

Any doubt in your mind that I will be spending some time working on momentum and pinch shots in my next few practice sessions? :D ;)

Hu
 
What an EXCELLENT trip report! Very well written and informative.

Thanks for bringing a little bit of Texas to us East Coasters! :)

JAM
 
ShootingArts said:
I play on nearly new Diamonds most of the time. I did test rail speed and cloth roll on the table I was on and a couple more at The Billiards Den. I'll stand by what I had to say about them. Perhaps it is more a case of the indian than the arrow. :D :D :D

Hu
How many good players did you see in there? Probably none. Talk to T.J. Davis, Robert Clark, Chen, Ben Tubbs, any champion in Dallas will tell you the same thing.
 
sicbinature said:
How many good players did you see in there? Probably none. Talk to T.J. Davis, Robert Clark, Chen, Ben Tubbs, any champion in Dallas will tell you the same thing.

Could it be that those players already have their own set of fish to play with?

Could the action be too tough for them?

Just wondering....Most of the time the top players avoid playing each other and like to go after the weaker members of the fraternity.

Most pool halls rarely have more than one or two really good players.
JoeyA
 
Thanks!

sicbinature said:
How many good players did you see in there? Probably none. Talk to T.J. Davis, Robert Clark, Chen, Ben Tubbs, any champion in Dallas will tell you the same thing.



Anybody that can't play on those tables isn't a champion, he is a trophy sized fish if he will bet anything! I was there around noon both trips. I did see RandyG with an outstanding player from the far east there and Royce that makes the OB-1 cues was playing on the table next to me. Seems every league is thrilled to play there and perhaps the leading tour in the country is trying to arrange dates now.

Thanks for trying to stir a little controversy because the easiest way to prove you are full of baloney is for people to pass by the Den and test the tables for themselves. For other readers that aren't in the area, the standard three rail kick with one tip of high english to test cushions and table roll dropped the cue ball into the pocket on three different tables with no adjustments. Further tests could find no issues whatsoever with the tables. I went to Dallas with the intention of reporting back on what I found to several people so I went to pains to test and examine things at The Billiard Den and Diamond Billiards.

It seems Sick By Nature has issues with a well ran place or just feels the need to troll.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I'll close this by thanking Thomas again. A great host and a pleasure to meet. He is a BCA certified instructor also but we simply spent a pleasant evening together. Definitely someone I would be happy to spend more time with in Dallas or roll out the welcome mat for if he finds himself in my area. Hu
Hu,

Nice write up! It will be a great resource for those that come to Dallas in the future. Thanks for taking the time.

It was a pleasure meeting you and I hope that I can make it your way in the future. You are a great asset to AZ and the pool community.

-td <-- glad you made it home safe as well
 
thanks TD!

Thanks! You are quite an asset to both communities yourself.

The welcome mat is out. I will give you the grand tour when you come this way and feed you the best seafood this side of anywhere.

Hu



td873 said:
Hu,

Nice write up! It will be a great resource for those that come to Dallas in the future. Thanks for taking the time.

It was a pleasure meeting you and I hope that I can make it your way in the future. You are a great asset to AZ and the pool community.

-td <-- glad you made it home safe as well
 
As Usual

Just as I suspected. I read this whole thread and not one mention of the FOOD. Don't any of these rooms have FOOD ?
Doug
( I know, I know................. let them eat cake )
 
The Den has it all

Smorgass Bored said:
Just as I suspected. I read this whole thread and not one mention of the FOOD. Don't any of these rooms have FOOD ?
Doug
( I know, I know................. let them eat cake )


Sorry Doug, the Billiard Den has a full restaurant in it. That was kind of lost in the middle of the review. If you order an entree, table time is included. Prices looked very reasonable and I planned to eat lunch there Friday but my schedule kept me from doing that. Rumor has it that RandyG eats lunch there fairly regularly so maybe he can give details.

I didn't notice food at the Clicks and Diamond serves prepackaged snacks but no more than you could easily carry in the back of a station wagon. You can bring your own bottle I believe but no alcohol served there either. Diamond seems to be first, last, and only a place to play pool and socialize with like minded people and of course that is a great thing. Hard to imagine anyone but serious pool players making Diamond a regular hangout. Nothing there to attract them and it is deliberate. The purest pool hall I have walked into in more years than I can remember.

There were actually about a half-dozen places to play pool within a few miles of my hotel but having The Billiard Den, Diamond Billiards, and Cue-tech so close to each other was plenty to make it a little corner of pool heaven. Clicks and the other places were purely lagniappe.

Hu
 
Hu, I wish I'd known you were going to be in the area. I would've tried to get over there to meet you.

Anyway, great write-up! I've yet to go to any of those places but you certainly make them all sound like a must see!

Next time you're over here let us know. The venues we take you to may not be the greatest but you'll meet some great folks!
 
I'll do that

I'll try to catch you next trip through. Great people make great places. My favorite pool hall for many years wasn't the fanciest or nicest in town, just an old place where I could find great people every trip. I like looking at places I haven't been. Years ago I had forty-five minutes or an hour to kill before flying out of Atlanta. The person taking me to the airport took me to an old run down pool hall that I would have sworn that I had been to before if it wasn't impossible. I was home when I walked through the door. Old pool halls, new ones, plain or fancy, I like them all.

Hu



chilli66 said:
Hu, I wish I'd known you were going to be in the area. I would've tried to get over there to meet you.

Anyway, great write-up! I've yet to go to any of those places but you certainly make them all sound like a must see!

Next time you're over here let us know. The venues we take you to may not be the greatest but you'll meet some great folks!
 
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