DIAMONDBACK Stuff

OMG. Look guys and gals. Im just an everyday poolplayer. Im not a seller of anything. I guess because I talk up the Predator 314 Im a seller for them too. I just thought Id share something that Ive tried and some others locally have tried. On my other posts I even mentioned about shoothebull.com site so I must run their company. I mustve hit a nerve out there or something. I dont know. Hey I even have an instroke case. Uh oh! Guess I shouldnt have said that.
No matter what tip I have,what shaft I have, what cue I have , I was just sharing it and asking about that and other stuff. Apparently there's a click of people who are either Sniper fans or Varney cue fans. Whatever.
I guarantee that Varney could bring his custom cue and take on me and my SCHON, even with an ELKMASTER tip I would wear his ASS out on the table.

I mean what about phenolic tips? I think it's the greatest thing since slice bread myself. My BK2 ( PREDATOR) is awesome. Its all in the technology.

I expect an apology.

Mick
 
cornerhooked said:
OMG. Look guys and gals. Im just an everyday poolplayer. Im not a seller of anything. I guess because I talk up the Predator 314 Im a seller for them too. I just thought Id share something that Ive tried and some others locally have tried. On my other posts I even mentioned about shoothebull.com site so I must run their company. I mustve hit a nerve out there or something. I dont know. Hey I even have an instroke case. Uh oh! Guess I shouldnt have said that.
No matter what tip I have,what shaft I have, what cue I have , I was just sharing it and asking about that and other stuff. Apparently there's a click of people who are either Sniper fans or Varney cue fans. Whatever.
I guarantee that Varney could bring his custom cue and take on me and my SCHON, even with an ELKMASTER tip I would wear his ASS out on the table.

I mean what about phenolic tips? I think it's the greatest thing since slice bread myself. My BK2 ( PREDATOR) is awesome. Its all in the technology.

I expect an apology.

Mick
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I'm sorry I implied you're from Diamondback.:)
 
Mick,

This place is kinda like goin to the pool hall. Most everybody is very nice but some are nicer than others. I think some of the really nice people here are Adam, Travis, Jeffrey, Billy, Tony, Howard,Nickey and many,many more.

Enjoy your and thanks for the tip.....hit em straight!!!
 
cornerhooked said:
I expect an apology.
Mick
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Well, I'm gonna jump in here. Though it MAY be a big misunderstanding, I came to the exact same conclusion. Whether you work for them directly or just have an interest in promoting the company for whatever reason, you managed to promote/highlight most of their product line in your post. You started by talking about a new tip which magically enabled you to jump w/draw (jump shot w/draw is a very difficult shot/stroke).

But then you mentioned a tip tool that's not even being sold yet (shameless promotion), some other products and a free trip - which is really just adding one's name to their opt-in mailing list.

As a community, most AZers do appreciate hearing about new products and/or product reviews (though ALOT of use go the the BCA and other Conventions so we know about this stuff long before the general public).

What we don't like is someone using the forums to shamelessly promote any given seller/reseller/retailer of some product/service. And whether it was intentional or not (I vote YES), that's what you did.

Therefore.....I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on an apology! :D
 
Thank you klopek. You seem like a decent fellow.

Predator has THE best technology out there, period the end. They spent ALOT of money and research and engineered the concept.

It just looks like to me the diamondback people are on the same track with their stuff. Heck, some of there stuff may be crappy for all I know.
Alot of reputable companies out there spent the time and money researching to make sure they came out with a good product. Even gotta give the SARDO credit. Despite Lou and Carmine being the SPITTING images of the guys in the suits who did the MACARENA video ... they enginered a good product.

I mean, letrs face it there are some crappy products out there.

For starters, that beads n billiards lady.
1. BEADS? and BILLIARDS? that's like TEETH and PENIS in the same sentence, they just dont belong.
2. They have a product out called Q KY.
OMG. Why dont they just come out and SAY its KY gel?
3. Something called blue b gone or something
blue b gone must be LATIN for " bleach"
4. ERGO tool? WHAT THE FRAK is that? ( yes I like Galactica) I must work for SCI FI channel now. lol
The ergo tool looks like they went to the Home Depot and bought an elbow joint from the pipe section and said HEY! Lets do something with THIS!
5. AND there's the PRIKSTER. What marketing genius came up with that.
A knock off of the Tip pic , Why not just call it the PECKERHEAD or the CIRCUMSIZER! You think she's a little ANTI-GUY, man hater or something.

Other crappy products:
Elkmaster tips
Meucci shafts

BUT MEUCCI cues by design are some of the most beautiful. Their shafts are just wet noodles.


QUALITY PEOPLE. It's about QUALITY.

BALLS = Brunswick Centennials by a nose over Super Pro Aramith

Cases= between Instroke and Talisman

Cues= Predator ( the technology)

Shafts= Ditto

Tips= undecided - Moori , maybe the new Diamondback and Hercules then Lepro

Break Cue = BK2

Cloth = Simonis 860

Chalk = masters

Jump Cue= Bunjee

Bridge head= THAT NEW one you see on POOL DAWG's website that's adjustable.

Thank you for all those who APPRECIATE fine things and good equipment for the love of the game of pool.

Mick
 
ALSO, can anyone tell me why people are putting carbon composite spacers between the tip and ferrule? What in the world is the benefit in that. I heard its just primarily on break cues.
 
VonRhett said:
Well, I'm gonna jump in here. Though it MAY be a big misunderstanding, I came to the exact same conclusion. Whether you work for them directly or just have an interest in promoting the company for whatever reason, you managed to promI{ of their product line in your post. You started by talking about a new tip which magically enabled you to jump w/draw (jump shot w/draw is a very difficult shot/stroke).

But then you mentioned a tip tool that's not even being sold yet (shameless promotion), some other products and a free trip - which is really just adding one's name to their opt-in mailing list.

As a community, most AZers do appreciate hearing about new products and/or product reviews (though ALOT of use go the the BCA and other Conventions so we know about this stuff long before the general public).

What we don't like is someone using the forums to shamelessly promote any given seller/reseller/retailer of some product/service. And whether it was intentional or not (I vote YES), that's what you did.

Therefore.....I can't speak for anyone else, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on an apology! :D
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tap, tap, tap.

Mick, there's a link in my apology, and again here.
 
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Yes thank you I saw it and went there. So you know,come to think of it, its must be the THINNER shaft that's getting all the Action on the jump besides the english. You know I didnt think about that before. Cuz last week when I went over to our usual gathering I tried jumping with a friends Jocoby cue. A little thicker shaft. Couldnt get the ball to leave the table. So when I sit here and think about it, it may not be the tip but rather the flex of the shaft that helps it. Getting that snap. AND length of stroke on the jump shot.

hmmm.
 
cornerhooked said:
Yes thank you I saw it and went there. So you know,come to think of it, its must be the THINNER shaft that's getting all the Action on the jump besides the english. You know I didnt think about that before. Cuz last week when I went over to our usual gathering I tried jumping with a friends Jocoby cue. A little thicker shaft. Couldnt get the ball to leave the table. So when I sit here and think about it, it may not be the tip but rather the flex of the shaft that helps it. Getting that snap. AND length of stroke on the jump shot.

hmmm.
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That's it exactly, glad you understand the point I was making by linking to another shameless plug of yours was that thinner shafts jump better. Must be why jump cues generally have 13.5-14mm shafts, because 12mm jumps better and no one wants that.:rolleyes:
 
I actually really like Meucci shafts, and while Elkmaster and LePro tips may be considered "shitty" to you, a lot of great players, including TJ davis only shoot with them. They just know how to pick a good one.

And as far as predators being the end all be all, they're not. They shoot good for some folks, but I prefer just a regular shaft like steven klein makes. No more, no less. Furthermore, if you knew the weak tenon and quarter oz of glue that held the oh so important soft ferrule on, you'd be very hesitant to ever replace a ferrule or do anything but tip work on a predator shaft.

Now, I'm not trying to flame you here, and if you shoot great with a predator and the diamondback tips, more power to you. Just don't go ragging on Meucci or other products because you feel you have the best equipment in the game. I know guys that will mop the floor with you on the table with nothing but a cracked stick off the wall that has a semi decent tip while shooting *AND* breaking one handed.
 
cornerhooked said:
Thank you klopek. You seem like a decent fellow.

Predator has THE best technology out there, period the end. They spent ALOT of money and research and engineered the concept.

It just looks like to me the diamondback people are on the same track with their stuff. Heck, some of there stuff may be crappy for all I know.
Alot of reputable companies out there spent the time and money researching to make sure they came out with a good product. Even gotta give the SARDO credit. Despite Lou and Carmine being the SPITTING images of the guys in the suits who did the MACARENA video ... they enginered a good product.

I mean, letrs face it there are some crappy products out there.

For starters, that beads n billiards lady.
1. BEADS? and BILLIARDS? that's like TEETH and PENIS in the same sentence, they just dont belong.
2. They have a product out called Q KY.
OMG. Why dont they just come out and SAY its KY gel?
3. Something called blue b gone or something
blue b gone must be LATIN for " bleach"
4. ERGO tool? WHAT THE FRAK is that? ( yes I like Galactica) I must work for SCI FI channel now. lol
The ergo tool looks like they went to the Home Depot and bought an elbow joint from the pipe section and said HEY! Lets do something with THIS!
5. AND there's the PRIKSTER. What marketing genius came up with that.
A knock off of the Tip pic , Why not just call it the PECKERHEAD or the CIRCUMSIZER! You think she's a little ANTI-GUY, man hater or something.

Other crappy products:
Elkmaster tips
Meucci shafts

BUT MEUCCI cues by design are some of the most beautiful. Their shafts are just wet noodles.


QUALITY PEOPLE. It's about QUALITY.

BALLS = Brunswick Centennials by a nose over Super Pro Aramith

Cases= between Instroke and Talisman

Cues= Predator ( the technology)

Shafts= Ditto

Tips= undecided - Moori , maybe the new Diamondback and Hercules then Lepro

Break Cue = BK2

Cloth = Simonis 860

Chalk = masters

Jump Cue= Bunjee

Bridge head= THAT NEW one you see on POOL DAWG's website that's adjustable.

Thank you for all those who APPRECIATE fine things and good equipment for the love of the game of pool.

Mick
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If you really think predator makes the best cues hands down, you're *sorely* mistaken. Heck, you had to point out a good bridge head? A moosehead or leather bridge is just fine. Do you know how many people are going to laugh at you for saying "That new one you see on pooldawg's website". We have some real oldschool players on these forums and some great guys. Meucci's are whippy noodles? WTF Is a predator Z? Try shooting with a quality cuemaker's cue (NOT PRODUCTION) and you'll notice a great improvement and feel in the cue.

As a wise man once said though, it's not the stick, it's the sticker. Learn how to play with a dufferin one piece house cue and then go by all your snazzy equipment so you can look cute in the bar.
 
I'm not even going to waste my time or effort with this uneducated troll.:rolleyes: I'm simply laughing too hard at his comments. Look out Royce, Pred has the "technology"....sorry Jack & Dan, your cases didn't even make the list. "Its about quality".:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Maybe he can share some more of his league buddies handicaps with us...:D
 
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If you really think predator makes the best cues hands down, you're *sorely* mistaken

You are right. I was wrong in saying that production things are the end all beat all. I have a Dufferin Sneaky pete. And yes , each person is different in wanting a cue that has a good feel for just them.
Im sure there alot of good guys in these forums, I have already met a few and some that are not so nice. But Im not gonna mention the tip anymore or the bridge I saw on pooldawg. I was really trying to share and learn info and get feedback, that's all. I see people mentioning links and hyping up stuff all the time.

Y'know, the main reason I come to this forum is to learn things. I guess mentioning things and products out there is taboo. I dont work for anyone or sell billiard stuff, I sell homes. Im in real estate. Closed on a 850K home last week. But back to another issue.

Im came oh so close to getting a Predator Z.

But IMHO and knoweldge of the game based on what I have come to know,
there's a reason and a science behind why over 60% of pros are using a Predator shaft. Consistency. What makes it consistent? Its the EVEN schock distribution from impact of the tip to the joint. Which as you know means less deflection (throw).

It's been proven that Meucci shafts are the most flexible at it's inception. But regular wood shafts: the natural grains dictate the shock distribution. There's a week side, strong side and two equal sides. Hence the mark ( red or black dot) that marks the week side. Have it facing upward. Even Bob himself knows this and why he's been spending so much time trying to defend it with his myth destroyer. Its not a myth its a fact. Period. I've seen so many ( about 10 ) people that once shot with a Meucci ( amatuers) and they couldnt understand WHY they shot inconsistent.
Because the MORE FLEX you have in a shaft, there's more BEND on impact.
And unless an EXPERIENCED player who is accustomed to that FLEX, makes that adjustment and WANTS that in his or her game, the inexperienced average Joe or Joanne isnt aware of that. So the Joe or Joanne had better hit DEAD CENTER most of the time or they will get inadvertant english (throw) on the cue ball. And it's most noticable on lenght-of-table shots. Every time we got them to stop and change cues in the middle of a match ( different people mind u over a 4 year period) their game picked up DRAMATICALLY.
Meucci makes stunningly beautiful cues. probably the most beautiful Ive seen. Stick ANY other shaft on it that's not as flexible, then they are golden. Advanced players who love the extreme FLEX have that as part of their game. There's one guy here that has a Meucci, thinks he's God's gift to pool. He's such a good player, BUT is SO inconsistent. He gets that nasty english on the ball but I see him miss so many simple shots when running out. Enough of that.

Now I agree , there's nothing like a custom cue. The touch , the feel of cotton. I once had a Parrot Cue. Wood to wood joint, I could FEEL every shot. All I know is there's a reason why so many the big dawgs around here have a predator shaft. Whether its 314 or Z.

And I never chastised anyone for liking a certain thing. Varney started on me about the Sniper. I just gave him my review of the sniper based on my personal experience. For him to make a blanket statement that my cue guy did it wrong, ensinuating the old guy is an idiot and installs tips incorrectly is rather harsh. I mean has anyone else out there had problems with a Sniper? maybe so , maybe not.


So where are the decent players out there that want to engage in a deep discussion about the game, it's equipment, and give so many different honest opinions?

Please dont pre-judge me as I have not and did not pre-judge anyone in this room. We all have our opinions. Let's just keep it nice.

Mick
 
Jack & Dan, your cases didn't even make the list. "Its about quality

Jack Justis cases I think ARE THE BEST. I used to have one. Sold it for almost what I paid for it. His craftmanship is indeed far superior to anything out there. As far as production ( mass cookie cutter) Instroke has the best case INHO. All the leather ones though.
 
cornerhooked said:
Jack Justis cases I think ARE THE BEST. I used to have one. Sold it for almost what I paid for it. His craftmanship is indeed far superior to anything out there. As far as production ( mass cookie cutter) Instroke has the best case INHO. All the leather ones though.
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You see, this is why people are jumping ugly. If you would include those "IMO's" more often noone would care. It's when people make definitive claims that just aren't conclusive.

Hence Predator. Some people love them but I would rather play with a hundred Meucci's than one Predator. IMO
 
Thank you koop. You seem like a decent fellow.

Yes, you're right. Not used to being in forums, I just learned ther IMO and IMHO.

Thats all they are is my opinions. But there's a background and research into why I came to my conclusions.

i will try to write the way Im talking and thinking. Im sorry to all of those I offended. It was NOT my intention to do that.

Im actually gonna be starting a thread about joints.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I brought up Reyes because honestly, I don't see many professional players making as much a fuss over products like these as intermediate players do. I rarely hear a player say, "OMG, you have to get this tip!" and if they really like a product (such as a break or jump cue), they'll say just that.
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I read an article on the Glass City Open when Johnny Archer won it last year. Johnny said he was shooting with Moori's for a while and decided to go back to a Triangle before the tournament. He said he felt he shot better partly because of the tip change.

Just figured that I would throw that out there. The world beaters feel they get different action from different tips as well.

As for me, I'm a sniper guy, but if my local pro shop gets some of these diamondback tips in I may give them a try.
 
RSB-Refugee said:
Me too. I am also wondering if John Schmidt is getting endorsement $$$ from Diamondback. Look at the website, it is a congrats to JS type thing, but the photo is trying to insinuate that John uses Diamondback tips, IMO.

Tracy
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When I spoke to John...he was indeed contacting his attorney.;)
That is definately not a "congrats to JS"......more along the lines of trying to cash in on his current fame. Do you have any idea how much Allie would charge to let you use her pic like that on a site?:eek:
JS should no doubt be equally compensated.
 
Varney Cues said:
JS should no doubt be equally compensated.
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I agree 100%. He just won the Open and he is photogenic. I hope he gets a lot more than what he would have charged, had they been up front with him.

Tracy
 
Varney Cues said:
When I spoke to John...he was indeed contacting his attorney.;)
That is definately not a "congrats to JS"......more along the lines of trying to cash in on his current fame. Do you have any idea how much Allie would charge to let you use her pic like that on a site?:eek:
JS should no doubt be equally compensated.
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Whuddayawannabet the JS ad is pulled off the site by this evening, no trace?.:D
 
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