DigiBall Passaround Reviews

slide13

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Okay, apologies to anyone who was waiting for me to start this, had intentions of getting it done middle of last week and then work and illness got the better of me.

Please post all passaround reviews in this thread, thanks!



Before sending the DigiBall out to the first passaround participant I was able to take it out to my local pool hall and give it a quick demo myself and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

First, the overall quality of the DigiBall and associated accessories is great! It's a real Aramith cue ball which just helps instill confidence that it's going to play and perform correctly. The charging base is slick and works great. App was super easy to find in the app store, get downloaded, and getting it connected to the DigiBall and up and running was basically automatic. Really fantastic job from a usability perspective, it felt intuitive to use the whole time.

Now, onto what the DigiBall actually does.....and what it does is really very cool! I was involved in trying out the DigiCue too and that was a cool device for sure, but many players have unique little movements in their stroke I've never wanted to limit my natural stroke too much by trying to get it to conform into a specific type of thing. I've always been naturally much more interested with the result of the stroke. And that is what DigiBall delivers!

This is the first time ever I've been able to actually get feedback about where I'm contacting the cue ball and to be able to compare that to my intent was immediately helpful. I quickly learned I did not always strike the cue ball where I thought it was. Often I was closer to center than I would have guessed and sometimes I was putting in a little bottom when I wasn't explicitly intending to. I spent some time just working on my stroke and tip position and using the DigiBall for feedback and guidance of how to adjust. I found that really help.

Then I wanted to use the DigiBall to analyze how spin was effecting my getting shape for certain shots. I setup a couple drills with repeatable ball positions where I was having to 3-4 rails to get shape for my net shot and setup some blockers to make it, for me, a rather difficult positional shot. Then I started shooting it and comparing my results with how I hit it and that too was incredibly informative. The best positions were acheived in a way that wasn't exactly intuitive to me but by making small adjustments and seeing how well I hit my intended spot on the DigiBall I was able to dial in on the best way to hit the shot and really learned quite a bit from this.

It's super interesting to see how side vs top vs follow effects a shot that involves 3-4 rails for shape. I only had one short afternoon session with the DigiBall but it was enough to know that this is going to be a super useful training tool and one I'm excited to spend some more time with. I really think this will become a standard training tool for any type of pool instructor, being able to see exactly where you hit the ball was super informative.

The only minor hiccup is that, as stated in the product documentation, sometimes it can confuse top vs bottom. Thankfully the app has a feature where you can quickly flip/flop the shot around so if it shows top right and you know you hit low right, the touch of a bottom will correct the top vs bottom. I only had this happen to me once or twice the whole time. Another player I had try it did have it happen more often but it was all on the same type of shot he was drilling on with it.


Overall, I give this a solid A+!! Very impressed, worked great, and was super informative. I definitely want one.


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The chalk was my target position for this shot:
qZMvkgT.jpeg


And some of the DigiBall readouts of fairly succesful attempts

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BqwBHmE.jpeg


KdLJUeU.png
 

Patrick Johnson

Fish of the Day
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The miscue limit is generally known to be halfway from the CB's center to its edge (the shaded area below). What's the purpose of the extra line (outside the miscue limit) on the ball?

pj
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slide13

AzB Silver Member
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The miscue limit is generally known to be halfway from the CB's center to its edge (the shaded area below). What's the purpose of the extra line (outside the miscue limit) on the ball?

pj
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I can't speak for @nataddrho but I would guess just so that shots like that one are still within the labelled area and not falling out in a blank zone. That shot definitely felt like it was real close to the limit of what I could do without miscuing, it took me a couple tries to get one that extreme, I think because my mind/body naturally wants to correct a little towards center to avoid a miscue. But that one ended up being a really good shot, which is why I grabbed the screenshot of it.
 

nataddrho

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I can't speak for @nataddrho but I would guess just so that shots like that one are still within the labelled area and not falling out in a blank zone. That shot definitely felt like it was real close to the limit of what I could do without miscuing, it took me a couple tries to get one that extreme, I think because my mind/body naturally wants to correct a little towards center to avoid a miscue. But that one ended up being a really good shot, which is why I grabbed the screenshot of it.
That is correct. The theoretical miscue limit is around 55%, not 50%. The grid extends to 60%.
 

fastone371

Certifiable
Silver Member
I am currently in the process of testing it right now, I love this thing, when can I buy one??
I also noticed that the majority of thr time that I was not hitting the cue ball where I was intending too, most of the time I was around 1/2 of a tip in various directions off. When I started focusing more on where I hit the cue things started to fall in line. There is a lot to learn with the Digiball between the cue ball reaction and where you actually hit the ball.
 

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
Silver Member
I am currently in the process of testing it right now, I love this thing, when can I buy one??
I also noticed that the majority of thr time that I was not hitting the cue ball where I was intending too, most of the time I was around 1/2 of a tip in various directions off. When I started focusing more on where I hit the cue things started to fall in line. There is a lot to learn with the Digiball between the cue ball reaction and where you actually hit the ball.


I found this with simpler testing years ago. Even advanced players often don't make contact where they intend to. After a half dozen or so medium difficulty shots, the same one repeated, I told them the object was to see where they hit the cue ball. Then the better players tightened up and hit the cue ball where intended. Not to derail this thread but two bangers hit the cue ball exactly where intended every time. I asked what they looked at last. "Cue ball."

Seems like a fun toy, I'll think about one. Need more information about them before making any decisions.

Hu
 

bbb

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Silver Member
Okay, apologies to anyone who was waiting for me to start this, had intentions of getting it done middle of last week and then work and illness got the better of me.

Please post all passaround reviews in this thread, thanks!



Before sending the DigiBall out to the first passaround participant I was able to take it out to my local pool hall and give it a quick demo myself and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

First, the overall quality of the DigiBall and associated accessories is great! It's a real Aramith cue ball which just helps instill confidence that it's going to play and perform correctly. The charging base is slick and works great. App was super easy to find in the app store, get downloaded, and getting it connected to the DigiBall and up and running was basically automatic. Really fantastic job from a usability perspective, it felt intuitive to use the whole time.

Now, onto what the DigiBall actually does.....and what it does is really very cool! I was involved in trying out the DigiCue too and that was a cool device for sure, but many players have unique little movements in their stroke I've never wanted to limit my natural stroke too much by trying to get it to conform into a specific type of thing. I've always been naturally much more interested with the result of the stroke. And that is what DigiBall delivers!

This is the first time ever I've been able to actually get feedback about where I'm contacting the cue ball and to be able to compare that to my intent was immediately helpful. I quickly learned I did not always strike the cue ball where I thought it was. Often I was closer to center than I would have guessed and sometimes I was putting in a little bottom when I wasn't explicitly intending to. I spent some time just working on my stroke and tip position and using the DigiBall for feedback and guidance of how to adjust. I found that really help.

Then I wanted to use the DigiBall to analyze how spin was effecting my getting shape for certain shots. I setup a couple drills with repeatable ball positions where I was having to 3-4 rails to get shape for my net shot and setup some blockers to make it, for me, a rather difficult positional shot. Then I started shooting it and comparing my results with how I hit it and that too was incredibly informative. The best positions were acheived in a way that wasn't exactly intuitive to me but by making small adjustments and seeing how well I hit my intended spot on the DigiBall I was able to dial in on the best way to hit the shot and really learned quite a bit from this.

It's super interesting to see how side vs top vs follow effects a shot that involves 3-4 rails for shape. I only had one short afternoon session with the DigiBall but it was enough to know that this is going to be a super useful training tool and one I'm excited to spend some more time with. I really think this will become a standard training tool for any type of pool instructor, being able to see exactly where you hit the ball was super informative.

The only minor hiccup is that, as stated in the product documentation, sometimes it can confuse top vs bottom. Thankfully the app has a feature where you can quickly flip/flop the shot around so if it shows top right and you know you hit low right, the touch of a bottom will correct the top vs bottom. I only had this happen to me once or twice the whole time. Another player I had try it did have it happen more often but it was all on the same type of shot he was drilling on with it.


Overall, I give this a solid A+!! Very impressed, worked great, and was super informative. I definitely want one.


dmreXQD.jpeg



The chalk was my target position for this shot:
qZMvkgT.jpeg


And some of the DigiBall readouts of fairly succesful attempts

BEpz0D0.png


BqwBHmE.jpeg


KdLJUeU.png
The pics of the digiball feedback info
what did you learn from that ?
and how did it help you change anything to do better?
 

Bavafongoul

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
It seems like this is a retrospective display of what occurred on a shot just completed, as well as compiling
historical data for categorization, comparison, etc. So if that is correct, rather than stopping to go look at
the information, which becomes a back & forth exercise, is the information able to be displayed on big screen
compatible Hi Def TV so you can just look up and glance at the info while in your shooting stance or still down
in shooting position? This way you can repeat the same shot over and over see what changes and why. Being
able to quickly see the information vs. stopping to go retrieve it seems like a question of informational display.
 

Mensabum

Well-known member
Okay, apologies to anyone who was waiting for me to start this, had intentions of getting it done middle of last week and then work and illness got the better of me.

Please post all passaround reviews in this thread, thanks!



Before sending the DigiBall out to the first passaround participant I was able to take it out to my local pool hall and give it a quick demo myself and wanted to share my initial thoughts.

First, the overall quality of the DigiBall and associated accessories is great! It's a real Aramith cue ball which just helps instill confidence that it's going to play and perform correctly. The charging base is slick and works great. App was super easy to find in the app store, get downloaded, and getting it connected to the DigiBall and up and running was basically automatic. Really fantastic job from a usability perspective, it felt intuitive to use the whole time.

Now, onto what the DigiBall actually does.....and what it does is really very cool! I was involved in trying out the DigiCue too and that was a cool device for sure, but many players have unique little movements in their stroke I've never wanted to limit my natural stroke too much by trying to get it to conform into a specific type of thing. I've always been naturally much more interested with the result of the stroke. And that is what DigiBall delivers!

This is the first time ever I've been able to actually get feedback about where I'm contacting the cue ball and to be able to compare that to my intent was immediately helpful. I quickly learned I did not always strike the cue ball where I thought it was. Often I was closer to center than I would have guessed and sometimes I was putting in a little bottom when I wasn't explicitly intending to. I spent some time just working on my stroke and tip position and using the DigiBall for feedback and guidance of how to adjust. I found that really help.

Then I wanted to use the DigiBall to analyze how spin was effecting my getting shape for certain shots. I setup a couple drills with repeatable ball positions where I was having to 3-4 rails to get shape for my net shot and setup some blockers to make it, for me, a rather difficult positional shot. Then I started shooting it and comparing my results with how I hit it and that too was incredibly informative. The best positions were acheived in a way that wasn't exactly intuitive to me but by making small adjustments and seeing how well I hit my intended spot on the DigiBall I was able to dial in on the best way to hit the shot and really learned quite a bit from this.

It's super interesting to see how side vs top vs follow effects a shot that involves 3-4 rails for shape. I only had one short afternoon session with the DigiBall but it was enough to know that this is going to be a super useful training tool and one I'm excited to spend some more time with. I really think this will become a standard training tool for any type of pool instructor, being able to see exactly where you hit the ball was super informative.

The only minor hiccup is that, as stated in the product documentation, sometimes it can confuse top vs bottom. Thankfully the app has a feature where you can quickly flip/flop the shot around so if it shows top right and you know you hit low right, the touch of a bottom will correct the top vs bottom. I only had this happen to me once or twice the whole time. Another player I had try it did have it happen more often but it was all on the same type of shot he was drilling on with it.


Overall, I give this a solid A+!! Very impressed, worked great, and was super informative. I definitely want one.


dmreXQD.jpeg



The chalk was my target position for this shot:
qZMvkgT.jpeg


And some of the DigiBall readouts of fairly succesful attempts

BEpz0D0.png


BqwBHmE.jpeg


KdLJUeU.png
That's a good looking kit!! Sharp and concise. Nice lines.
 

nataddrho

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
It seems like this is a retrospective display of what occurred on a shot just completed, as well as compiling
historical data for categorization, comparison, etc. So if that is correct, rather than stopping to go look at
the information, which becomes a back & forth exercise, is the information able to be displayed on big screen
compatible Hi Def TV so you can just look up and glance at the info while in your shooting stance or still down
in shooting position? This way you can repeat the same shot over and over see what changes and why. Being
able to quickly see the information vs. stopping to go retrieve it seems like a question of informational display.
Yes. I made a companion device called DigiCast TV Kit which displays information on any HDMI device at 1080p resolution. Her is a link: https://sites.google.com/view/nrllc/pages/digicast

Here is a video of some friends using it with a table TV (please excuse the tournament announcements going on):

Alternatively you can Air Play your phone to a smart TV for a similar effect, but that ties up your phone and requires a WiFi connection. I prefer being able to see the ball picture from across the room on a big screen. Personally I don’t really look at the four numbers in the corners of the screen much.
 
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fastone371

Certifiable
Silver Member
I found this with simpler testing years ago. Even advanced players often don't make contact where they intend to. After a half dozen or so medium difficulty shots, the same one repeated, I told them the object was to see where they hit the cue ball. Then the better players tightened up and hit the cue ball where intended. Not to derail this thread but two bangers hit the cue ball exactly where intended every time. I asked what they looked at last. "Cue ball."

Seems like a fun toy, I'll think about one. Need more information about them before making any decisions.

Hu
My next question would be did they make the shot when they looked at the cue ball last? I know that when I start to rush or not really pay attention is when shooting my eye pattern goes to crap, I have no pause on the backstroke, and I start missing my shots. But I move my eye focus from the CB to the OB on my backstroke, that pause is required for me to lock my eyes onto my target. I have tried looking at CB last, especially on shots where tip position is critical like when frozen on the rail, I am way more likely to miss looking at CB last.
 

slide13

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
My next question would be did they make the shot when they looked at the cue ball last? I know that when I start to rush or not really pay attention is when shooting my eye pattern goes to crap, I have no pause on the backstroke, and I start missing my shots. But I move my eye focus from the CB to the OB on my backstroke, that pause is required for me to lock my eyes onto my target. I have tried looking at CB last, especially on shots where tip position is critical like when frozen on the rail, I am way more likely to miss looking at CB last.

I agree with this! I can definitely hit the spot on the CB more consistently when looking at it...but I definitely make more shots looking at OB last during the shot.
 

ShootingArts

Smorg is giving St Peter the 7!
Silver Member
My next question would be did they make the shot when they looked at the cue ball last? I know that when I start to rush or not really pay attention is when shooting my eye pattern goes to crap, I have no pause on the backstroke, and I start missing my shots. But I move my eye focus from the CB to the OB on my backstroke, that pause is required for me to lock my eyes onto my target. I have tried looking at CB last, especially on shots where tip position is critical like when frozen on the rail, I am way more likely to miss looking at CB last.

They couldn't make a ball in the ocean anyway! The only way they knew to play was cue ball last. However, when I was playing sixty or eighty hours a week I tried cue ball last for three weeks. I was playing just as well as object ball last at the end of three weeks. I went back to object ball last just because it was what I had been doing for years. Cue ball last makes sense because you start the shot off right. Object ball last makes sense if you hit the cue ball where you plan to. Trade offs to both, advantages to both.

Once they get this digiball thing working maybe they can combine it with a camera to watch eye patterns and stroke.

Hu
 

nataddrho

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
They couldn't make a ball in the ocean anyway! The only way they knew to play was cue ball last. However, when I was playing sixty or eighty hours a week I tried cue ball last for three weeks. I was playing just as well as object ball last at the end of three weeks. I went back to object ball last just because it was what I had been doing for years. Cue ball last makes sense because you start the shot off right. Object ball last makes sense if you hit the cue ball where you plan to. Trade offs to both, advantages to both.

Once they get this digiball thing working maybe they can combine it with a camera to watch eye patterns and stroke.

Hu
I’ve used the DigiBall for a while now and I have definitely been able to develop the skill of thinking about the tip position while standing, and then hitting that exact spot on the CB while looking at OB last. It is a layer of “feel” that can be practiced like anything else. The DigiBall closes the loop on the feedback cycle needed to do this.

For example I can say “1:45 English with half a tip from center” and come within :15 every time.
 
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Mensabum

Well-known member
Wow!!!
Yes. I made a companion device called DigiCast TV Kit which displays information on any HDMI device at 1080p resolution. Her is a link: https://sites.google.com/view/nrllc/pages/digicast

Here is a video of some friends using it with a table TV (please excuse the tournament announcements going on):

Alternatively you can Air Play your phone to a smart TV for a similar effect, but that ties up your phone and requires a WiFi connection. I prefer being able to see the ball picture from across the room on a big screen. Personally I don’t really look at the four numbers in the corners of the screen much.
 

Mensabum

Well-known member
They couldn't make a ball in the ocean anyway! The only way they knew to play was cue ball last. However, when I was playing sixty or eighty hours a week I tried cue ball last for three weeks. I was playing just as well as object ball last at the end of three weeks. I went back to object ball last just because it was what I had been doing for years. Cue ball last makes sense because you start the shot off right. Object ball last makes sense if you hit the cue ball where you plan to. Trade offs to both, advantages to both.

Once they get this digiball thing working maybe they can combine it with a camera to watch eye patterns and stroke.

Hu
You could tell by the numbers why he missed that shot!! Too cool. Real time has it's advantages!!!
 
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