Digicue

I know I'm having a similar problem. At the end of my stroke my tip finishes tip down (on the bed of the table) inline with the stroke. My backhand is on my chest. This translates to verticle movement after contact with the cueball. I've had other less skilled players shoot the shot with no vibration.

I'm still playing around with it though.

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I want to say how exceptional the support is on the Digicue as well as all OB products. Even though I don't play with OB cues or shafts, I have had questions and Shane is always quick and professional in his replies. In my opinion, OB is amongst the best if not the very best in the business. I appreciate that.

I never considered the up and down as a flaw, this makes sense as I have very little to no elbow drop. Perhaps this is my issue? I hope so.

Digicue has pointed out flaws in my stroke that I hope to fix, it's hard to change but I'm planning to work hard at it to get me to the next level. I may even switch over to OB product one day, not sure I could handle the switch to low deflection as I've not found the right LD cue for me yet. Old school player here.

I appreciate your reply both here and email Shane, most appreciated.
 
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mooseman said:
I know I'm having a similar problem. At the end of my stroke my tip finishes tip down (on the bed of the table) inline with the stroke. My backhand is on my chest. This translates to verticle movement after contact with the cueball. I've had other less skilled players shoot the shot with no vibration.

I'm still playing around with it though.

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Hopefully digicue doesn't register that as a flaw, because it's not.

I'd love to see some video-recorded (slo-mo?) examples of strokes that either do or do not result in buzz. I haven't gotten one yet because I'm still a little bit skeptical about whether it measures genuine stroke flaws.
 
MOJOE said:
I want to say how exceptional the support is on the Digicue as well as all OB products. Even though I don't play with OB cues or shafts, I have had questions and Shane is always quick and professional in his replies. In my opinion, OB is amongst the best if not the very best in the business. I appreciate that.

I never considered the up and down as a flaw, this makes sense as I have very little to no elbow drop. Perhaps this is my issue? I hope so.

Digicue has pointed out flaws in my stroke that I hope to fix, it's hard to change but I'm planning to work hard at it to get me to the next level. I may even switch over to OB product one day, not sure I could handle the switch to low deflection as I've not found the right LD cue for me yet. Old school player here.

I appreciate your reply both here and email Shane, most appreciated.
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MOJOE,

Additionally, you may benefit from studying the strokes of these guys:

Joe Tucker: https://youtu.be/Xvx4hO5iPkA?t=40
Niels Feijen: https://youtu.be/lAF-g67_BTg?t=986
Thorsten Hohmann: https://youtu.be/LnD0O3fw6Ls
Steve Davis: https://youtu.be/RIEwKXaujH0?t=39
Max Eberle: https://youtu.be/DlD06ldRVy4?t=30

I suspect you may be more upright while stroking. Try bringing your chin to the cue. Stay down on your shot and continue looking at the CB-OB contact point long after both the CB-OB have left your field of vision. If you move your head to watch either the CB or OB after the collision, the DigiCue will vibrate as it is designed to do. Let the DigiCue teach you how to hyper-focus on the contact point, and your stroke will benefit from it. Not the other way around :)

V/r,

Nate
 
I've been using my DigiCue for couple weeks so far and I like it very much. I also own QMD, and I must tell, in my opinion DigiCue is much more useful. Simple immediate yea/nay feedback is all I need.

It was very difficult to me to keep DigiCue from vibrating on a first day of usage, but now it gets better and better. I think one of the key benefits is that it helps me to concentrate on quality of the stroke, rather than pocketing a ball.

Two types of shots that are most challenging to me to keep DigiCue silent:

1. Elevated shots
2. Medium/hard speed draw stroke with open bridge. I get the required cue ball action, etc. I think the shaft comes up a bit from the bridge after the impact, which causes vibration. I get much less frequent vibrations with closed bridge.
 
Isaac said:
Two types of shots that are most challenging to me to keep DigiCue silent:

1. Elevated shots
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The DigiCue might always vibrate for extremely elevated shots. There is an algorithm that detects whether an actual billiard ball was struck, compared to impacts caused by chalking, tapping, banging the cue by accident, etc. From what I remember part of making the algorithm robust was trading off incident elevation angle tolerance. I figured that you would rather not have false triggers happen, so I learned more towards that. I'll have to check to the code.

Isaac said:
2. Medium/hard speed draw stroke with open bridge. I get the required cue ball action, etc. I think the shaft comes up a bit from the bridge after the impact, which causes vibration. I get much less frequent vibrations with closed bridge.
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Yes. A closed bridge will help lock the cue after contact. I tend to always use an open bridge for all shots, and I have success with the DigiCue on power draw shots with a longer backstroke and then locking my stroking hand into my chest like a snooker player. I can do it if I concentrate but it is still challenging, and it is still teaching me! I still get buzzed at sometimes but my confidence on those shots has shot up mainly due to accuracy improvements from staying down.

Nate
 
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Nate - addressing mooseman's post above, digicue shouldn't buzz just for that vertical movement that comes from a pendulum stroke, should it?
 
BRussell said:
Nate - addressing mooseman's post above, digicue shouldn't buzz just for that vertical movement that comes from a pendulum stroke, should it?
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You have about 1/4 of a second after impact to get the cue to be still vertically. Any longer and the DigiCue will think you are standing up during your stroke and it will vibrate.

From all of the data I took of players strokes, 1/4 second seems to be the transition point between the settling of the mass of your cue-arm-muscular system and actual muscular movement that your brain is controlling. If you use a pendulum stroke with a very slow follow through then you might get a buzz on level 2 or 3. But usually the follow through time is not that long. I tried to optimize both the response of abberant body motion and the suppression of cue vibrations and arm mass deceleration as scientifically as possible.
 
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First I am a big OB fan. I shoot with the OB rift, OB 127, and OB classic plus.

I did get the digicue. When I weight it comes to 1.0 ounces (not 0.8 ounces). That has discouraged me from using/trying it. You're changing not only the wight of your cue, but maybe more importantly the forward/backend balance of the cue.

This again discourages me from really wanting to use it. I am thinking if I were to use it, I would want to use it all the time -- not just in practice.

Anyone else with thoughts about this?
 
cluelesscuer said:
First I am a big OB fan. I shoot with the OB rift, OB 127, and OB classic plus.

I did get the digicue. When I weight it comes to 1.0 ounces (not 0.8 ounces). That has discouraged me from using/trying it. You're changing not only the wight of your cue, but maybe more importantly the forward/backend balance of the cue.

This again discourages me from really wanting to use it. I am thinking if I were to use it, I would want to use it all the time -- not just in practice.

Anyone else with thoughts about this?
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Change/remove the weight bolt, if any?
 
MOJOE said:
I want to say how exceptional the support is on the Digicue as well as all OB products. Even though I don't play with OB cues or shafts, I have had questions and Shane is always quick and professional in his replies. In my opinion, OB is amongst the best if not the very best in the business. I appreciate that.

I never considered the up and down as a flaw, this makes sense as I have very little to no elbow drop. Perhaps this is my issue? I hope so.

Digicue has pointed out flaws in my stroke that I hope to fix, it's hard to change but I'm planning to work hard at it to get me to the next level. I may even switch over to OB product one day, not sure I could handle the switch to low deflection as I've not found the right LD cue for me yet. Old school player here.

I appreciate your reply both here and email Shane, most appreciated.
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You are very welcome MOJOE.
 
Isaac said:
I've been using my DigiCue for couple weeks so far and I like it very much. I also own QMD, and I must tell, in my opinion DigiCue is much more useful. Simple immediate yea/nay feedback is all I need.

It was very difficult to me to keep DigiCue from vibrating on a first day of usage, but now it gets better and better. I think one of the key benefits is that it helps me to concentrate on quality of the stroke, rather than pocketing a ball.

Two types of shots that are most challenging to me to keep DigiCue silent:

1. Elevated shots
2. Medium/hard speed draw stroke with open bridge. I get the required cue ball action, etc. I think the shaft comes up a bit from the bridge after the impact, which causes vibration. I get much less frequent vibrations with closed bridge.
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Glad to hear you like it Issac!
 
Can someone explain how the levels of difficulties work? What they are looking for, especially once one moves on to Intermediate and Advanced?
 
juvecoop said:
Can someone explain how the levels of difficulties work? What they are looking for, especially once one moves on to Intermediate and Advanced?
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Taken from the DigiCue frequently asked questions:

How do I turn on the DigiCue?

Press the Power Button Circle once to turn on the DigiCue. The DigiCue will vibrate a number of times, indicating which of the three modes it is currently set to:

Mode 1 - One vibration: Novice mode (lowest sensitivity)

Mode 2 - Two vibrations: Intermediate mode (medium sensitivity)

Mode 3 - Three vibrations: Advanced mode (highest sensitivity)

How can I tell which mode the DigiCue is set to?

At any time, pressing the Power Button Circle once will cause DigiCue to report which

mode it is set to.

How do I change modes?

At any time, press the Power Button Circle five (5) times within three (3) seconds to cycle to the next mode. The DigiCue will remember which mode it was in after it has turned off, even if the battery is removed.

Does the DigiCue react differently for different types of flaws?

No. The DigiCue will vibrate the same way for all types of flaws, but it will vibrate immediately as they happen. We did experiment with different vibration patterns for different flaws but it turned out to be more distracting than it was useful. Knowing exactly when the flaw occurs is just as effective.

What does the DigiCue do?

Simply slide the DigiCue onto the butt end of your cue, push the power button, and then play the game of your choice. The DigiCue constantly monitors your stroke for inconsistencies and gives you immediate feedback by silently vibrating when it detects:

- Jab strokes

- Steering

- Body english or movement

- Standing up during your stroke

How will the DigiCue help me?

The DigiCue will force you to bear down on every shot. It will condition you to keep your head and body still during your follow through, leading to a lasting improvement in the consistency of your stroke.

You can read the rest of the FAQ's here: https://www.obcues.com/pages/DIGICUE-Billiard-Training-Aid-Frequently-Asked-Questions.html

Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
After additional review/testing last night I believe my backhand tremors are factoring even at level one. This was even after shooting a table length shot to the endrail and the cueball coming back to hit the tip. I even used a stripe ball with the verticle line. The line didn't wobble.

This means I might have a digicue up for sale......



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mooseman said:
After additional review/testing last night I believe my backhand tremors are factoring even at level one. This was even after shooting a table length shot to the endrail and the cueball coming back to hit the tip. I even used a stripe ball with the verticle line. The line didn't wobble.

This means I might have a digicue up for sale......



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Mooseman, is there any way you could PM me a video of your stroke?

Thanks.

Nate...inventor of DigiCue.
 
I'll get one of my teammates to video with his or my phone. All I know is even after staying down after the buzz I see the cue slightly tremoring. I did try shooting with a mechanical bridge with no success.

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mooseman said:
I'll get one of my teammates to video with his or my phone. All I know is even after staying down after the buzz I see the cue slightly tremoring. I did try shooting with a mechanical bridge with no success.

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Thank you, I'll look forward to watching the video.

You mentioned your bridge hand tremors too?
 
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