discussion on stance

I've taken a lot of lessons from a lot of people, and they're very valuable. but the thing that launched my game to the next level was an attitude change, which came from watching a lot of pros playing and believing i could shoot like them. because, why can't you? imo, the best thing you can do for your game if you have any skill at all is watch a pro shoot and then go imitate it. they shoot differently. a shot you might baby or finesse they'll go three rails with force follow. personally, the worst thing i can do is sit there taking practice strokes thinking about some fundamental. the only way to shoot is with your subconscious mind, and the only way to shoot with your subconscious mind is to stand over the shot, decide what you want to do, then get down and go boom, boom, let it go. if you're over the shot for more than 3 seconds you're doomed. if you're not ready to take the shot, stand up and start again. the very worst thing you can do on a pool stroke is have any hesitation/doubt whatsoever. your arm will invariably go off in some weird, self-conscious direction. try pretending you're a cocky, 18-year-old, big-swinging dick and you'll see a much more dramatic change than you will by changing your elbow position. most sports are reaction sports (batter to pitch, backhand to forehand...) . in pool, like golf, there's no reaction, only action. in baseball or tennis you have a split second to react. in pool, you have for****ingever to stand over the shot and talk yourself into a miss. it's a head game.
 
Taco...I know what you mean, but the real time you're doomed is more than 10 or 12 seconds. Longer than that and your odds of missing skyrocket the longer you stay down. As you said, get back up and start again. Good post. :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

if you're over the shot for more than 3 seconds you're doomed. if you're not ready to take the shot, stand up and start again. the very worst thing you can do on a pool stroke is have any hesitation/doubt whatsoever. your arm will invariably go off in some weird, self-conscious direction.
 
enzo...While you "might" be right for a very small segment of poolplayers, you're dead wrong about the majority of people who want to improve, and don't have (or want to wait) years to get better. You have know what to practice and how to get the most out of it. Just hitting a million balls may not do it for most of us...and probably won't. Shane Van Boening is a great example of a world class player who got a good start through instruction, and THEN increased his skill through tournament competition and gambling. There are many other examples too. The German players do not gamble, and learned from instructors, yet they are world class competitors. How do you explain that?...just an accident I guess. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you don't know anything about how the brain and body learns best.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

look, shane would be a top player if he had lessons or not. if you dont know that im just not sure what to tell you. maybe he would be better if he didnt get lessons, i mean we just dont know, do we (or excuse me, we dont know, but you proclaim to know being the resident expert).

germans? i dont know what u think i said in my post.... but it was in fact something along the lines that spending your money on real pool experience will get you better faster than any instructor will. but i NEVER said you cant get good without instruction (just that it is probably a waste of money relative to gambling/tournaments). and i never said anything about "just hitting a million balls," seriously, get your facts straight. why is the best player in virtually every room we go in a gambler? how do you explain that?

this discussion im having with you is over now i guess, because to listen to you on the subjest of lessons vs no lesson would be like listening to car car salesmen tell me whether or not im better off with a new car.

note: i wanted to add something about the germans scott brought up... how i would explain the germans is that it probably took them a lot longer to get to that high level of play without good tournaments and gambling. i know we are all looking for the quickest path, and instruction just isnt it.... and we cant listen to you because you obviously have a financial interest in this topic- i don't.

one last question.... will you admit you have a biased opinion on this subject scott? do you think people should listen to other people with biased opinions (for example, car salesmen)?
 
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look, shane would be a top player if he had lessons or not. if you dont know that im just not sure what to tell you. maybe he would be better if he didnt get lessons, i mean we just dont know, do we (or excuse me, we dont know, but you proclaim to know being the resident expert).

germans? i dont know what u think i said in my post.... but it was in fact something along the lines that spending your money on real pool experience will get you better faster than any instructor will. but i NEVER said you cant get good without instruction (just that it is probably a waste of money relative to gambling/tournaments). why is the best player in virtually every room we go in a gambler? how do you explain that?

this discussion im having with you is over now i guess, because to listen to you on the subjest of lessons vs no lesson would be like listening to car car salesmen tell me whether or not im better off with a new car.

I believe spending the money on actual game experience in the long run will get you better, however, a couple lessons could be valuable and put you on the proper path. You don't get better by making the same mistakes, but rather when you learn to play correctly (a couple lessons can do that) and apply it into real game experience, thats where success comes. I know lessons can get pretty expensive, but overall, you do need lessons to learn to play properly or have someone better guide you in another form to put you on the right track. How many lessons you need depends on the individual.
 
My stance, on stance, is that there is no stance like the buffalo stance when you dance.
But the buffalo stance is not the best stance for playing pool.
For pool, the best stance is the stance that keeps you from falling on your pants.
A bad stance will make you lose your chance to advance to the "finals" dance.
Let's all take a stance against bad stance.
 
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look, shane would be a top player if he had lessons or not. if you dont know that im just not sure what to tell you. maybe he would be better if he didnt get lessons, i mean we just dont know, do we (or excuse me, we dont know, but you proclaim to know being the resident expert).

germans? i dont know what u think i said in my post.... but it was in fact something along the lines that spending your money on real pool experience will get you better faster than any instructor will. but i NEVER said you cant get good without instruction (just that it is probably a waste of money relative to gambling/tournaments). and i never said anything about "just hitting a million balls," seriously, get your facts straight. why is the best player in virtually every room we go in a gambler? how do you explain that?

this discussion im having with you is over now i guess, because to listen to you on the subjest of lessons vs no lesson would be like listening to car car salesmen tell me whether or not im better off with a new car.

note: i wanted to add something about the germans scott brought up... how i would explain the germans is that it probably took them a lot longer to get to that high level of play without good tournaments and gambling. i know we are all looking for the quickest path, and instruction just isnt it.... and we cant listen to you because you obviously have a financial interest in this topic- i don't.

one last question.... will you admit you have a biased opinion on this subject scott? do you think people should listen to other people with biased opinions (for example, car salesmen)?

Just to get something straight, do you think an hour of gambling will improve your game more than an hour of instruction? Our are tutu saying that a hundred dollars spent gambling will get you father than a hundred dollar lesson(s)?

I personally dont think you can every get really good without some instruction, that doesn't mean you have to take lessons instruction can be as simple as "how have you been racking" (saw alex ask shane that after losing some match)

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Do you realize that you are asking a guy a question that can't answer because he is banned??

Nope definitely not, I pretty much only get on on my phone and that doesn't show up, whoops.

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I have coached and advised some of the top players in the world, so when some people say i dont need coaching, trust me you do. If top players need help then the average joe needs more than a little help. By having a top coach/instructor teach you strong fundamentals, this can take your game to the next level.

People who say they dont need lessons, need to open there eyes and be willing to change, as you'll be surprised what you may learn.
 
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