diversity a factor in ipt selection?

[King Kong]

I think so! But, why no african-american players? With mark tadd + cliff joyner top players with substantial credentials and a few less known up and comers emerging on the scene it would be nice to have at least one. If the ipt can create a few spots for women that have never gotten higher then the top 32 in any tournament it would be nice to have a black contender as well!

 

[Snapshot9]

Because ...

The IPT is not EEO compliant. I would like to see more
white pro basketball players, but that doesn't mean they
deserve to be there. Granted though, I would like to see
Cliff in there, he is a very good player. It is not, nor should
it be, about complying with EEO requirements, it is about
talent and accomplishments.

 

[Rich R.]

I think so! But, why no african-american players? With mark tadd + cliff joyner top players with substantial credentials and a few less known up and comers emerging on the scene it would be nice to have at least one. If the ipt can create a few spots for women that have never gotten higher then the top 32 in any tournament it would be nice to have a black contender as well!

Do you even know if these players applied to be members of the IPT?

It would be unfair to others, if the IPT invited players, who didn't apply, just to make a more diverse field.

I am against the automatic inclusion of players, based on race, just as I would be against the exclusion of the same players.

If these players want to play in the IPT, they will have the opportunity to qualify, in the future.

 

[vagabond]

I think so! But, why no african-american players? With mark tadd + cliff joyner top players with substantial credentials and a few less known up and comers emerging on the scene it would be nice to have at least one. If the ipt can create a few spots for women that have never gotten higher then the top 32 in any tournament it would be nice to have a black contender as well!

Hi,
Did cliff and Mark send their applications as required?
BTW does mark put himself in the category of African-American?
The tour is nothing to do with diversity,adversity,EEO,croonism,nepotism. It is to do with talent in pool.

 

[mikepage]

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The tour is nothing to do with diversity,adversity,EEO,croonism,nepotism. It is to do with talent in pool.

I think this is naive.

Look at how fast the networks black out, e.g., the olympic 5000 meter running final when the top talent is all from Africa and Europe. The broader audience the IPT might aspire to attract (as opposed to the people reading this forum) need more than talent: they need drama. They need a star to route for. They need a theme. Hohman versus Manalo isn't going to cut it. Nor is Duell versus Owen. There's just not enough intrique for a labile audience that doesn't know any of these names.

I think the whole idea of insuring Sigel is in the final or insuring hall-of-famers are present in the latter rounds is about setting up young guns versus established guard themes. They want to have those names people might recognize. Then when some of these lesser-known players upset some of the hall of famers in front of the audiences's eyes, they'll be able to take their place as the new blood...

I think the choice of game and format, etc. is all about attracting a new audience.

That said, I can see there's overlap between the interests of the promoters and the interests of the players. And if this serves to get the pump primed, then more power to 'em.

KT gives me the skeevy geevys, but I know Deno and I have a lot of respect for him. I wish us well.

mike page
fargo

 

[King Kong]

valid points

I think this is naive.

Look at how fast the networks black out, e.g., the olympic 5000 meter running final when the top talent is all from Africa and Europe. The broader audience the IPT might aspire to attract (as opposed to the people reading this forum) need more than talent: they need drama. They need a star to route for. They need a theme. Hohman versus Manalo isn't going to cut it. Nor is Duell versus Owen. There's just not enough intrique for a labile audience that doesn't know any of these names.

I think the whole idea of insuring Sigel is in the final or insuring hall-of-famers are present in the latter rounds is about setting up young guns versus established guard themes. They want to have those names people might recognize. Then when some of these lesser-known players upset some of the hall of famers in front of the audiences's eyes, they'll be able to take their place as the new blood...

I think the choice of game and format, etc. is all about attracting a new audience.

That said, I can see there's overlap between the interests of the promoters and the interests of the players. And if this serves to get the pump primed, then more power to 'em.

KT gives me the skeevy geevys, but I know Deno and I have a lot of respect for him. I wish us well.

mike page
fargo

You make a valid point about creating drama and a interesting show. I just don't think this format will provide the excitement of poker. There are no underdogs on the list and no table talk. A ring game would allow for table talk and the audience to get a since of the characters and their personalities. The round robin format can only work if you can get the players talking about each others shot selection on the sidelines respectfully while the game is inprogress. Nothing bets rodney morris barking at strickland for being strickland. With so much at stake it will be like letting the dogs out all at once. Controlling this kind of event with no incidents is going to be a miracle.

If round robin is done king of the hill style may add some interest in the groupings or the peanut gallery as I like to call it along side the table. A john mac enroy out burst or two is great television. So, let them play and the sport needs to stop trying to sugar coat the sport. Poker does not run from its past it embrassess it. + think pool should do the same. We all love it as it is. If not we wouldn't be interested and fasinated with the sport/gamble.

 

[frankncali]

Hi,
Did cliff and Mark send their applications as required?
BTW does mark put himself in the category of African-American?
The tour is nothing to do with diversity,adversity,EEO,croonism,nepotism. It is to do with talent in pool.

I think right now that it has alot ot do with marketing which has alot of
diversity factored into it. Its not a bad 150 at all IMO. I think that after the
first year some players will be out and some in which will bring in new marketing edges.
Imagine Alex coming in the second year and winning an event or more. Nice
addition to the tour.
Imagine Tadd coming on board year 2 and snapping one off. Great angles

I know KT has had some run ins with the justice system but I was wondering if he was going to exclude any players that have had issues. There are always rumors about players being wanted or not able to go into certain states etc.

 

[mapman72]

Diversity hah!

I think so! But, why no african-american players? With mark tadd + cliff joyner top players with substantial credentials and a few less known up and comers emerging on the scene it would be nice to have at least one. If the ipt can create a few spots for women that have never gotten higher then the top 32 in any tournament it would be nice to have a black contender as well!

Pool is filled with white, conservative, Bush supporters as evident in all the anti EOE responses. I think there are several African American players who deserve a shot at this. If we're talking strictly about talent, I know of about ten or so African Americans that could beat some of the people selected, especially at eight ball. So either you take only the best, or you diversify the field. IPT has selectively diversified the field, IMO.

Tiger Woods has been good for golf, and good for golfers, no matter their color. Having Cliff Joyner or Ike Runnels win one of these big tournaments would be a shot in the arm to the game. I'm curious to see if they applied as well. We should start a thread naming people who applied and were rejected, just to set the record straight.

 

[unknownpro]

Pool is filled with white, conservative, Bush supporters as evident in all the anti EOE responses. I think there are several African American players who deserve a shot at this. If we're talking strictly about talent, I know of about ten or so African Americans that could beat some of the people selected, especially at eight ball. So either you take only the best, or you diversify the field. IPT has selectively diversified the field, IMO.

Tiger Woods has been good for golf, and good for golfers, no matter their color. Having Cliff Joyner or Ike Runnels win one of these big tournaments would be a shot in the arm to the game. I'm curious to see if they applied as well. We should start a thread naming people who applied and were rejected, just to set the record straight.

Excellent idea. You can start with Joe Tucker and me.

unknownpro

 

[rackmsuckr]

Pool is filled with white, conservative, Bush supporters as evident in all the anti EOE responses. I think there are several African American players who deserve a shot at this. If we're talking strictly about talent, I know of about ten or so African Americans that could beat some of the people selected, especially at eight ball. So either you take only the best, or you diversify the field. IPT has selectively diversified the field, IMO.

Tiger Woods has been good for golf, and good for golfers, no matter their color. Having Cliff Joyner or Ike Runnels win one of these big tournaments would be a shot in the arm to the game. I'm curious to see if they applied as well. We should start a thread naming people who applied and were rejected, just to set the record straight.

Ike Runnels is on the list.

 

[mapman72]

Thanks

Ike Runnels is on the list.

Whoops. I stand corrected about him. He deserves to be IMO. Thread started on main forum about definite IPT snubs. Please contribute.

 

[Kevin]

You make a valid point about creating drama and a interesting show. I just don't think this format will provide the excitement of poker. There are no underdogs on the list and no table talk. A ring game would allow for table talk and the audience to get a since of the characters and their personalities. The round robin format can only work if you can get the players talking about each others shot selection on the sidelines respectfully while the game is in progress. Nothing bets rodney morris barking at strickland for being strickland. With so much at stake it will be like letting the dogs out all at once. Controlling this kind of event with no incidents is going to be a miracle.

If round robin is done king of the hill style may add some interest in the groupings or the peanut gallery as I like to call it along side the table. A john mac enroy out burst or two is great television. So, let them play and the sport needs to stop trying to sugar coat the sport. Poker does not run from its past it embrassess it. + think pool should do the same. We all love it as it is. If not we wouldn't be interested and fasinated with the sport/gamble.

Maybe what you need is a Scotch Doubles format. It seems 8-ball was picked first, it being the "Stripes and Solids" peoples choice of games for the masses. I don't know of any ring game format for 8ball. Put microphones on them, let them discuss strategy, where to leave the cue ball, when to not run out, etc.