Do we have a physics expert in the house.

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To defend Bob, I think he absolutely knows what squirt is. What I don't think he understands is how and what mechanisms and parameters affectt the method of testing. What he's done is made a great shaft that works on his Mythbuster, but his "robot" has some fundamental issues that affect squirt that wouldn't be part of a normal human stroke.

I've highlighted on numerous occasions what the issues are. I shan't again, since apparently, nobody cares anyway. LOL!!! Everyone knows science.

Freddie <~~~ privately sick of the discussion

I hear ya Freddie. From my discussions with you, it seems you really know your stuff, and particularly seem to understand engineering physics better than most if not all the posters I've read on AZ. I can only speak for myself when I say your contributions would be valued.

And don't get me wrong...that new Meucci shaft is very nice.

KMRUNOUT

 

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KMRunout,

If you are being genuine about Patrick, I can only assume that you've missed the flat out insults & veiled ones in other threads & posts.

I believe he recently received a short vacation for a remark about lipstick on Fran Crimi's you know what after I paid her a deserved compliment for what she knows about actually playing the game.

As I have said on more than one occasion now, it is not always about the science that is delivered to others but it is the arrogant, condescending, & demeaning manner that it is sometimes delivered to them.

When a discussion of playing techniques is being had & enjoyed there is no need for any science guy to swoop down & make those individuals seem like idiots.

Dr. Dave, Bob Jewitt (spelling?), & Mike Page never do that.

But, there are those that do & IMHO they do it for selfish reasons to pump up their own egos in the vein of 'I know what you don't know & I'm smarter than you' to fuel their Arrogance.

When I see someone that has a false belief I too put out the correct science but not in a manner that makes them appear or feel 'stupid'.

If someone disagrees there are ways to reaffirm what is & then leave it to their determinations without making them to look or feel 'inferior' nor be insulting, while hiding behind the truth of the science.

I hope you can see & understand what I've said here as other seem to do & agree.

Best Wishes.

English, I've never had an issue with you or your posts. Likewise, having been on AZ for a decade or more, I simply don't remember seeing Patrick be rude or mean. He is clearly a highly intelligent individual. What I specifically like about him is that he seems very skilled at being diplomatic and nice while directly contradicting someone's claim. In fact, it is specifically his diplomacy that impresses me. I would love to see an example of something mean or condescending. Problem is, in my experience it seems that it is idiocy that most often makes someone feel like an idiot. Perhaps more specifically, the revelation of that idiocy by someone else. Often it comes as a shock to the idiot, usually such a shock that they can't even process it as the truth, and instead immediately defend against the mean intellectual bully that is "talking down" to them. This is typically followed up by a weak, illogical argument to defend their position and attempt to rebuild the facade that they are actually intelligent. This typically just makes it worse, and can sometimes draw some actual venom out of the "intellectual" scolder. It's suck a common pattern. Ok maybe I'm getting a little deep into my own experience...but perhaps this is why I like people like Patrick.

Like I said when paraphrasing King Solomon: The fool hates the reproach of the wise, but the wise man gains understanding. People should improve their skill at being wrong. It makes it way easier to learn to be right. In my opinion, of course.

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You see almost any correction with the actual facts as being "arrogant, condescending, and demeaning". You will deny it but your problem is with being corrected period, not how it is done, and I can assure you with the "science guys" that giving factual information is always done to prevent the perpetuation of nonsense, and because they care that people are not mislead and that they get factual information--not to make themselves look good. And on the rare occasion where one of the science guys might understandably get a bit frustrated it is only because someone else was being arrogant and/or condescending and/or demeaning and/or insulting etc towards them and had zero intention of ever being open to learning anything.


Have you noticed those guys rarely post? Dr Dave does still a little, but not really much, and the other two almost never. But they used to all be very active in discussions and with providing valuable factual information. You know one of if not the big reason they don't post much? Because it isn't worth having to fade non stop attacks, and insults, and arguing from people who don't know their a$$ from a hole in the ground.

A big reason this site has gone down hill is because it has become overrun with idiots who argue with scientists. There is no problem with pushing back a bit, asking for the evidence or for more explanation (as long as it hasn't already been given), or providing new evidence themselves if they actually have some (which they almost never do). But when you have guys whose IQ's hardly exceed their age, and whose math and science skills end at being able to add 2+2 telling absolutely brilliant trained scientists who spent their entire lives studying a topic that they don't know what they are talking about, and that they are wrong, and dumb, and closed minded, and ignorant, and missing things, and doing their jobs wrong, and don't know what facts are, and don't know how to conduct experiments, and don't know how to interpret results, etc, and are relentless about it, then it is time for those folks to have a permanent vacation given to them. They bring zero value and are absolutely ruining the forums.

Best post on AZ in years. You absolutely nailed it.

KMRUNOUT