Do you have to play for Cash?

BmoreMoney

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I was taught and raised that gambling and hustling is what pool is about. It was what I thought the meaning of being a better player was meant to be. I was helping a friend out years ago at the US Open. Him and Barry talked me into playing in the tournament. After getting my teeth kicked in and embarrassed the hell out of myself, even though I did win one match. I realized this is what pool is all about. I came home, did some soul searching. I realized what a piece of crap I was for hustling pool. I felt like I didn't deserve to hold a cue ever again and quit. It also ruined my social skills with people. I'm slowly getting my game back and will never play for money again, no matter how tempting it is. As for the social skills part, that will always be my weakness. Keep playing for fun and if you want good competition, play in tournaments.


So what exactly were you doing that you considered as hustling compared to just ed gambling? I ask because see u specifically mentioned both in your post . By the way, imo, even winning one match in the US open is quite a feat. More than many could do!
 
I mostly hustled. I said gambling to try to make me sound like a better person, than a thief. Other players that I knew stopped playing with me, which always started with gambling. I know hustling is now stealing, ripping people off, but that's what I did. The last time I hustled and got barred from the tables, there were these two guys playing each other for $10 a game. I walk up and asked if I could play the winner, like a complete noob. I didn't carry any cues around. They told me their playing $10 a game and I should go to another table. I looked at them and said wow, you guys even have your own cues, you guys must be pretty good! You know what they say, you never get any better unless you play someone better than you? If it's going to cost me $10 a game to get better, so be it. They laughed and said I could have next game. As I was working on them, the owner came over, swiped the balls and told the guys they were being hustled. They couldn't believe it and he said Ken here is much better than you. Ken your barred for life from playing on my tables. I remember this like it happened yesterday and think I aleady mentioned it here before, the guy that barred me was a friend of mine. I thank my buddy for doing that, what I did wasn't right and helped me change my ways. I even quit drinking. That was basically what I did every time I went out to play. Completely unproductive and pointless. Not a good feeling when your labelled a dishonest person. I wish I could go back in time and change everything. I probably would've been a much better player.

I woke up this morning with $600 of other people's money. I've been working to get back in stroke since not playing all summer. Last night winning the cash, while still giving up weight, tells me my game is getting back in gear. If I wasn't playing $100 to $300 a set, winning would have meant nothing.

Next time I go to the pool hall, I'll throw the window open and give people a legitimate shot at their money. If they don't play well enough to win, that's no fault of mine.
 
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Island Drive

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Tidbits of all the threads, playin for cash

How Pooplayers think....

I highlighted a few thoughts that amused me in a good way.

I definitely don't need to play for money to enjoy pool

I was always gambling on something

I play for me,

pool always of course

You don't have to pay me to play just show me what you got,

Most of the time I play for money. It's more exciting,

I practice for free but really prefer to play for something

My first time in a pool hall, I lost more than a week's pay.

the money is a means to an end, not the end in itself.

You can beat the piss out of someone with a steel bar, but if you want forge that puppy into a sword, you have apply fire.

No cash needed for me to thoroughly enjoy playing pool

I first saw pool when I was about 8 years old.

I like coming home with more money than I started out with.

The money is a measure of my ability and ability to execute what I can do

I play for enjoyment, plain and simple.

When nothing is on the line a win means just about the same as a loss, the only difference is you're either breaking or racking. Then again there are those kind of people that are just ass holes that you love to beat and hate to lose to, but then again I never just play with those kinds of people.

I play for fun and to get better

To each his own,but i don,t do anything(golf,pool,etc...) unless i have something riding on it.

I certainly don't need to play for money.

I don't have to play for money to enjoy my time, but my best one hole game typically comes out during a wager.

No $$ for me. I take no pleasure of taking someone's money and rather spend it on something instead of losing it.

I think one of the differences between pool and other activities/sports, is that if you play competitive hockey, football, baseball, etc... While you're not playing for money, every game does mean something.

Pool and gambling go hand-in-hand.

If you want to play at a higher level, you need to play for money.

there are players that gamble and players that dont . all share the pool room together.

I was taught and raised that gambling and hustling is what pool is about.

I mostly hustled.

I woke up this morning with $600 of other people's money.

I wish I could go back in time and change everything. I probably would've been a much better player.
 

lfigueroa

AzB Silver Member
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I feel that there are certain endeavors in life that are a natural match with gambling and have little purpose without money being involved. Ferinstance: horse racing, backgammon, poker, gin rummy, and pool.

I mean, why would you go to a race track and just watch the ponies run around? Why would you sit at a table and play Hold'em for nothing? And why on God's god green Simonis covered Earth would you play a game of 1pocket or 9ball for shits and grins? Why would you walk into a casino and stand around?

It's nuts, I tell ya.

Lou Figueroa
 

JoeyA

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That is quite an autobiography of your pool life. I like it.

JoeyA

I first saw pool when I was about 8 years old. My dad took me to the downtown pool hall and he had a beer and I saw people playing it for the first time. He got a table and I think we played one game. I don't remember if it was 8-ball or rotation, my dad wasn't a player and he just got the table because of me and I'm sure he won. He paid for the game and I don't recall ever going back in there, though I'd look through the door when I went downtown. Sometimes the door was open because it was hot inside. I can't remember if they had A/C or not.

The next time I ever saw a pool table was a bumper pool table in the back room of a taxi stand. It took a quarter to put in to get the balls out. I would save a quarter and go there to play. I would put a metal bar in the hole so that the balls would catch in the hole but wouldn't fall into the bed of the table. I would play for hours until somebody actually came up and wanted to play a game.

After that, another kid said they had a pool table in the basement of his church right next to the town library. I used to go to the library all the time because there wasn't anything to do, so now I found a new place to play and I didn't need a quarter. On the weekdays, there was usually nobody in the church (a two story building), so we'd go into the basement and play for hours and hours.

A couple years later, we moved to the opposite side of town and the pool hall (now moved to another location) was about 75 yards from our back yard.

This took pool, for me, to a whole new level.

The state law governing the pool hall stated that you had to be 21 to enter, without your parent being with you. They served alcohol and there was an attached walk-in and drive-thru liquor store.

I was around 12 and I started out by sneaking in the back door and sitting quietly and watching everybody play...both pool and snooker. They would occasionally throw me out and tell me that I was too young to be in there.

When there wasn't any action going on, I'd sneak over to the best snooker table and practice shooting the 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 balls and re-spotting them and shooting over and over. There were no racks at the table and you had to call the person working there if you needed to rack the balls. I didn't have the 40 cents to pay for a rack and I wasn't supposed to be there in the first place, so I'd try to do everything without drawing too much attention or breaking open the rack Eventually, they would spot me and tell me to quit and sit down or tell me I had to leave.

After they got tired of throwing me out, the owner offered to let me stay inside and play for free if I would work for $1 an hour and clean the tables and sweep the floor at night. I gladly took up his offer.

This is the pool hall I grew up in and worked in as a kid. By the time I was 16, I could beat everyone in the town. The owner of the place had two pool halls. The "old school" one that I worked in and a "kiddy" pool hall that was like a recreation center (no alcohol, cursing, etc...and kids were allowed). It was miles away on the opposite side of town.

Being able to go inside without getting thrown out allowed me all the time I wanted to watch, practice, and learn...plus I got a few bucks that I could buy sodas and snacks with while I was there. If anybody questioned why a "kid" was there, the owner had connections and nobody ever made a deal of it, to my knowledge.

Everybody else of my age was playing baseball, football, tennis, or just goofing off. If any of the other kids were playing pool, they were playing it at the "kiddy land". I was spending every hour after school and on weekends playing pool where all the adults were and where all the "action" was. I sometimes played 7 or 8 hours a day, six days a week, even on school days. On Saturdays, I'd play for 8-12 hours. I did this for years, until I graduated High School.

I started out playing snooker because I liked it the best and I learned well enough to beat everybody playing it. The only problem was that it wasn't a money game like pool and not a lot of people liked playing it, so I then concentrated a lot of my time to playing pool instead of snooker.

By the time I was 16, I was beating everybody in town and even playing people who came in from out of town. The owner, and others, used to take me out of town and stake me to play people. He would put me up against anybody in the house and would back me. I would get 10-20% of whatever I won and I won plenty. I used to walk around with about $1,500 cash in my pocket as a 16 year old. That was half enough money, at the time, to buy a brand new Mustang.

The owner instructed me if anybody came in the pool hall and wanted to play for money, that I should "quit" working for the time being, take as much money as I needed out of the register, and play them.

We later moved 8 miles out into the country, and on days and nights that I wasn't there, the owner would send someone or a taxi to my house to get me to come and play people if him or nobody in the pool hall could beat them. There were times when he would send a taxi to my house with $500, or so, and have the taxi driver take me to so-and-so bar to play somebody who had come in and beat everyone. Every bar in the town knew who I was and they all let me in and even served me beer. They would call the owner of the pool hall and alert them if a stranger came in wanting to play on the bar table.

It was a lot of fun to walk into a bar, as a teenager, and jump on the table with a stranger who had beat everybody in the house. Since the bar owners knew me, nobody ever really tried to jump me or rob me at the time...in which I was extremely lucky. I had a few moments in my later life where I wasn't quite so lucky.

When nobody in the pool hall would play 9-ball, I would resort to playing one-pocket with the old guys, even though it wasn't my favorite game. The one-pocket players were usually the older players who played for years and had the money to try to "high roll" people who didn't play as well when higher stakes or their bankroll was on the line. They couldn't "high roll" me, because it wasn't my money and the owner had more money than they did. I used to play them for $100 a game, which is equivalent to about $1000 a game today.

The whole time I worked in this pool hall, they never had a tournament and I never ever heard of them having a tournament before that. The "kiddy" pool hall had the tournaments and trophies and I never, once, went there to play. The owner used to tell me to go play the tournaments there, since he knew I could beat everyone, but I had no interest in playing other "kids" and/or winning trophies.

Once I left there and joined the military, I traveled all over and played wherever I was stationed in the U.S. and overseas. I continued to play pool at night almost every day of the week and on weekends for quite a few years. I made more money playing pool than I did working.

I quit pool for about 4 years in the 80s, started back for a couple and played really well, and then quit for about a dozen years.

During the years I played, I won the first two or three 14.1 tournaments I ever played in without ever having played a game of it. I practiced alone for a few days and even managed to run 69 balls in practice before I ever played against an opponent. I won every base championship and almost every tournament that they had at any base I was ever at one or more times for over a 25 year period, won the Taiwan island-wide championships back-to-back in 1975-76, and took 3rd place in the ND state bar table tournament. When I was in ND, I held the highest rating of any player in Grand Forks, ND and I only played once a week on a bar table league, while some of the rest played every day of the week and even owned pool halls.

Trophies, at whatever level, don't excite me. I just as soon play in a $5 ring game and win beers and juke box money as play for something to put on a shelf. I've thrown out and given away more trophies than I can count. I once won a weekly pool tournament so many times that they ran out of trophies and had to "back order" them. By the time they came in, they owed me 12 trophies and when I went to get them they were surprised that I wanted ALL of them. Once they gave them to me, I walked around the recreation center and gave them all away...one to every kid I saw until I ran out.

After working in the pool hall and playing for money for so many years afterward, there were times that I would practice by myself and people would come up and ask to play for fun and I'd tell them I didn't play for fun. Playing lesser players for nothing took my attention off the game and I didn't like that. So, whenever they came to play I'd try to concentrate and never give them a shot. I didn't care if they were a beginner, a kid, a woman, or anybody. I would send them racking without them ever making more than a ball, or two, at the most. Some of them would get discouraged and quit and others took it as a challenge to see how far they could get. Those that I thought actually had an interest in learning something, I'd take time and try to teach them instead of steamrolling them all the time.

After quitting so many times, and for long periods (12 years the last time), I started back about 4 or 5 years ago and play for a few hours, only on Sundays. I would like to play more, but I have to drive about 20 miles one-way through traffic and the city to the pool hall. It isn't open before 2 PM and going there after work is during the rush-hour period. Also, I wake up to get ready for work at 4 AM and I don't feel like staying there late at night.

I am almost blind now, without glasses (which I never needed to wear until about age 50) so I wear contacts on Sundays, just for playing pool.

I can still maintain an above A-level with that little bit of play. I catch a gear once in a while and string a few games. I had quite a few break and runs on Sunday, a couple or more 2-packs, and I ran a 5-pack not too long ago.

Pool still fascinates me as much as it did the first time I ever saw it or played a game. I think I have made a million balls in my life and shot every shot on the table at one time or another; however, I am still learning something every time I play.

I have no interest in playing for money any more...I have nothing to prove. I own land in the mainland, I own a house in Hawaii, two cars and everything is paid for, and have no bills.

I have nothing to win and everything to lose. If I could win your $300, would it improve my lifestyle? Knowing most of the people hanging out in pool halls today, I'd probably get stiffed for the money. The last guy that thought he was a "player" wouldn't play me for money, but wanted to play for beers. I don't drink so I told him let's just make it $5 a game, which is the price of a beer. He is always rated an A-level and likes to try to gamble with people but is kind of shady. I beat him about 6 out of 7, or something of the sort, and I looked around and he was GONE and never paid me the $25 or $30 he owed me. The money didn't bother me and I don't drink, so I wasn't going to die thirsty, but proved a point...the only pool player I can trust is ME.
 

JoeyA

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WOW! What a candid testimony. Nice wrap up.

JoeyA

I mostly hustled. I said gambling to try to make me sound like a better person, than a thief. Other players that I knew stopped playing with me, which always started with gambling. I know hustling is now stealing, ripping people off, but that's what I did. The last time I hustled and got barred from the tables, there were these two guys playing each other for $10 a game. I walk up and asked if I could play the winner, like a complete noob. I didn't carry any cues around. They told me their playing $10 a game and I should go to another table. I looked at them and said wow, you guys even have your own cues, you guys must be pretty good! You know what they say, you never get any better unless you play someone better than you? If it's going to cost me $10 a game to get better, so be it. They laughed and said I could have next game. As I was working on them, the owner came over, swiped the balls and told the guys they were being hustled. They couldn't believe it and he said Ken here is much better than you. Ken your barred for life from playing on my tables. I remember this like it happened yesterday and think I aleady mentioned it here before, the guy that barred me was a friend of mine. I thank my buddy for doing that, what I did wasn't right and helped me change my ways. I even quit drinking. That was basically what I did every time I went out to play. Completely unproductive and pointless. Not a good feeling when your labelled a dishonest person. I wish I could go back in time and change everything. I probably would've been a much better player.
 

JoeyA

Efren's Mini-Tourn BACKER
Silver Member
•• It's YES or NO ••

•• YES, I often do have to play for cash but it is more about the other player than it is about myself. Some "players" won't play unless they are gambling and that's ok with me. When I feel like pushing myself and them I will wager with them. When traveling players come to town, I will often let them test the waters with some cheap one pocket.

•• NO, I don't always have to play for cash. If I have an opponent who does not gamble but who gives his all when at the table, then I can play pool for a couple of hours with them with no cash on the line. If they keep me on my toes the entire time, I can play for more than a few hours. If they are interesting and appreciate quid pro quo, I am all in.

In general, I play pool to test myself; to see if I have overcome the demons that keep tormenting my game, even if only temporary.

I enjoy playing in tournaments as well and the reason may very well be that other people don't have much money at stake and I don't have to feel guilty if I beat them out of tournament prize money. The fact that everyone is fighting hard to cash in a tournament and I enjoy playing different people who are trying to win.

Unfortunately, in long grinding tournaments, my stamina starts to fade towards the end of the tournaments but that is as it is supposed to be, but I still enjoy them nevertheless. See you at White Diamonds on November 19-20th. Home of the $100,000.00 weekend bar table tournament.

JoeyA
 

GoldCrown

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How Pooplayers think....

I highlighted a few thoughts that amused me in a good way.
The Melting Pot of Pool.
I forgot to add I also lost a weeks salary on a Sat afternoon. Made $42.50...lost about $50. Didn't I feel stupid. I'd like to find that person that beat me. Would thank him big time.
 
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I spend 98% of my time playing by myself in my gameroom. If I'm not running racks, I'm not instroke. I don't need to play for money to play well. I went out a couple weeks ago to a pool room. I was hooked up with someone that just wanted to play, that's all. He didn't get to shoot much. I thought I was only there for a couple hours, but played nonstop for a little over 8 hours. Several of the regulars came over when we were wrapping it up and commented on how well I play and I was a complete gentleman. When I go back there, I'll actually have guys wanting to play me. I really have no desire to go back, competition wasn't great, honestly. It was great being respected for my passion of the game and liked. Something I'm not use too. I'm trying to reprogram myself to play at the best of my ability no matter what. Not sure if it works, but will know better 10 years from now if I continue to play. My main downfall now is mentally believing and respecting myself.

Once you have the BIG THREE, 1-game, 2-bankroll, 3-heart you only need the 4th ingredient which is motivation.

I agree with you that motivation can be the hardest one. As our game changes, with lessfocus on big table pool and gambling, its hard to stay motivated. If there's only a few big events for me to play, am I going to put in 15hrs a week on my home table?

As a player my motivation to win the cash is tempered by the fact that I don't need to win at pool to pay bills. I do love the game, but I love it more when I'm successful. If I'm making an extra grand a month tax free, why wouldn't that motivate me.

The hardest parts about playing pool for me is finding people to play and that sick feeling you get when you lose....usually first thing the next morning. All this makes me stronger in the end. If you haven't played an opponent you don't know, for a hundred or more a set in a long session, you don't know where your ability is at. You will learn more from losses than winning, and you learn losing sucks.
 

phil dade

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Might as well practice if you are not paying for money. Playing someone for free is a waste of time. You will not get his best game nor play yours. You have to have enough riding on it the influence shot selections.
 

bazkook

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You don't have to play for money to enjoy the game. I have heard that some top pros, mainly Europeans, strictly play tournaments and do not gamble, at least publicly. I like gambling for small stakes occasionally to add a little incentive to perform and make a little money but I am not comfortable with gambling for anything more than I can afford to lose, even when I had plenty of extra money.
 
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TCo

AzB Silver Member
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I first saw pool when I was about 8 years old. My dad took me to the downtown pool hall and he had a beer and I saw people playing it for the first time. He got a table and I think we played one game. I don't remember if it was 8-ball or rotation, my dad wasn't a player and he just got the table because of me and I'm sure he won. He paid for the game and I don't recall ever going back in there, though I'd look through the door when I went downtown. Sometimes the door was open because it was hot inside. I can't remember if they had A/C or not.

The next time I ever saw a pool table was a bumper pool table in the back room of a taxi stand. It took a quarter to put in to get the balls out. I would save a quarter and go there to play. I would put a metal bar in the hole so that the balls would catch in the hole but wouldn't fall into the bed of the table. I would play for hours until somebody actually came up and wanted to play a game.

After that, another kid said they had a pool table in the basement of his church right next to the town library. I used to go to the library all the time because there wasn't anything to do, so now I found a new place to play and I didn't need a quarter. On the weekdays, there was usually nobody in the church (a two story building), so we'd go into the basement and play for hours and hours.

A couple years later, we moved to the opposite side of town and the pool hall (now moved to another location) was about 75 yards from our back yard.

This took pool, for me, to a whole new level.

The state law governing the pool hall stated that you had to be 21 to enter, without your parent being with you. They served alcohol and there was an attached walk-in and drive-thru liquor store.

I was around 12 and I started out by sneaking in the back door and sitting quietly and watching everybody play...both pool and snooker. They would occasionally throw me out and tell me that I was too young to be in there.

When there wasn't any action going on, I'd sneak over to the best snooker table and practice shooting the 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 balls and re-spotting them and shooting over and over. There were no racks at the table and you had to call the person working there if you needed to rack the balls. I didn't have the 40 cents to pay for a rack and I wasn't supposed to be there in the first place, so I'd try to do everything without drawing too much attention or breaking open the rack Eventually, they would spot me and tell me to quit and sit down or tell me I had to leave.

After they got tired of throwing me out, the owner offered to let me stay inside and play for free if I would work for $1 an hour and clean the tables and sweep the floor at night. I gladly took up his offer.

This is the pool hall I grew up in and worked in as a kid. By the time I was 16, I could beat everyone in the town. The owner of the place had two pool halls. The "old school" one that I worked in and a "kiddy" pool hall that was like a recreation center (no alcohol, cursing, etc...and kids were allowed). It was miles away on the opposite side of town.

Being able to go inside without getting thrown out allowed me all the time I wanted to watch, practice, and learn...plus I got a few bucks that I could buy sodas and snacks with while I was there. If anybody questioned why a "kid" was there, the owner had connections and nobody ever made a deal of it, to my knowledge.

Everybody else of my age was playing baseball, football, tennis, or just goofing off. If any of the other kids were playing pool, they were playing it at the "kiddy land". I was spending every hour after school and on weekends playing pool where all the adults were and where all the "action" was. I sometimes played 7 or 8 hours a day, six days a week, even on school days. On Saturdays, I'd play for 8-12 hours. I did this for years, until I graduated High School.

I started out playing snooker because I liked it the best and I learned well enough to beat everybody playing it. The only problem was that it wasn't a money game like pool and not a lot of people liked playing it, so I then concentrated a lot of my time to playing pool instead of snooker.

By the time I was 16, I was beating everybody in town and even playing people who came in from out of town. The owner, and others, used to take me out of town and stake me to play people. He would put me up against anybody in the house and would back me. I would get 10-20% of whatever I won and I won plenty. I used to walk around with about $1,500 cash in my pocket as a 16 year old. That was half enough money, at the time, to buy a brand new Mustang.

The owner instructed me if anybody came in the pool hall and wanted to play for money, that I should "quit" working for the time being, take as much money as I needed out of the register, and play them.

We later moved 8 miles out into the country, and on days and nights that I wasn't there, the owner would send someone or a taxi to my house to get me to come and play people if him or nobody in the pool hall could beat them. There were times when he would send a taxi to my house with $500, or so, and have the taxi driver take me to so-and-so bar to play somebody who had come in and beat everyone. Every bar in the town knew who I was and they all let me in and even served me beer. They would call the owner of the pool hall and alert them if a stranger came in wanting to play on the bar table.

It was a lot of fun to walk into a bar, as a teenager, and jump on the table with a stranger who had beat everybody in the house. Since the bar owners knew me, nobody ever really tried to jump me or rob me at the time...in which I was extremely lucky. I had a few moments in my later life where I wasn't quite so lucky.

When nobody in the pool hall would play 9-ball, I would resort to playing one-pocket with the old guys, even though it wasn't my favorite game. The one-pocket players were usually the older players who played for years and had the money to try to "high roll" people who didn't play as well when higher stakes or their bankroll was on the line. They couldn't "high roll" me, because it wasn't my money and the owner had more money than they did. I used to play them for $100 a game, which is equivalent to about $1000 a game today.

The whole time I worked in this pool hall, they never had a tournament and I never ever heard of them having a tournament before that. The "kiddy" pool hall had the tournaments and trophies and I never, once, went there to play. The owner used to tell me to go play the tournaments there, since he knew I could beat everyone, but I had no interest in playing other "kids" and/or winning trophies.

Once I left there and joined the military, I traveled all over and played wherever I was stationed in the U.S. and overseas. I continued to play pool at night almost every day of the week and on weekends for quite a few years. I made more money playing pool than I did working.

I quit pool for about 4 years in the 80s, started back for a couple and played really well, and then quit for about a dozen years.

During the years I played, I won the first two or three 14.1 tournaments I ever played in without ever having played a game of it. I practiced alone for a few days and even managed to run 69 balls in practice before I ever played against an opponent. I won every base championship and almost every tournament that they had at any base I was ever at one or more times for over a 25 year period, won the Taiwan island-wide championships back-to-back in 1975-76, and took 3rd place in the ND state bar table tournament. When I was in ND, I held the highest rating of any player in Grand Forks, ND and I only played once a week on a bar table league, while some of the rest played every day of the week and even owned pool halls.

Trophies, at whatever level, don't excite me. I just as soon play in a $5 ring game and win beers and juke box money as play for something to put on a shelf. I've thrown out and given away more trophies than I can count. I once won a weekly pool tournament so many times that they ran out of trophies and had to "back order" them. By the time they came in, they owed me 12 trophies and when I went to get them they were surprised that I wanted ALL of them. Once they gave them to me, I walked around the recreation center and gave them all away...one to every kid I saw until I ran out.

After working in the pool hall and playing for money for so many years afterward, there were times that I would practice by myself and people would come up and ask to play for fun and I'd tell them I didn't play for fun. Playing lesser players for nothing took my attention off the game and I didn't like that. So, whenever they came to play I'd try to concentrate and never give them a shot. I didn't care if they were a beginner, a kid, a woman, or anybody. I would send them racking without them ever making more than a ball, or two, at the most. Some of them would get discouraged and quit and others took it as a challenge to see how far they could get. Those that I thought actually had an interest in learning something, I'd take time and try to teach them instead of steamrolling them all the time.

After quitting so many times, and for long periods (12 years the last time), I started back about 4 or 5 years ago and play for a few hours, only on Sundays. I would like to play more, but I have to drive about 20 miles one-way through traffic and the city to the pool hall. It isn't open before 2 PM and going there after work is during the rush-hour period. Also, I wake up to get ready for work at 4 AM and I don't feel like staying there late at night.

I am almost blind now, without glasses (which I never needed to wear until about age 50) so I wear contacts on Sundays, just for playing pool.

I can still maintain an above A-level with that little bit of play. I catch a gear once in a while and string a few games. I had quite a few break and runs on Sunday, a couple or more 2-packs, and I ran a 5-pack not too long ago.

Pool still fascinates me as much as it did the first time I ever saw it or played a game. I think I have made a million balls in my life and shot every shot on the table at one time or another; however, I am still learning something every time I play.

I have no interest in playing for money any more...I have nothing to prove. I own land in the mainland, I own a house in Hawaii, two cars and everything is paid for, and have no bills.

I have nothing to win and everything to lose. If I could win your $300, would it improve my lifestyle? Knowing most of the people hanging out in pool halls today, I'd probably get stiffed for the money. The last guy that thought he was a "player" wouldn't play me for money, but wanted to play for beers. I don't drink so I told him let's just make it $5 a game, which is the price of a beer. He is always rated an A-level and likes to try to gamble with people but is kind of shady. I beat him about 6 out of 7, or something of the sort, and I looked around and he was GONE and never paid me the $25 or $30 he owed me. The money didn't bother me and I don't drink, so I wasn't going to die thirsty, but proved a point...the only pool player I can trust is ME.


I think I remember this book, water for elephants, right?
 

ronscuba

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You don't have to play for money to enjoy the game. I have heard that some top pros, mainly Europeans, strictly play tournaments and do not gamble, at least publicly. I like gambling for small stakes occasionally to add a little incentive to perform and make a little money but I am not comfortable with gambling for anything more than I can afford to lose, even when I had plenty of extra money.

I feel the same. I enter tournaments for competition.

I am pretty friendly with everyone and want to keep it that way. Everyone has a different $ point when it gets serious for them. Some play money games when they shouldn't.
 

GoldCrown

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Not a good feeling when your labelled a dishonest person. I wish I could go back in time and change everything. I probably would've been a much better player.

Not such a bad thing if you learned from. Makes you a better person. Cannot change the past...and it's simply a learning experience.
 
To play and compete in pool, what's your feeling. I grew up playing many sports and never played for money and had the best of times.

I feel that those who can't play their best pool just for fun, they do not really truly love the game. Some players just play for the sole purpose of money, and if they had anything else better to do, that would make them more money (or with a better % of making more money), then they would do that instead. I have known of champion players who I feel really did not have any love for the game. They were really great at it, but it was only the money that got them interested in picking up a cue. Players like that would never care to play pool for fun. So, if you truly love the game, then no, there is no need to play for money or anything. I have always really loved the game (and always played my best, even when it was just for fun), but I understand the excitement of playing for something (that always made me get much more focused about what I needed to do on the pool table). So, yeah, it is fair to say that when ever playing for something, I would be trying harder and would be more focused on the pool table. Always enjoy playing just for fun though, and never goofed off, or acted like a banger on the pool table.
 

SJDinPHX

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I feel that those who can't play their best pool just for fun, they do not really truly love the game. Some players just play for the sole purpose of money, and if they had anything else better to do, that would make them more money (or with a better % of making more money), then they would do that instead. I have known of champion players who I feel really did not have any love for the game. They were really great at it, but it was only the money that got them interested in picking up a cue. Players like that would never care to play pool for fun. So, if you truly love the game, then no, there is no need to play for money or anything. I have always really loved the game (and always played my best, even when it was just for fun), but I understand the excitement of playing for something (that always made me get much more focused about what I needed to do on the pool table). So, yeah, it is fair to say that when ever playing for something, I would be trying harder and would be more focused on the pool table. <--Point well made!..Always enjoyed playing just for fun though, and never goofed off, or acted like a banger on the pool table.

I have always loved the game..But, gambling was the main reason I was attracted to pool in the first place!..It is pretty obvious, most pool players prefer to wager on their skills, otherwise, why bother?..Fun to me, is singing in the shower, or chasing girls!...Your main goal should always be trying to overcome and destroy your opponent, (for cash or funsies) ..If it isn't, then why do we have tournaments, or the Olympics? :confused:

PS..Even as dumb as Cowboy Dennis is, he will agree with my findings! (maybe) :cool:
 
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