Do you know what happens to your cue inside your case?

OK good for you. I don't even want to wear my seat belt. No one is arguing the protection, read that again. The fact is and John saw it, that the shafts touched in his fall. So where was the protection you're talking about?

So let me ask you, while you're playing do you wrap foam around your cue in case you bump it into the table, or on the bottom of the chair, or someone knocks it over, *gasp* unprotected. You'll do more to ding or damage your cue playing than you ever will in a case during transport or everyday usage.

John, there you go, foam playing cue condoms, run with it buddy.

JV

trob said:
this to me is the equivalent of someone saying don't put the airbags in my car because the odds are I'll never need them so why bother with the extra protection lol The only people who are arguing this are the justice fan boys who feel it's degrading a precious justice case by putting some simple padding in it. I am and always will worry more about what i use to play this game then a piece of leather and plastic that I use to protect them and carry them around.
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Now your being silly ..were talking about a case which you buy to protect your cues. the only person that would tear down the video desperately searching for something to make jack look right are the fan boys.


classiccues said:
OK good for you. I don't even want to wear my seat belt. No one is arguing the protection, read that again. The fact is and John saw it, that the shafts touched in his fall. So where was the protection you're talking about?

So let me ask you, while you're playing do you wrap foam around your cue in case you bump it into the table, or on the bottom of the chair, or someone knocks it over, *gasp* unprotected. You'll do more to ding or damage your cue playing than you ever will in a case during transport or everyday usage.

John, there you go, foam playing cue condoms, run with it buddy.

JV
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If the video is inaccurate, is that important? Oh good, I could say that the only people supporting john are nuthuggers, but we'll let that go because some of my friends would be on that nuthugging list.

Let me ask you, if someone made a case, to put your case and cues in, for extra protection, would you buy it? A case, case if you will.

JV

trob said:
Now your being silly ..were talking about a case which you buy to protect your cues. the only person that would tear down the video desperately searching for something to make jack look right are the fan boys.
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cueaddicts said:
Lol......Earl could probably use a new endorsement deal.
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We could call them Trojan Foamies... play pool and don't worry about that butt sleeve.

Think of the marketing shirts...
Wrap it before you play with it
Stroke a Trojan wrapped stick
Don't damage your stick, strap on a Trojan

I am sure Trojan won't be happy.. but hey..

JV
 
classiccues said:
If the video is inaccurate, is that important? Oh good, I could say that the only people supporting john are nuthuggers, but we'll let that go because some of my friends would be on that nuthugging list.

Let me ask you, if someone made a case, to put your case and cues in, for extra protection, would you buy it? A case, case if you will.

JV
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The video is ONLY a demonstration of what's happening. It's not a statement of accuracy only a show of the motion inside of three cases, one with no padding, one with a little bit of padding and one with a lot more padding.

Of those the interior with a lot more padding clearly outperformed the other two and the tube case.

And an anomaly was discovered by you, thank you, which will be corrected in future interiors. As I said we don't stand still and if we discover a problem it's fixed immediately.
 
John,
Now that something was found you're backpeddling. YOU have used this video to show how much better your interiors are than everyone elses. YOU have shoved this video down everyones throat, including the people at the SBE. When in fact, your case allowed the collars to make contact. The contact you claim in case 2 is unseen. Because from watching the video, they move but hit each other with the fabric inbetween.

Clearly outperformed, stop it, it outperformed number one, but from watching the video, clearly case 2 didn't allow collar to collar contact. No one can say whats happening 4 inches down because no one can see it.

Your own video betrayed you.

JV



JB Cases said:
The video is ONLY a demonstration of what's happening. It's not a statement of accuracy only a show of the motion inside of three cases, one with no padding, one with a little bit of padding and one with a lot more padding.

Of those the interior with a lot more padding clearly outperformed the other two and the tube case.

And an anomaly was discovered by you, thank you, which will be corrected in future interiors. As I said we don't stand still and if we discover a problem it's fixed immediately.
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I know that when I decide to spend the money on a "good" case, its gonna be a JB.
 
Protection is good, that's why I didn't have any unplanned kids.

As far a a case goes, I either strap one over the handlebars of a bike, or set it in a sidecar, and off to the races.

I either use an older Porper, or a tube style (Fellini, Engles, George, etc.). Years ago I used an old Brunswick case without a lining, just stuffed a rag down it to keep the cue from rattling.

I don't believe that a case has damaged my cues, even when it's bouncing around in the sidecar. I like the Fellini style case, but I guess if we video taped one falling in slow motion I would be scared to death.
 
classiccues said:
John,
Now that something was found you're backpeddling. YOU have used this video to show how much better your interiors are than everyone elses. YOU have shoved this video down everyones throat, including the people at the SBE. When in fact, your case allowed the collars to make contact. The contact you claim in case 2 is unseen. Because from watching the video, they move but hit each other with the fabric inbetween.

Clearly outperformed, stop it, it outperformed number one, but from watching the video, clearly case 2 didn't allow collar to collar contact. No one can say whats happening 4 inches down because no one can see it.

Your own video betrayed you.

JV
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Please, the video did not betray me. For someone so obese you really can reach.

If I wanted to doctor it then I would have simply left off the drop test at 9.57

In total we showed 13 drop tests with JB interiors. 13 of them CLEARLY show that the cues do not touch and are well secured. 1 of them shows a fraction of a second's contact MAYBE. Still hard to tell because of the shadows.

But since I did a squeeze test today and found that indeed with enough pressure it's possible to get a tiny bit of contact I will grant you the one instance out of 13 where there might be a tiny bit of contact.

Contrast that to all the other examples using the other two interiors and the cues were either hitting the sidewalls or hitting the sidewalls AND each other. As well with the multi-tube case the cue parts were hitting the sides repeatedly and even spinning inside the tubing EVERY time.

So if you consider that out 13 drop tests one tiny touch to be a failure then that's truly a shame because possible tiny touch is like a gentle kiss and not like a punch and it can be easily prevented. And furthermore it would require just the precise hit with the lid open to compress enough to make the shafts touch as it is. But in a few days even that will be impossible.

Here are all the video times where our interior was drop tested:

.41 No touching
1.20 No touching
2.09 No touching
2.55 No Touching
4.45 No touching
5.29 No touching
6.25 No touching
6.45 No touching
7.14 No touching
7.30 No touching
7.50 No touching
9.87 Possibly Touching
10.11 No touching.

As a reminder 14 seconds of slow motion video here is equal to one second of real time.

So here is the exact sequence and the whole thing happens in 3/100ths of second in slow motion and remember that is takes 14 seconds to equal ONE second in real time.

So the exact time of contact IF there is contact actually happened would be 1/1400th of ONE SECOND. Or expressed another way the cues touched for a 1400th of a second if they actually touched at all.

Here is the sequence:

Minutes:Seconds:100ths of a second in SLOW MOTION

9:57:00 - case hits rail and begins to compress




9:57:01 - Case at full compression - possible touching - unclear



9:57:02 - Case releasing compression - no touching



9.57:03 - Case fully released - no further touching after several bounces.

 
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Maxx said:
Protection is good, that's why I didn't have any unplanned kids.

As far a a case goes, I either strap one over the handlebars of a bike, or set it in a sidecar, and off to the races.

I either use an older Porper, or a tube style (Fellini, Engles, George, etc.). Years ago I used an old Brunswick case without a lining, just stuffed a rag down it to keep the cue from rattling.

I don't believe that a case has damaged my cues, even when it's bouncing around in the sidecar. I like the Fellini style case, but I guess if we video taped one falling in slow motion I would be scared to death.
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The Fellini is well protective with the heavy felt liner and efficient use of space.

Only cases which allow the cues to rattle are not very protective in my opinion. I don't see any reason why cues should be allowed to rattle and ever beat against the sides of the plastic tube with no cushion or only a tiny bit of cushioning.

Cues are generally built tough these days but I think nearly every cue maker will tell you that they should be protected from lateral hits as much as possible.
 
JB Cases said:
The Fellini is well protective with the heavy felt liner and efficient use of space.

Only cases which allow the cues to rattle are not very protective in my opinion. I don't see any reason why cues should be allowed to rattle and ever beat against the sides of the plastic tube with no cushion or only a tiny bit of cushioning.

Cues are generally built tough these days but I think nearly every cue maker will tell you that they should be protected from lateral hits as much as possible.
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A Fellini fully loaded does, depending on the cue, hold them pretty snug. they won't even slide out by themselves. However if I just have one shaft the protection may not be as good. Your video, I believe, shows the case fully loaded; what happens if their is just one butt and one shaft in it?

You may have mentioned this already, but wouldn't your liner protect better if it was taller, leaving less of the cue ends exposed?
 
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trob said:
Now your being silly ..were talking about a case which you buy to protect your cues. the only person that would tear down the video desperately searching for something to make jack look right are the fan boys.
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First of all, I always love the fanboys and haters bullsh*t. For every Justis "fanboy", there is a JB "fanboy". Case and point... you are clearly a JB "fanboy". And there is nothing wrong with that at all. Jon makes a great case. But... you can't really go after someone else for liking something else when you're doing the same thing. Right?

Second of all... you don't buy a case to protect your cues. You buy a case to transport your cues and to store them at the end of the day. The ultrapad interior is great but I still can't get over how many people are so scared of putting their cues in another case with less or no padding. What are you people doing with your cases? Throwing them out the windows of moving cars???
 
inside my case i have a breeding program going on, i'm trying to cross bread a Prewitt with a SW at the moment , if i'm lucky i'll get twins. Thats whats going on inside my case.
 
The best line of defense is to not abuse your stuff. If you can't avoid that, my case is for the cases of just in case... Pun intended...

If some asshat knocks my case over, out of my hand etc., it's nice to know my $5-15k in cues I might be carrying aren't going to get damaged. Not to mention if you have something that truly cant be replaced like a cue that has a couple generations on it, or in my case a cue that is named after and completed the same day my son was born. I don't even have a dog in this fight as I use a Volturi Case. He uses a padded interior, and I will do my best to never drop this piece of art, but on the off chance I do I know it's protected. That's what matters to me. If I had the chance at the right price to own a case from either I would jump on it just to own the art these guys have created.

I think any one that has a Justice has something truly special because of who Jack is, and what he's done over his lifetime. The same can be said about John Barton. What seems absurd to me is all this bickering. As if having one vs. the other is a bad thing? Like any one on here would turn down a case for free from either of these guys.

best,

Justin Hanson
 
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