Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
No one has ever stated that adjustments do not occur in CTE. What is true is that adjustments are based on known shots.

For example, if I know a 15 inside, then a little side spin can easily be based on center ball for that 15 I shot.

Stan Shuffett

Everything you just described is wholly or largely based on feel as is the case with the majority of what you describe in other explanations or videos about CTE. The whole system from top to bottom has tons of feel all throughout its various steps, and feel IS many of the steps. You are just absolutely dead set against ever using that word for some reason. Almost all aspects of CTE require copious amounts of feel which has been admitted by all the vocal advocates of CTE including yourself many times but always in more round about ways (like above) and always by avoiding the specific word "feel" like the plague (like above).

Why everybody on the CTE side of the debate is so absolutely scared of that word is the question, but it certainly isn't because it is an inaccurate word choice. Quite the contrary. It is the word that not only most accurately describes a lot of the steps involved in CTE, but it would also allow you to explain it better and for people to catch on and understand it better and want to give it a try. Without realizing it you are shooting yourself in the foot by refusing to acknowledge the feel involved in the system and by refusing to use the name for "estimation based on experience" that pool players are used to, understand, and relate to. You would have far more interest if you did.

Feel is essentially just "estimation based on experience". Some appear to have better talent for it than others, but all get better at estimating whatever it is with experience. Feel is used extensively in every pool system in the world including ghost ball and fractional aiming systems, because no system can accurately account for squirt, swerve, cut or spin induced throw, shafts with differing deflection properties, etc. Even the process of getting the aim/shot line itself even before adjusting for all of these other factors involves some feel in every system in the world including CTE (although unlike CTE some of them do give the correct theoretical shot line on paper prior to accounting for these variables).

In your example, you only know a "15 inside" because of feel. You are able to estimate a shot as being a 15 inside because of experience. Feel IS estimation based on experience. That is you using feel. It is no different than a fraction aiming system user who recognizes (estimates) say a 3/8ths ball overlap shot based on feel (their experience). Your description of "a little side spin" is again, a feel thing. Everything in your system that is "estimation made more accurate by experience" is feel and should be called for what it is.

Like every other aiming system in the world, your system cannot even get the correct theoretical aiming/shot line in real life without using some feel. And once you have that then you have to use even more feel on top of that to adjust away from that initial theoretical shot line that is actually incorrect because of all the variables involved in that particular shot (squirt, swerve, spin and cut induced throw, the deflection properties of your shaft at the bridge length you are using for that shot, etc) so you can then finally arrive at the correct actual shot line that will then pocket the ball on that particular shot based on your experience.

If you would market your system in a more honest and straight forward fashion, you would eliminate most of your "haters" (even though they aren't haters at all and just want to see honest marketing from you or anyone else), and probably even more importantly to you at least, I think you would find that more people would be more open and receptive to trying your system because they would understand it more, relate to it more, and not see it as just some hocus pocus fairy tale stuff and be turned off by it like most currently are because of all the false confusing claims and descriptions.

Something like the following marketing claim would not only be much closer to accurate but would also generate the most interest and receptiveness from the broad pool playing public IMO: "CTE is a system of steps that for some people allows your natural feel to be able do a better job with its shot making, resulting not only in increased shot making accuracy but more confidence". And when describing particular steps of the system, just be honest and say things like "you will develop a feel for the correct amount or type of pivot, or a feel for the correct amount of english, or a feel for what alignment will work best for a particular shot through experience as you use the system more and more".
 
John,

Did you ever think that painting with such a wide brush causes some 'attitude' where perhaps such did not exist prior or had died down only to be stirred up by you OR... is this just one of those subconscious out of control hot button pushings.

I & I doubt that PJ, Satorie, Lou or anyone here on AZB would do anything to keep another from getting better.

Best Wishes.

Then why do they campaign so hard to convince people not to try CTE or other aiming systems?

I, as many others here, are completely and totally about people getting better and I have written many, many things in this vein.

OTOH, I, and many others here, also don't want people to get worse. To waste precious practice time by going down a rabbit hole to no good end. And there are those of us here that believe that some systems, put out with the best of intentions, could conceivably cripple a player's game for life if they were to some how take the bait, hook, line, and sinker.

Because folks disagree does not make them knockers or haters or wish ill on other players. To the contrary.

Lou Figueroa

Yet you cannot and will not PROVE that these methods will cripple someone. It's amazing that you go to such an extreme as to make the statement that you think a system tried could cripple a player's game for life. How crippled is Landon Shuffett's game? Do you want any part of that kid in any game?

No you don't because at the age of 21 he will ROB you in every pool game known. Including your beloved straight pool. His father brought him up immersed in CTE, Landon spent time at Hal's house learning Hal's methods.

You have flat out accused Stan Shuffett of being a con man who sells snake oil. Thing is that he wasn't selling anything but lessons UNTIL you guys knocked him so much he decided to make a DVD. Then you accused him of intentionally leaving information out of the DVD so as to make people have to buy lessons.

If the rules were applied you would have been banned many times for your ad hominem and negative attacks and harassment.

The whole thread since JB got involved has been a bait n switch , I thought that's why we don't have aiming discussions in the main forum


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Bait and switch how? The poll topic is "Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?"

Those of us who use aiming systems are discussing it from the "uses a system" standpoint. You and several others have been on the attack. Perhaps you should consider that if you didn't get involved the thread would peter out fairly quickly as a bunch of aiming nerds talk shop.

But when YOUR premise is that aiming systems and ESPECIALLY CTE are snake oil then you just can't leave it alone can you?

You will say anything to try and save that one poor hapless player from "crippling his game for life" by trying out CTE as a way to aim. Anything so the poor guy doesn't get led down the wrong path.........

All the positive testimonials from players who did adopt aiming systems and reported improvement mean nothing to you, just deluded shills who have no self-awareness.

Try it one time just staying OUT of a thread like this, you, PJ, Satori, Ron Thaiger Swanson, English, etc... just stay out and watch the thread run it's course and go away once the questions have been answered.
 
You and I think alike (as we knew previously). Banking and kicking are not really aiming per se, per this discussion. Thats why I was so intrigued to know what could possibly be a candidate other than ghost ball, or fractions. Thanks for saying what I was thinking.

You are an oaf. I used self deprication as a trap and you took the opportunity to show the world how great you are. PS learn to use multi quote. Its a basic forum ability.

This is pretty much where I stand on this. I do respect Stan and Hal. I think the world of Landon's talent. I even somewhat respect John, for his commitment, but not his "enthusiasm". but as Ive said, there is NO less than 50 hour explanation that makes sense.

Also agree. I think the John and Lou show should be curtailed. Its quite obvious neither has the power to let something go, and moderation should be doled out accordingly. I would propose a no fly zone, between the 2. And why this is here baffles me.

Seriously? No one invited Lou. Why should we let anything go anyway? As long as we are on topic who cares if we like each other?

And for me, I don't care if you don't respect me for anything. CTE works and that's all there is to it. Everyone can hold their own beliefs but they can't avoid facts. Factually on the pool table CTE works and works like a champion. That's the bottom line here.

No knocker can prove that it doesn't. They don't even try to go at it visually and break down why they think it doesn't work.

Now you have Lou saying he knocks CTE because he "believes" that it will cripple a player's game for life, or "could conceivably" do so. REALLY?

This is a pool forum. Knocking people who just want to help others get better is just plain nitty.
 
Everything you just described is wholly or largely based on feel as is the case with the majority of what you describe in other explanations or videos about CTE. The whole system from top to bottom has tons of feel all throughout its various steps, and feel IS many of the steps. You are just absolutely dead set against ever using that word for some reason. Almost all aspects of CTE require copious amounts of feel which has been admitted by all the vocal advocates of CTE including yourself many times but always in more round about ways (like above) and always by avoiding the specific word "feel" like the plague (like above).

Why everybody on the CTE side of the debate is so absolutely scared of that word is the question, but it certainly isn't because it is an inaccurate word choice. Quite the contrary. It is the word that not only most accurately describes a lot of the steps involved in CTE, but it would also allow you to explain it better and for people to catch on and understand it better and want to give it a try. Without realizing it you are shooting yourself in the foot by refusing to acknowledge the feel involved in the system and by refusing to use the name for "estimation based on experience" that pool players are used to, understand, and relate to. You would have far more interest if you did.

Feel is essentially just "estimation based on experience". Some appear to have better talent for it than others, but all get better at estimating whatever it is with experience. Feel is used extensively in every pool system in the world including ghost ball and fractional aiming systems, because no system can accurately account for squirt, swerve, cut or spin induced throw, shafts with differing deflection properties, etc. Even the process of getting the aim/shot line itself even before adjusting for all of these other factors involves some feel in every system in the world including CTE (although unlike CTE some of them do give the correct theoretical shot line on paper prior to accounting for these variables).

In your example, you only know a "15 inside" because of feel. You are able to estimate a shot as being a 15 inside because of experience. Feel IS estimation based on experience. That is you using feel. It is no different than a fraction aiming system user who recognizes (estimates) say a 3/8ths ball overlap shot based on feel (their experience). Your description of "a little side spin" is again, a feel thing. Everything in your system that is "estimation made more accurate by experience" is feel and should be called for what it is.

Like every other aiming system in the world, your system cannot even get the correct theoretical aiming/shot line in real life without using some feel. And once you have that then you have to use even more feel on top of that to adjust away from that initial theoretical shot line that is actually incorrect because of all the variables involved in that particular shot (squirt, swerve, spin and cut induced throw, the deflection properties of your shaft at the bridge length you are using for that shot, etc) so you can then finally arrive at the correct actual shot line that will then pocket the ball on that particular shot based on your experience.

If you would market your system in a more honest and straight forward fashion, you would eliminate most of your "haters" (even though they aren't haters at all and just want to see honest marketing from you or anyone else), and probably even more importantly to you at least, I think you would find that more people would be more open and receptive to trying your system because they would understand it more, relate to it more, and not see it as just some hocus pocus fairy tale stuff and be turned off by it like most currently are because of all the false confusing claims and descriptions.

Something like the following marketing claim would not only be much closer to accurate but would also generate the most interest and receptiveness from the broad pool playing public IMO: "CTE is a system of steps that for some people allows your natural feel to be able do a better job with its shot making, resulting not only in increased shot making accuracy but more confidence". And when describing particular steps of the system, just be honest and say things like "you will develop a feel for the correct amount or type of pivot, or a feel for the correct amount of english, or a feel for what alignment will work best for a particular shot through experience as you use the system more and more".

NO. CTE does NOT REQUIRE COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF FEEL.

It requires none to extremely little feel to use the eyes to align the body to the center to edge line. No feel is required to use the eyes to find the second line and align to that. No feel is required to then come down into the shot from the aligned body position, which is offset to the shot line.

Any feel that is present is SO SMALL as to be practically nonexistent for a seasoned CTE user. Any adjusting is so slight that it's not even noticeable.

You all need to stop OR you need to get several cameras and go to Stan's house and film him from every angle and analyze the video in super slow motion and show the world where the "feel" is.

Oh you mean the FEEL is subconscious and you can't show what's happening in Stan's mind as he goes from approaching the table to down on the shot???? You can't see it, you can't measure it, you can't film it yet you INSIST that it is there. And you dare to call those of us who use this method EVERY DAY deluded?
 
Pool shooting match for the gelt.

Seriously? No one invited Lou. Why should we let anything go anyway? As long as we are on topic who cares if we like each other?
And for me, I don't care if you don't respect me for anything. CTE works and that's all there is to it. Everyone can hold their own beliefs but they can't avoid facts. Factually on the pool table CTE works and works like a champion. That's the bottom line here.
No knocker can prove that it doesn't. They don't even try to go at it visually and break down why they think it doesn't work.
Now you have Lou saying he knocks CTE because he "believes" that it will cripple a player's game for life, or "could conceivably" do so. REALLY?
This is a pool forum. Knocking people who just want to help others get better is just plain nitty.
Mister Barton
I have read a few comments on here about a pool match for cash that took place between you and the Lou guy.
Was the match a video that can be seen somewhere on line?
(I tried youtube and all I got was some silly cartoon)
I would really like to see this match if it is available.
Can you or anyone else help me with this?
Thank you.
 
Mister Barton
I have read a few comments on here about a pool match for cash that took place between you and the Lou guy.
Was the match a video that can be seen somewhere on line?
(I tried youtube and all I got was some silly cartoon)
I would really like to see this match if it is available.
Can you or anyone else help me with this?
Thank you.

If it is still there it will be on Ustream on the Sandcastle channel. I downloaded as much of it as I could and think I got it all and will be posting the whole match at some point.

Here you go. Nine hours of what not to do while playing one pocket.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45041838
 
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Watch this video in slow motion. Youtube has a setting in the player where you can slow it down to 1/4 speed. If you want to you can download the videos and then watch them in various other players at an even slower speed. If you have a Samsung phone (and probably any android phone) you can record in slow motion. So you can slow this video down on YT and then record the video on your phone in slomo and get super slow mo.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE show where the "feel" is happening here. The shooter looks at the balls and gets down on the exact shot line every time in ALL of his videos. How is this possible unless he has some kind of method that is guiding him? If all by feel, copious amounts as claimed by one guy above, it would seem uncanny that this guy would so consistently find the right shot line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3ypwuxLw8

HERE - he shoots 15 shots WITHOUT A MISS -

WITH A CURTAIN IN THE WAY. Where is the feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhJu94UhGg

Here he shoots 10 bank shots into the side with a curtain in the way. Please show where the feel is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g
 
Seriously? No one invited Lou. Why should we let anything go anyway? As long as we are on topic who cares if we like each other?

And for me, I don't care if you don't respect me for anything. CTE works and that's all there is to it. Everyone can hold their own beliefs but they can't avoid facts. Factually on the pool table CTE works and works like a champion. That's the bottom line here.

No knocker can prove that it doesn't. They don't even try to go at it visually and break down why they think it doesn't work.

Now you have Lou saying he knocks CTE because he "believes" that it will cripple a player's game for life, or "could conceivably" do so. REALLY?

This is a pool forum. Knocking people who just want to help others get better is just plain nitty.
I agree. Nobody invited Lou. He came in as soon as he saw you. Thats one of my points. That needs to stop. But while he was here, I happened to agree with a couple of his points. What also needs to stop is the whole tirade you just typed out to me, talking to me, but really just knocking Lou. I get you have differences. I respect that.

There is some good points made by both sides, but most of it is pollution from a couple people that cant let anything go.

As for CTE, I am open to knowledge, but CTE knowledge aint transferring via forum explanations. Chalk me up for a copy of the book.
 
You all need to stop OR you need to get several cameras and go to Stan's house and film him from every angle and analyze the video in super slow motion and show the world where the "feel" is.

Oh you mean the FEEL is subconscious and you can't show what's happening in Stan's mind as he goes from approaching the table to down on the shot???? You can't see it, you can't measure it, you can't film it yet you INSIST that it is there. And you dare to call those of us who use this method EVERY DAY deluded?

You can't "see the feel" in a video of any player, even a player who admits using feel and only feel to aim. Just what do you think you would see?

The fact is you can't make all pool shots from the extremely limited set of definitive shot angles that CTE provides. That is indisputable fact. And CTE users get all those in between shot angles by feel (experience), same as those who aren't using any system at all except feel to begin with.

If you don't agree, precisely explain all the CTE steps involved to get you to where you are exactly on the correct shot line for a 57 degree cut to the left where the cue ball is two feet away from the object ball and the object ball is five feet away from the pocket and you shoot it at lag speed. There is a "formula" if no feel is involved, and you would be able to give the formula/all the steps involved so precisely that everyone would clearly understand them, everyone who followed the steps would all be doing the exact same thing (because there is not enough vagueness wiggle room in the description for people to be able to do different things or use their feel), and everyone who followed the steps and actually tried it on the described shot would pocket that ball (assuming they stroke straight). If for some reason you feel you need to be able to see the shot to do it (you shouldn't have to), then use a tape measure and a protractor and actually set it up on a table so you can see it.

Now give me the steps for a 23 degree cut to the right, object ball six feet from the pocket, cue ball four feet from the object ball and hit at a speed that would send the cue ball up and down the table five times.

Everyone in the world can then take a protractor and a yard stick and set up those exact same shots and try it themselves using your very precise and understandable instructions that don't allow for any feel or leeway in doing things differently and see for themselves if it actually pockets those balls or not.

I predict one of two things. Instructions that are vague enough that it leaves room for anyone following them to be able to do things differently and be able to use their feel to adjust a bit to pocket the balls, or a whole bunch of people shooting those balls into rails. Actually my third prediction is most likely, which is you won't bother to even try because you know it is not a precise system that doesn't have lots of feel involved and therefore there is no precise formula or instructions that would work and you aren't going to prove me right by making up some and putting it on here and will instead come up with made up excuses that you can't since people see differently and this and that and the other.

I won't even ask you for the CTE formula if you have to add left or right english to either of the above shots because your side already (finally) agreed that if you are using english you have to adjust by feel which of course means that you aren't in any better position that if you were using only feel to begin with. And since the average person probably has english on 75% of their shots, then even by your side's own admissions they would see no benefit that 75% of the time.
 
You can't "see the feel" in a video of any player, even a player who admits using feel and only feel to aim. Just what do you think you would see?

The fact is you can't make all pool shots from the extremely limited set of definitive shot angles that CTE provides. That is indisputable fact. And CTE users get all those in between shot angles by feel (experience), same as those who aren't using any system at all except feel to begin with.

If you don't agree, precisely explain all the CTE steps involved to get you to where you are exactly on the correct shot line for a 57 degree cut to the left where the cue ball is two feet away from the object ball and the object ball is five feet away from the pocket and you shoot it at lag speed. There is a "formula" if no feel is involved, and you would be able to give the formula/all the steps involved so precisely that everyone would clearly understand them, everyone who followed the steps would all be doing the exact same thing (because there is not enough vagueness wiggle room in the description for people to be able to do different things or use their feel), and everyone who followed the steps and actually tried it on the described shot would pocket that ball (assuming they stroke straight). If for some reason you feel you need to be able to see the shot to do it (you shouldn't have to), then use a tape measure and a protractor and actually set it up on a table so you can see it.

Now give me the steps for a 23 degree cut to the right, object ball six feet from the pocket, cue ball four feet from the object ball and hit at a speed that would send the cue ball up and down the table five times.

Everyone in the world can then take a protractor and a yard stick and set up those exact same shots and try it themselves using your very precise and understandable instructions that don't allow for any feel or leeway in doing things differently and see for themselves if it actually pockets those balls or not.

I predict one of two things. Instructions that are vague enough that it leaves room for anyone following them to be able to do things differently and be able to use their feel to adjust a bit to pocket the balls, or a whole bunch of people shooting those balls into rails. Actually my third prediction is most likely, which is you won't bother to even try because you know it is not a precise system that doesn't have lots of feel involved and therefore there is no precise formula or instructions that would work and you aren't going to prove me right by making up some and putting it on here and will instead come up with made up excuses that you can't since people see differently and this and that and the other.

I won't even ask you for the CTE formula if you have to add left or right english to either of the above shots because your side already (finally) agreed that if you are using english you have to adjust by feel which of course means that you aren't in any better position that if you were using only feel to begin with. And since the average person probably has english on 75% of their shots, then even by your side's own admissions they would see no benefit that 75% of the time.

Post the shot and I will tell you the CTE solution for it.

Our side has ALWAYS said that when side spin is used that the system does not cover that. From the very beginning this has been said.

So yeah with spin there is a tiny bit of feel used, but it's a tiny bit because the CTE gives the exact centerball shot line to the shooter to adjust from as needed.

Post the shot.
 
Watch this video in slow motion. Youtube has a setting in the player where you can slow it down to 1/4 speed. If you want to you can download the videos and then watch them in various other players at an even slower speed. If you have a Samsung phone (and probably any android phone) you can record in slow motion. So you can slow this video down on YT and then record the video on your phone in slomo and get super slow mo.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE show where the "feel" is happening here. The shooter looks at the balls and gets down on the exact shot line every time in ALL of his videos. How is this possible unless he has some kind of method that is guiding him? If all by feel, copious amounts as claimed by one guy above, it would seem uncanny that this guy would so consistently find the right shot line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht3ypwuxLw8

HERE - he shoots 15 shots WITHOUT A MISS -

WITH A CURTAIN IN THE WAY. Where is the feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhJu94UhGg

Here he shoots 10 bank shots into the side with a curtain in the way. Please show where the feel is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY0tp_UnS_g

...................
 
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE show where the "feel" is happening here. The shooter looks at the balls and gets down on the exact shot line every time in ALL of his videos. How is this possible unless he has some kind of method that is guiding him? If all by feel, copious amounts as claimed by one guy above, it would seem uncanny that this guy would so consistently find the right shot line.

Eh? This makes no sense. Watch any snooker player get down on a shot; watch any good player who doesn't use an aiming system get down on the shot: they get down on the exact shot line because they've done it countless times before. That's how you get good at the game.
 
I won't even ask you for the CTE formula if you have to add left or right english to either of the above shots because your side already (finally) agreed that if you are using english you have to adjust by feel which of course means that you aren't in any better position that if you were using only feel to begin with. And since the average person probably has english on 75% of their shots, then even by your side's own admissions they would see no benefit that 75% of the time.

Actually, CTE users have been in agreement for years that feel/adjustments are used when applying side spin.
 
Everything you just described is wholly or largely based on feel as is the case with the majority of what you describe in other explanations or videos about CTE. The whole system from top to bottom has tons of feel all throughout its various steps, and feel IS many of the steps. You are just absolutely dead set against ever using that word for some reason. Almost all aspects of CTE require copious amounts of feel which has been admitted by all the vocal advocates of CTE including yourself many times but always in more round about ways (like above) and always by avoiding the specific word "feel" like the plague (like above).

Why everybody on the CTE side of the debate is so absolutely scared of that word is the question, but it certainly isn't because it is an inaccurate word choice. Quite the contrary. It is the word that not only most accurately describes a lot of the steps involved in CTE, but it would also allow you to explain it better and for people to catch on and understand it better and want to give it a try. Without realizing it you are shooting yourself in the foot by refusing to acknowledge the feel involved in the system and by refusing to use the name for "estimation based on experience" that pool players are used to, understand, and relate to. You would have far more interest if you did.

Feel is essentially just "estimation based on experience". Some appear to have better talent for it than others, but all get better at estimating whatever it is with experience. Feel is used extensively in every pool system in the world including ghost ball and fractional aiming systems, because no system can accurately account for squirt, swerve, cut or spin induced throw, shafts with differing deflection properties, etc. Even the process of getting the aim/shot line itself even before adjusting for all of these other factors involves some feel in every system in the world including CTE (although unlike CTE some of them do give the correct theoretical shot line on paper prior to accounting for these variables).

In your example, you only know a "15 inside" because of feel. You are able to estimate a shot as being a 15 inside because of experience. Feel IS estimation based on experience. That is you using feel. It is no different than a fraction aiming system user who recognizes (estimates) say a 3/8ths ball overlap shot based on feel (their experience). Your description of "a little side spin" is again, a feel thing. Everything in your system that is "estimation made more accurate by experience" is feel and should be called for what it is.

Like every other aiming system in the world, your system cannot even get the correct theoretical aiming/shot line in real life without using some feel. And once you have that then you have to use even more feel on top of that to adjust away from that initial theoretical shot line that is actually incorrect because of all the variables involved in that particular shot (squirt, swerve, spin and cut induced throw, the deflection properties of your shaft at the bridge length you are using for that shot, etc) so you can then finally arrive at the correct actual shot line that will then pocket the ball on that particular shot based on your experience.

If you would market your system in a more honest and straight forward fashion, you would eliminate most of your "haters" (even though they aren't haters at all and just want to see honest marketing from you or anyone else), and probably even more importantly to you at least, I think you would find that more people would be more open and receptive to trying your system because they would understand it more, relate to it more, and not see it as just some hocus pocus fairy tale stuff and be turned off by it like most currently are because of all the false confusing claims and descriptions.

Something like the following marketing claim would not only be much closer to accurate but would also generate the most interest and receptiveness from the broad pool playing public IMO: "CTE is a system of steps that for some people allows your natural feel to be able do a better job with its shot making, resulting not only in increased shot making accuracy but more confidence". And when describing particular steps of the system, just be honest and say things like "you will develop a feel for the correct amount or type of pivot, or a feel for the correct amount of english, or a feel for what alignment will work best for a particular shot through experience as you use the system more and more".

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Spider:
Hal [Houle] jerked both you and PJ around on the forum and personal phone calls
lol. Delusional as ever.

Hal Houle pushed his "3 Angles" fractional system for years online, claiming over and over that three cut angles was all you need to make every shot. Maybe he (eventually) realized how wack that is and came up with this "I'm really just pranking everybody on the Internet" story, maybe you did - but Stan adds a few dance steps to the same nonsense (making it even more nonsensical) and you're all aboard again.

In 5 years or so you'll be saying Stan was just goofing on us all. Who's really being pranked here?

lol

pj
chgo
 
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Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
John,

Did you ever think that painting with such a wide brush causes some 'attitude' where perhaps such did not exist prior or had died down only to be stirred up by you OR... is this just one of those subconscious out of control hot button pushings.

I & I doubt that PJ, Satorie, Lou or anyone here on AZB would do anything to keep another from getting better.

Best Wishes.

Then why do they campaign so hard to convince people not to try CTE or other aiming systems?...............

I & they do NOT do that. That is just you making a false assertion just as there are false assertion made regarding CTE. We just do not want others, anyone to be pulled into trying it based on those false assertions. How many times have I said that anyone that wants to buy & try CTE should certainly do so but do so KNOWING that the assertion about it being a totally objective 'system' has neither been proven nor unproven?

As I've pointed out before, you have a large penchant for painting with a very wide brush & seem to have little regard for the actual facts of matters. You want to & do put your slant on almost everything in a way that distorts the facts of matter.

................Try it one time just staying OUT of a thread like this, you, PJ, Satori, Ron Thaiger Swanson, English, etc... just stay out and watch the thread run it's course and go away once the questions have been answered.

How about YOU try staying out & watch the threads run their course. You can't. You had to come back from a self dug grave to take up the banner.

Why?

Some of us have our opinions of the real answer & it's not to pass on Hal's or Stan's work.

IMO, It's because you enjoy the tit for tat & boost it gives you from the feeling you get when you think you have bested someone with your words. You should have become an entertainer using words instead of high diving & then literary license with the matter of facts would be acceptable.

I'll say it again.

Anyone that wants to buy & try CTE should certainly do so but should do so KNOWING that the asserstion of it being a totally objective 'system' has not been proven nor unproven.

Best Wishes to ALL.
 
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That's why it's called gambling

lol. Delusional as ever.
Hal Houle pushed his "3 Angles" fractional system for years online, claiming over and over that three cut angles was all you need to make every shot. Maybe he (eventually) realized how wack that is and came up with this "I'm really just pranking everybody on the Internet" story, maybe you did - but Stan adds a few dance steps to the same nonsense (making it even more nonsensical) and you're all aboard again.
In 5 years or so you'll be saying Stan was just goofing on us all. Who's really being pranked here?
lol
pj
chgo
Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong abilities, I see.
There are actually FOUR CTE angles. These will handle every makeable shot on a pool table
15 degree, 30 degree, 45 degree, and 60 degree.
If these won't give a 'dead on' analysis....then play safe or blast at it and hope for the best.
Gambling's like that, you know. At times, the edge odds justify drawing two cards to a flush.
 
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