Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

[stan shuffett]

And which languages is it being published in?

You know the answer to that......for my videos.

The current plan for my book is to expand beyond the English language.

Stan Shuffett

 

[ENGLISH!]

That would make too much sense. CTE's "visuals" are defined as the alignment that's a pivot off of the true shot line - even for exact "aimpoint" cuts. Since the story is that CTE systematically "takes you to" this pre-pivot alignment (with an overcut!), to say it isn't always necessary would be admitting that's a subjective alignment.

pj
chgo

I hear you & we know & agree.

 

[stan shuffett]

Please present one shot that represents a normally aspired center pocket shot for the visuals minus any pivot......keep it simple....use a 15 or a 30....

I marked that possibility off my list of CTE questions many years ago.

Stan Shuffett

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rick, to be fair (I hope) to the CTE method and to what Straightpool_99 has been saying, when your head is in such a position that you're "taking in" both the cte line as well as the other appropriate reference line (edge to A,B,C), you're now facing the cueball "squarely." That is, if you imagine the cueball as two dimensional, your vision center is directed perpendicularly at that two dimensional disk. You then move into the shot with the cue 1/2 tip offset and parallel to a line running from your vision center through the center of that disk. If the shot actually calls for a 30 degree cut, for instance, the line from your vision center through the center of the disk will never point at the edge of the object ball because of the influence of the other reference line during your initial setup.

Of course - and if any of the CTE group agrees with what I just said, this will end it - the process of "taking in" or acquiring the two reference lines must be variable and memorized to cover all possible cut angles and CB-OB separation distances.

Jim

Hi Jim,

I am totally with you in your 1st. paragraph & have known that from the beginning of my time with CTE.

Now for your closing paragraph, I understand the need for which you speak but do understand how the 'objective' visual can be objectively influenced by any thing to get those variations that ARE needed. Hence that would & must come from one's own individual subjective perception & 'file cabinet' based on either past experience or that garnered while utilizing CTE.

Am I correct or did I miss something in your explanation?

Thanks in Advance & Best 2 Ya,
Rick

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Dan White:
...say the ETA/CTE visual will pocket the ball if you do no pivot.
...you have chosen the wrong visuals if you can't do the pivot and still make the shot.

In order to "choose the visual" that's a pivot away from the actual shot line, you must know, at least subconsciously, what the actual shot line is - so you can line up off it and pivot back to it. The pivot is an extra unnecessary step whose sole function seems to be to make it possible to pretend that you're not doing all this the usual way... by feel (with some assistance from fractional reference angles).

pj
chgo

 

[ENGLISH!]

No ..from your post you seem to have some common sense.

Hi Anthony,

Where have you been?

Yes Dan certainly seems to have common sense & more, unlike some others.

Best 2 Ya.

 

[Neil]

In order to "choose the visual" that's a pivot away from the actual shot line, you must know, at least subconsciously, what the actual shot line is - so you can line up off it and pivot back to it. The pivot is an extra unnecessary step whose sole function seems to be to make it possible to pretend that you're not doing all this the usual way... by feel (with some assistance from fractional reference angles).

pj
chgo

Pat, you stumbled onto something nearer the truth than what you have been saying, but still far out in left field. What's odd, is that you and the others have been given the answer to your questions, but totally dismiss them and laugh at them without even giving them any due consideration.

I'll say it one more time, your perception of the shot gets you the rough aim line for the shot. The visuals and pivot fine tune that rough line to center pocket.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You ask the question, but your previous video provided the answer...Experimenting with setups such as these was what lead me to discard the system. My results were r inconsistent, that is to say they were REALLY consistent only not in pocketing the ball in the center every time as claimed.

The claim is that the visual is different for 5 paralell shots with the same distance between object ball and cue ball, only using the balls as visual cues. This happens due to a process that has never been properly explained in a manner which can be understood, because it is impossible. If you are somehow to use the balls position relative to the rails etc, this has never been mentioned in any video or post I've ever seen.

:thumbup2::thumbup2::thumbup2:

I put a few phrases in bold & enlarged them. I hope you do not mind.

 

[stan shuffett]

In order to "choose the visual" that's a pivot away from the actual shot line, you must know, at least subconsciously, what the actual shot line is - so you can line up off it and pivot back to it. The pivot is an extra unnecessary step whose sole function seems to be to make it possible to pretend that you're not doing all this the usual way... by feel (with some assistance from fractional reference angles).

pj
chgo

Your strategy is based on others not knowing CTE.....and in this manner you attempt to lead others astray with your intentionally false material. Or you are simply not very studied-up on CTE, Because nearly everything that comes out of your mind is absolutely dead wrong about CTE.......

i think you are risking others getting on to your game.....there are indications of just that.

Be careful what you say........because CTE is not always going to be up in the air as you are thinking.....it is going to come down. Bottom line: CTE is real!

Stan Shuffett

 

[Neil]

You ask the question, but your previous video provided the answer...Experimenting with setups such as these was what lead me to discard the system. My results were r inconsistent, that is to say they were REALLY consistent only not in pocketing the ball in the center every time as claimed.

The claim is that the visual is different for 5 paralell shots with the same distance between object ball and cue ball, only using the balls as visual cues. This happens due to a process that has never been properly explained in a manner which can be understood, because it is impossible. If you are somehow to use the balls position relative to the rails etc, this has never been mentioned in any video or post I've ever seen.

Don't know where you are getting that claim from to start with. I don't believe Stan has ever said that. Close, but not just what you said. He has stated that he doesn't need to know exactly where the pocket is. That is a vastly different statement than the one you just made above.

 

[ENGLISH!]

You are keen on the phrase TOTALLY OBJECTIVE. I challenge YOU to locate where I used that specific phrasing. And if you can locate those two words credited to me, then let's look at its contextual meaning.

I stand by my phrasing that I have always had in place on justcueit, my website, concerning the objectivity of CTE PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett

Sir,

Are you implying by your words here, in this post, that your CTE/Pro1 is NOT a totally objective system at it's core?

Thanks in Advance for a simple Yes or No reply.

 

[stan shuffett]

Sir,

Are you implying by your words here, in this post, that your CTE/Pro1 is NOT a totally objective system at it's core?

Thanks in Advance for a simple Yes or No reply.

CTE core equals EXTREME OBJECTIVITY.

I stand by my phrasing that is on my website that has been in place for years.

CTE PRO ONE is the most objective aiming system in the game. PERIOD!!

Stan Shuffett

Now please locate that phrasing that you are trying to tag me with.

 

[cookie man]

Can we have a Wei table of CTE ?
Like the different shots and some explanation ?
I'm serious.
Wouldn't that make it a little easier ?

The doubters wouldn't use it. The fact is they can't post a single shot cte doesn't work with. They would rather play word games.

 

[cookie man]

In order to "choose the visual" that's a pivot away from the actual shot line, you must know, at least subconsciously, what the actual shot line is - so you can line up off it and pivot back to it. The pivot is an extra unnecessary step whose sole function seems to be to make it possible to pretend that you're not doing all this the usual way... by feel (with some assistance from fractional reference angles).

pj
chgo

And you say you understand the system better than most,lol.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I'll say it one more time, your perception of the shot gets you the rough aim line for the shot. The visuals and pivot fine tune that rough line to center pocket.

I agree with that. And I agree that CTE could be a workable framework within which to do that - although way too elaborate and fanciful for my taste.

I just don't buy the storyline that it's any less dependent on common memory-based "feel" aiming than other methods - and I think its fantastical claims are anti-instructional.

I like the idea of a pivot (of some kind) for what I think it really does: places the cue on the final shot line in a deliberate and measured way. I think it has little to do with actually finding the shot line.

I can see value in other parts of CTE too, but not usually the value that CTE claims.

pj
chgo

 

[ENGLISH!]

CTE core equals EXTREME OBJECTIVITY.

I stand by my phrasing that is on my website that has been in place for years.

CTE PRO ONE is the most objective aiming system in the game. PERIOD

Stan Shuffett

Now please locate that phrasing that you are trying to tag me with.

Sir,

I politely thanked you in advance for a simple yes or no answer.

Can you please respond to my earlier question with either a simple yes or a no?

Again, Thanks in Advance.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Can we have a Wei table of CTE ?
Like the different shots and some explanation ?
I'm serious.
Wouldn't that make it a little easier ?

cookie man:
The doubters wouldn't use it. The fact is they can't post a single shot cte doesn't work with. They would rather play word games.

Translation: "I don't have a clue how to do that."

pj <- speaking of word games
chgo

 

[duckie]

CTE core equals EXTREME OBJECTIVITY.

I stand by my phrasing that is on my website that has been in place for years.

CTE PRO ONE is the most objective aiming system in the game. PERIOD!!

Stan Shuffett

Now please locate that phrasing that you are trying to tag me with.

Yep seeing edges on things where edges do not exist is surely objective.

Until you can put CTE on paper as I have done with ghost ball contact patch, it will never be objective only subjective.

Ghost ball contact patch I have developed from Babe Cranfields idea of the Spot on the table even helps with adjustment, CTE does not.

CTE does not provide any idea bout which direction to move the CB when a adjustment is needed.....ghost ball contact patch does.

CTE does not provide any idea about how distance from the pocket effects the amount of adjustment that can be made...

CTE lacks the basic geometry of a shot.

The issue has never been that it works for some, it has always been these types of marketing statements and that all they are.....misleading marketing statements.

Give a free dvd to a apa 2 and I'll do the same with ghost ball contact patch to another apa 2 and lets see which one of these apa2 stick with....my bet is my ghostball contact patch.

 

[cookie man]

Yep seeing edges on things where edges do not exist is surely objective.

Until you can put CTE on paper as I have done with ghost ball contact patch, it will never be objective only subjective.

Ghost ball contact patch I have developed from Babe Cranfields idea of the Spot on the table even helps with adjustment, CTE does not.

CTE does not provide any idea bout which direction to move the CB when a adjustment is needed.....ghost ball contact patch does.

CTE does not provide any idea about how distance from the pocket effects the amount of adjustment that can be made...

CTE lacks the basic geometry of a shot.

The issue has never been that it works for some, it has always been these types of marketing statements and that all they are.....misleading marketing statements.

Give a free dvd to a apa 2 and I'll do the same with ghost ball contact patch to another apa 2 and lets see which one of these apa2 stick with....my bet is my ghostball contact patch.

Since you are stating what you think are facts about CTE, please explain what knowledge of CTE you have. Do you have the dvd? Have you had personal instruction? Have you watched Youtube videos? Did you spend any significant table time with CTE?

 

[stan shuffett]

Sir,

I politely thanked you in advance for a simple yes or no answer.

Can you please respond to my earlier question with either a simple yes or a no?

Again, Thanks in Advance.

YOUR QUESTION IS ANSWERED!

It is on my website and always has been.

Stan Shuffett