Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
John,

Studs in these parts are 16" on center.

That's the problem when you start with a false premise. You wind up with a bad &/or false conclusion.

I thought you said you were through with this thread.

Best Wishes.

Good point. So if you START with a KNOWN premise, studs are 16" center to center for example, then you have an objective reference to start with.

Same as with the CTE line.

I changed my mind when I saw something worth addressing.
 
Sure, what you see is an example of a player who was off the air and full of adrenaline. That magnified my worst stroke habits. It is a PERFECT example of how to screw up a perfectly good aiming system with a bad stroke and bad form.

He was off something, that's for sure.
 
Good point. So if you START with a KNOWN premise, studs are 16" center to center for example, then you have an objective reference to start with.

Same as with the CTE line.

I changed my mind when I saw something worth addressing.

But... one does not know from which end of the wall the carpenter started measuring. So... if one starts out without enoughtrue information, one's first shot at finding that first stud is based on conjecture & the first attempt at driving a nail into a stud could be a complete miss. However if one just knocks on the wall one will FEEL where studs actually are.

This is yet another example of how off the wall so many of your analogies are & how deceptive they can be regarding the actual issues at hand.

If you returning was a possibility then why make the VERY LARGE announcement that you were done? There is no need to respond. I think I have a good idea as to the answer.

Best Wishes.
 
Sure, what you see is an example of a player who was off the air and full of adrenaline. That magnified my worst stroke habits. It is a PERFECT example of how to screw up a perfectly good aiming system with a bad stroke and bad form.

John,

If the 'system'/method gives one so much confidence as you say that it does then none of that should ever be the case.

Best Wishes.
 
But... one does not know from which end of the wall the carpenter started measuring. So... if one starts out without enoughtrue information, one's first shot at finding that first stud is based on conjecture & the first attempt at driving a nail into a stud could be a complete miss. However if one just knocks on the wall one will FEEL where studs actually are.

This is yet another example of how off the wall so many of your analogies are & how deceptive they can be regarding the actual issues at hand.

If you returning was a possibility then why make the VERY LARGE announcement that you were done? There is no need to respond. I think I have a good idea as to the answer.

Best Wishes.

There is always a stud in the corner. Thats where the carpenter starts his measurement from. The outside edge and works towards the center and back out to the edge.
 
There is always a stud in the corner. Thats where the carpenter starts his measurement from. The outside edge and works towards the center and back out to the edge.

And if the room is not an exact multiple of the distance, like 16" the 'last stud will be closer than 16" & the 2nd. to 'last' farther than 16".

If you do not mind me asking, what is or was your occupation?

Best Wishes.
 
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Too bad this discussion wasn't held in person... this would have been enjoyable to watch. The side action would have gotten out of hand.
 
John,

If the 'system'/method gives one so much confidence as you say that it does then none of that should ever be the case.

Best Wishes.

Well, I will be happy to let you play on your own 10k and see how you do in that situation. As Mike Tyson said having a plan is great until you get punched in the face.

Point is for me I used CTE when I played Lou and my form was shit. However I did make some great shots that even Pat Fleming commented on at the end. If I would have been calm and cool from the beginning I am sure it would have been a much different match. But when you're in the box you just have to do what you can with whatever is going on in your head and make the best of it.

Funny thing about your comment above is that you are sure putting a lot more on the AIMING aspect of pool than it can carry. Aiming is just the first thing you do as a player, after that comes execution and that has to be just right or the best aiming in the world won't get you very far. And this is what we have said from the beginning and continue to say.

Aiming right doesn't guarantee that I will stroke the ball straight down the line, it doesn't mean I won't short stroke it, or lunge forward or jump up, or do the cha cha in the middle of the stroke. It doesn't mean that I won't dog it when adding spin or any number of other things that can happen between aiming and moving the cueball.

Why don't you recuse yourself from the thread for a while?

Let me and Lamas and Dan and a few others who are genuinely interested in dissecting CTE do that. Instead of infecting it with negativity let us do our thing for a while instead of running in with a bat we have to dodge every other post.

Do you think that this is something you could consider?
 
Having your life threatened before a match would do that

Yeah, that may have been an issue for a game or two, but if the 'system' is objective & gives one confidence as he says that it does, then he should have rebounded & finished better. Instead, he got worse.

It's this sort of thing that CJ talks about regarding TOI. It takes the pressure & even the attention OFF of aiming. It's either CTC or CTE & the rest is dynamic feel or calibration of the dynamics.

I'm not saying it is better for all...at all. They are two totally different types of methods.
 
But... one does not know from which end of the wall the carpenter started measuring. So... if one starts out without enoughtrue information, one's first shot at finding that first stud is based on conjecture & the first attempt at driving a nail into a stud could be a complete miss. However if one just knocks on the wall one will FEEL where studs actually are.

This is yet another example of how off the wall so many of your analogies are & how deceptive they can be regarding the actual issues at hand.

If you returning was a possibility then why make the VERY LARGE announcement that you were done? There is no need to respond. I think I have a good idea as to the answer.

Best Wishes.

Yes you can knock on the wall and feel for it of course. That "feel" method is always available. However when you use measurements based off of known values then you can generally get damn close to the stud and verify it with a little tap.

Dude chill out, Bill Stroud said he would take me up a $1000 a shot bet and Pat made a statement that is not at all correct as to how CTE works. I needed to respond to both of those statements.

You guys are way too anal sometimes. You want to attack the person rather than dissect the method. All that brain power wasted on insults and character attacks which could have been used to demonstrate your assertions on the table for discussion. I mean how cool would it be if the folks doing the "virtual knocking" would just go to the table with a video camera and knock it there, showing the places that they think it doesn't work? Then we could have something VISUAL to discuss.

For example any one who wants to can duplicate Dan White's analysis with better software and see if they come up with the same conclusion. The FACT that Dan spent some time to do it is fantastic whether he is ultimately right or wrong.

More of that please and less of the nastygrams would be awesome.
 
Well, I will be happy to let you play on your own 10k and see how you do in that situation. As Mike Tyson said having a plan is great until you get punched in the face.

Point is for me I used CTE when I played Lou and my form was shit. However I did make some great shots that even Pat Fleming commented on at the end. If I would have been calm and cool from the beginning I am sure it would have been a much different match. But when you're in the box you just have to do what you can with whatever is going on in your head and make the best of it.

Funny thing about your comment above is that you are sure putting a lot more on the AIMING aspect of pool than it can carry. Aiming is just the first thing you do as a player, after that comes execution and that has to be just right or the best aiming in the world won't get you very far. And this is what we have said from the beginning and continue to say.

Aiming right doesn't guarantee that I will stroke the ball straight down the line, it doesn't mean I won't short stroke it, or lunge forward or jump up, or do the cha cha in the middle of the stroke. It doesn't mean that I won't dog it when adding spin or any number of other things that can happen between aiming and moving the cueball.

Why don't you recuse yourself from the thread for a while?

Let me and Lamas and Dan and a few others who are genuinely interested in dissecting CTE do that. Instead of infecting it with negativity let us do our thing for a while instead of running in with a bat we have to dodge every other post.

Do you think that this is something you could consider?

John,

Are you serious?

Most of that is a crock.

How about You first & then I'll change my mind as you have about this thread & returning to AZB.

You like percentages. I'd say that only 1% of anything that you've said relates to getting to the bottom of CTE & 99% has been about PROMOTING CTE.

Dan, Lamas & other, yes. You... no way.

Best Wishes.
 
Yes you can knock on the wall and feel for it of course. That "feel" method is always available. However when you use measurements based off of known values then you can generally get damn close to the stud and verify it with a little tap.

Dude chill out, Bill Stroud said he would take me up a $1000 a shot bet and Pat made a statement that is not at all correct as to how CTE works. I needed to respond to both of those statements.

You guys are way too anal sometimes. You want to attack the person rather than dissect the method. All that brain power wasted on insults and character attacks which could have been used to demonstrate your assertions on the table for discussion. I mean how cool would it be if the folks doing the "virtual knocking" would just go to the table with a video camera and knock it there, showing the places that they think it doesn't work? Then we could have something VISUAL to discuss.

For example any one who wants to can duplicate Dan White's analysis with better software and see if they come up with the same conclusion. The FACT that Dan spent some time to do it is fantastic whether he is ultimately right or wrong.

More of that please and less of the nastygrams would be awesome.

You're getting very much like another on AZB...DUDE!

You too want to play on that one way street called hypocrisy that has no mirrors anywhere on it.

Distortions, etc.

Again, VIDEO can NOT prove anything with regard to things that are 'abstract' in their nature.

Going in the direction that you want things to go it merely a diversion & distraction. Smoke & mirrors.

Interesting in other regards but not as to the core nature of just what that is for CTE.

Please see post 1744.

Best Wishes.
 
Yeah, that may have been an issue for a game or two, but if the 'system' is objective & gives one confidence as he says that it does, then he should have rebounded & finished better. Instead, he got worse.

It's this sort of thing that CJ talks about regarding TOI. It takes the pressure & even the attention OFF of aiming. It's either CTC or CTE & the rest is dynamic feel or calibration of the dynamics.

I'm not saying it is better for all...at all. They are two totally different types of methods.

Game or two, or maybe the whole time the guy is there. That bad relationship has went on for quite a while
 
You know...

For every one of the guys that insults me either directly or in 'veiled' manners, I have PMs to just the opposite.

Best Wishes to ALL.
 
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