Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
Would the subforum also be open to civil discussion if the evidence led to the possibility that CTE didn't really work as stated?

Well that would be the WHOLE purpose of it. TO figure out WHY it works or doesn't work as stated with as much analytical proof as anyone interested can provide. There are many very smart people on this forum. But if it's a war of words then nothing gets solved because all people see is a wall of words and that wall is covered in the grafitti of incivility.

CTE might not work at all like Stan or me or any person who uses it beneficially thinks it does. But it can't be just ignored that it DOES WORK.

As I and others have said, the practical results are what matters in the end. I mean if we end up finding out as best we can determine that it IS subconscious adjustment guided by a conscious fine tuning then I would be the first one to stand up and say GREAT. Doesn't change anything in terms of how well it works.

But if we found out that indeed there is a hard mechanical reason why it works so well then I would also say GREAT because while it doesn't change how well it works it would mean that we could probably continue to refine it and even create other methods based on that mechanical understanding.
 
Well then I'm going to make a video of your video showing my video of Stan's video. What do you think about that? :thumbup:

I'll be interested to see what you come up with. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just remember that Stan already admitted to stroking with a swoop. He said he did that to counteract excessive throw from stunning the shot.

I can come up with a couple of other examples of the same swoop if the one in my video isn't clear.

Put them all up. As I said when any of us put any video out there as a demonstration or proof of concept then those videos are in the public sphere to be analyzed.

I put up videos all the time about my cases and also do comparison videos with other case brands. I fully expect to be criticized and have my videos torn apart and if I can't adequately defend my position then I need to make corrections or get out of the business.

Stan is my friend and he has poured a lot of study into this. But he is still a human being and as such he could be wrong about WHY and HOW something works even as he knows and can demonstrate that it DOES work.

Early scientists and astronomers often made observations and drew conclusions that were accurate but were wrong about the underlying cause of the phenomena they discovered. Subsequent generations, sometimes hundreds of years later, would discover the ACTUAL cause without in any way invalidating the original discovery and conclusions drawn. This is actually quite common and DEPENDS on the willingness of the curious to delve into topics and verify them.
 
Hall of Famer Pat Fleming, a world class player in his own right, thought enough of them to mention them.

What no one cares about is your opinion on anything pool-related. From you knocking John Brumback's DVD price to you knocking everything else no one cares because you are a super nobody. The amount of people you influence with your posts here is statistically zero.

The amount of people Stan, John Brumback, and even myself have influenced through our efforts is tens of thousands.

Even though I lost to Lou I am proud of myself for stepping to the plate and taking a shot. I know what I did wrong and it has made me a better player. I did what you can only dream about while you are hiding behind your second fake name. I know trolling is fun, one of my friends is a master troll and gets his jollies winding people up. I get why it's addictive to people like you. So keep on trolling Tim if it's what makes you happy.

Doesn't change a thing about what's real and the fact that ALL of your words are devoid of any meaningful content or influence.

Just for you I included the ADVERT below. :-)

Aww, just for lil ole me? :wub:

How am i trolling? I'm telling you straight, you make yourself look daft by boasting about the odd good shot in a veritable torrent of shit.
 
Aww, just for lil ole me? :wub:

How am i trolling? I'm telling you straight, you make yourself look daft by boasting about the odd good shot in a veritable torrent of shit.

Yeah, was terrible, so bad that I managed to win six games in a race to nine playing the worst of my life. There was more than a few good shots.

Again, HALL OF FAMER, Pat Fleming thought enough of the shot making to compliment me on them and that means a lot coming from the guy who has seen more professional pool than anyone on the planet.
 
As I said earlier, even an analysis video can be made improperly by design or innocently.

I think you should refer to Colin's video where he DELIBERATELY swoops from a dead nuts perfect shot line and makes the ball anyway. A player can THINK he is shooting dead straight down the line and have cue movement that doesn't really matter to the outcome of the shot.

OR a player can be aimed totally wrong as I demonstrate in this video and deliberately use a body english/swooping technique to gear the object ball in. (what is really happening is that the swooping is throwing the cueball into the ghostball position even though the cue is not aimed anywhere close to the GB line.)

https://youtu.be/TKCDjPgtCwE?list=PLSKV5CK_fziXC5F0oQJJ-yV7pAtT334y9

So while I agree with you that if we do NOT accept the premise that the shooter is telling the truth about using XYZ system then it's impossible to discern that he is or is not. If we accept the premise that he is though then of course we can TRY to analyze the whole process from approach to execution using the video provided. And if a player says his stroke is straight and video shows it's not then that is a flat fact that must be addressed.

But it is NOT proper to automatically assign cause to that. The XYZ method was used and the shooter adopted a line given and the shot was taken and the stroke was not straight is all you know after identifying that fact. You don't know WHY the stroke was not straight. For that we need more data and more people trying to duplicate the setup and aiming using the same method and even other methods.

For example Dan it would be awesome to have the tables marked in such a way that the shooter can't see the markers but the camera can. Say something under the rail that has clear intervals marked like Dr. Dave tapes to the rail in some of his videos.

With this in place we could see clearly where each person's body and bridge hand goes in relation to the table using whatever method they claim to use and overlay them to figure out which method seems to direct the shooter to the shot line accurately most often.

This is the kind of stuff I would love to see instead of the jumping to conclusions based on little data and one person. But it's a great start nonetheless and really productive for the conversation.

I am compiling a list of "knockers" who refuse to do what you have done. I am going to ask Mike Howerton for a section where we can discuss this and put up the diagrams and videos and video analysis without being molested every other post. I respect these people's right to voice their opinion but they have done enough of that over the years and now I'd love it if they kept their non-productive opinions out so that the discussions could turn to a really good dissection of CTE by as many people as possible who will make great contributions in the form of videos and diagrams that offer dialog intended to bring everyone to a better understanding of the actual nuts and bolts and springs that make this method work.

Quite a few of us anti pool/knocker/hater/troll types :rolleyes: have said we'll keep out of it if you go down that route. Should have happened years ago.
 
Put them all up. As I said when any of us put any video out there as a demonstration or proof of concept then those videos are in the public sphere to be analyzed.

I put up videos all the time about my cases and also do comparison videos with other case brands. I fully expect to be criticized and have my videos torn apart and if I can't adequately defend my position then I need to make corrections or get out of the business.

Stan is my friend and he has poured a lot of study into this. But he is still a human being and as such he could be wrong about WHY and HOW something works even as he knows and can demonstrate that it DOES work.

Early scientists and astronomers often made observations and drew conclusions that were accurate but were wrong about the underlying cause of the phenomena they discovered. Subsequent generations, sometimes hundreds of years later, would discover the ACTUAL cause without in any way invalidating the original discovery and conclusions drawn. This is actually quite common and DEPENDS on the willingness of the curious to delve into topics and verify them.

Goodness.

And what did Einstein say was the definition of insanity again?
 
Yeah, was terrible, so bad that I managed to win six games in a race to nine playing the worst of my life. There was more than a few good shots.

Again, HALL OF FAMER, Pat Fleming thought enough of the shot making to compliment me on them and that means a lot coming from the guy who has seen more professional pool than anyone on the planet.

You cling to those crumbs of comfort if you wish, but, as i say, it makes you look daft.

As far as I'm aware, no one has made a photo montage of your 'great' shots...
 
You cling to those crumbs of comfort if you wish, but, as i say, it makes you look daft.

As far as I'm aware, no one has made a photo montage of your 'great' shots...

I'd invite you to a two man $10,000 entry event but it would be like clubbing a baby seal IF we could ever even ascertain your true identity Tim.

With your snooker technique you ought to easily outshoot me in a one pocket match.

No one made any montage of any shots, just my expressions after shooting. I am pretty sure some of the shots made prior to those expressions were good ones.

I was animated, so what? Go make a montage of Alex Higgins' expressions and body movements. Or Keith McCready's.... so what?

Pool doesn't have be robotic. What you saw was a guy playing for $10,000 and making the best of it. You wouldn't step in the box for $10 so all you get to do is comment while I have the actual experience.
 
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I was animated, so what? Go make a montage of Alex Higgins' expressions and body movements.

Are you comparing yourself to Alex Higgins?

Also, Higgins won two world titles while moving on the shot. He was a great player in spite of the flaws in his technique. You are an awful player at least in part because of yours. Big difference.
 
Are you comparing yourself to Alex Higgins?

Also, Higgins won two world titles while moving on the shot. He was a great player in spite of the flaws in his technique. You are an awful player at least in part because of yours. Big difference.

The point was and is that the pictures mocking me prove nothing. If I am so awful then why don't you back Timmy Thaiger against me? You have me clocked as a player so ship him and the dough to OKC and let's get it on.

Alex Higgins was indeed a great player. But you could easily make a montage of images showing poor form and mock him.

I played horrible and still managed to get six games off someone that was supposed to wipe the floor with me. I know how I can play when I bear down and am calm and it looks nothing like that. That was me at my worst.

But hey, if all you can talk about is me then thanks for making me the focal point of YOUR life. Other than when you troll me and a choose to honor your effort with an answer I don't ever think about you or Tim. In all these years neither of you has contributed one single productive comment to this forum that I have seen. Keep up the good work boys.
 
Alex Higgins was great because the competition wasn't deep.

He'd be lucky to make the tour if he were playing in his prime today.
 
The point was and is that the pictures mocking me prove nothing. If I am so awful then why don't you back Timmy Thaiger against me? You have me clocked as a player so ship him and the dough to OKC and let's get it on.

This is one of my least favourite things about this forum. "Disagree??? Then pay to transport someone you've never met halfway across the world and BET, son! What? You don't want to? I must be right, then." AZB logic at its worst.

Alex Higgins was indeed a great player. But you could easily make a montage of images showing poor form and mock him.

You could, but he could have pointed to his world titles, his rankings, his litany of lesser titles and century breaks, and his general ability at the table. What can you point to? It's a ridiculous comparison, as I've stated already.

I played horrible and still managed to get six games off someone that was supposed to wipe the floor with me. I know how I can play when I bear down and am calm and it looks nothing like that. That was me at my worst.

Okay, good for you.

But hey, if all you can talk about is me then thanks for making me the focal point of YOUR life. Other than when you troll me and a choose to honor your effort with an answer I don't ever think about you or Tim. In all these years neither of you has contributed one single productive comment to this forum that I have seen. Keep up the good work boys.

More madness. I barely post on this forum. It is literally something I occasionally do when I'm bored... which says a lot, as this place can be tedious itself.
 
Alex Higgins was great because the competition wasn't deep.

He'd be lucky to make the tour if he were playing in his prime today.

True, but you could say that about most players from back then. You need to judge players in their own time, I think.

The competition being so much higher today also forces good players to become better, great players to become greater, etc..
 
I get your point and that's probably why Stan said it didn't matter that much, but why say it is a "precise 30 degree cut?" In fact, his first shot was an execution of a standard non-CTE half ball hit which couldn't have been made because it wasn't really a 30 degree cut. Either he didn't really aim at half ball, or he imparted outside english, or did a little of both.


It's why "the system" is so incomprehensible.

Its main practitioner says he doing one thing but is clearly doing something else and the guy at home watching has no chance of making "the system" work.

Lou Figueroa
 
The point was and is that the pictures mocking me prove nothing.


The pictures prove you are the Poster Boy for when I say CTE could possibly cripple your game for life.

Lou Figueroa
 

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