Do you want cuebuilding supplies posted in the main forum?

Do you want Cuebuilding Supplies posted in the Main Forum?

  • Change "Cue Machinery" to "Cue Machinery/Supplies."

    Votes: 97 58.4%

  • Keep Cuebuilding Supplies in the Cues section, in a NEW "Cue Parts/Supplies" category.

    Votes: 56 33.7%

  • Cuebuilding parts & supplies belong in the Main Forum's "For Sale" section only.

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • I really don't care where people post cuebuilding supplies.

    Votes: 15 9.0%
  • Total voters
    166
If AZ were to make a separate "Cue Parts/Supplies" page then I would think it should have the same "PM wholesale sources" rules that "Ask the Cuemaker" has. Then those who have things to sell themselves could post them and those searching for wholesale sources could get their answers through PMs. But I think we should leave the "Cue Machinery" and "Ask the Cuemaker" forums like they are. If supplies for sale start getting posted in large numbers in the Machinery or Cuemakers forums then the normal posts will start to disappear just like the cue supplies ad would over in the wanted and for sale section.
 
cueman said:
If AZ were to make a separate "Cue Parts/Supplies" page then I would think it should have the same "PM wholesale sources" rules that "Ask the Cuemaker" has. Then those who have things to sell themselves could post them and those searching for wholesale sources could get their answers through PMs. But I think we should leave the "Cue Machinery" and "Ask the Cuemaker" forums like they are. If supplies for sale start getting posted in large numbers in the Machinery or Cuemakers forums then the normal posts will start to disappear just like the cue supplies ad would over in the wanted and for sale section.
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Good thoughts Chris, Thanks for interjecting.

I agree on the wholesale pricing thing being done in PM if that info is to used. I know you run your own web site for your supplies but wouldn't it be nice to have someplace to possibly throw a "special" up every now and then to help create some new traffic for you and generate funds at the same time? You know like "purchase 10 wraps get one free" or what ever...just saying. All this without having to bump it 10 times a day to keep it visible to "cuemakers" whom you're trying to reach.
I would hope and/or think this section would have more of a "Hey, I have 10 feet of ferrule material I'm not going to use" or "I have 20 sticks of wood I'm not going to build cues with" type of atmosphere.

It would be an almost effortless thing to add a new section in the CUES section to allow this to happen.....this I know for a fact and I'm even willing to pay for the IT time to get it done.
 
How can something that makes so much sense be so hard to convey or convince the powers that be? Heck, with offers to cover tech time, which I'm sure is like maybe 10 minutes of work, it's really seems like a no-brainer. I could get my 8 year old neighbor to do it for a Snickers and a Coke.

Frank
 
And AZ is supposed to provide a free market place just for the cuemakers why?
Oh, and before it was posted that none of the person/persons who did not want this to be a sales site had responed - you must have missed Leonards post.
I too have bought and sold things on this site. Now we are told to do it through the buy/sale thread. OK, fine. There is a simple solution here. One of you that wants this changed should buy AZBilliards, then you can make the rules. Your expecting this to be a democracy when you have no vested interest in it. Your not paying taxes here. Your not depositing a nickel every time you post. What is here is brought to you as a free service and you could try being thankful for what you do have instead of complaining about what you don't.
Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
 
bdcues said:
And AZ is supposed to provide a free market place just for the cuemakers why?
Oh, and before it was posted that none of the person/persons who did not want this to be a sales site had responed - you must have missed Leonards post.
I too have bought and sold things on this site. Now we are told to do it through the buy/sale thread. OK, fine. There is a simple solution here. One of you that wants this changed should buy AZBilliards, then you can make the rules. Your expecting this to be a democracy when you have no vested interest in it. Your not paying taxes here. Your not depositing a nickel every time you post. What is here is brought to you as a free service and you could try being thankful for what you do have instead of complaining about what you don't.
Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
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They have created MANY other sections on this site based on public input, why should the cuemakers be treated worst than the others????? Some of those sections haven't even had a post since 12/09! They have even created a new section to play tournys online. If they can take the time to please all the others why can't they take the 10 minutes to create a section/subsection for us that for the most part, doesn't even need any monitoring from them?
Instead, they take the time to handout warnings to SOME of the people(not all I noticed) because someone who is selling machines is whining, why should he be heard if we can't? Does he carry more weight than others here? I can understand his position if he's a PAYING advertiser, but is he? If not then they are the same level as us.
It seems that the Cuemakers aren't as welcomed here as they once were, and that is to bad, for if they leave, AZ will no longer have any value, IMO.
As for the F/W section, if you read the description, it's for billiards stuff. I for one don't consider cue building supplies as 'billiards stuff' What we're talking about is wood, plastics, metal bolts, etc. To me Billiards stuff is comprised of assembled goods, ready for use, not raw materials, therefore, not suitable to be in the F/W section. Makes sense to me.....
I don't nessessarily understand your tone, but I will agree it's not a democracy, but the age old saying is true, " the squeaky wheels get the oil" If enough people ask for it and show support for it, (and even offer to pay for it) then why not do it as it benifits a group of your members. I'm sure your aware of how advertising rates are based on the number of active memberships?? And if those numbers fall, so does the rates.......
Just some of my thoughts while waiting for dinner
Dave
 
bdcues said:
Oh, and before it was posted that none of the person/persons who did not want this to be a sales site had responed - you must have missed Leonards post.
Bob Danielson
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Might want to re-read what Leonard said.....

blud said:
Cue supplies and such, should be under there own heading.
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Materials and suppliers of such, should be in it's own catagoy.

blud
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Sounds like he agrees that it should be in it's own section, at least that's how I read it.

Frank
 
And AZ is supposed to provide a free market place just for the cuemakers why?
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Bob..Although I understand where you coming from, I think you may have misunderstood the intent of what is going on. They already supply a market place so we're not asking for anything that isn't already provided. It's a very simple request is all. No one is demanding anything.

You been around long enough to see the progression of the cycle here.
Any place that produces a product for the general population to consume be it free or not, has to occasionally regroup and take a look at what it is they have put out there and see if it is still spinning top notch...ie Toyota) If it is not, one of two things generally happen..they either tweak it for perfection based on public/other input or do nothing which in this day and age is the same as moving backwards. AZB has already done this and proved that occasional tweaking the product is a better way to move forward....ie raffle section.

If you're producing a toothpick you may not have to tweak much. If you're producing a forum that is frequented by the general public that continually grows on a daily/weekly basis there are occasional adjustments that have to made to run as efficient and as simple as it should.

All that is simply being requested is a separate category for something that gets swallowed up in sea of unrelated items.

To not understand this and ignore it is simply a move in the wrong direction....IMHO.

Does any of this make any logical sense? Or should I just campaign for homecoming queen?
 
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Never having seen your legs before I have no idea of your home coming queen material or not.
I understand what you are saying, and I have given my input in the poll. My point is that AZ is under no obligation to provide you with a cuemaker specific spot to sell things. While they may have started a raffle thread, and not having read the language on that, I would think that the raffles they were intending to be posted were for charity and that that idea has long gone out the window. It does not seem that the site was ever intended as a site for cuemakers to do personal business on. Even the cue gallery section wording seems to say that the new proud owner of the cue is showing it off - not a cuemaking fishing for buyers.
So while I agree that it would be in the cuemakers best interest, and would vote for it myself, I can't see where AZ sees it in their best interest to allow it. And seeing how many posts there are in the main section everyday I don't think they will miss one or two cuemakers that stop coming here because they can't get their way.
And if you need help picking a dress....
 
bdcues said:
Never having seen your legs before I have no idea of your home coming queen material or not.
That's because I have a very strict attitude about not showing any leg on the first date.
I understand what you are saying, and I have given my input in the poll.
Thank you...I appreciate your vote and input.
My point is that AZ is under no obligation to provide you with a cuemaker specific spot to sell things.
I understand this point clearly.
While they may have started a raffle thread, and not having read the language on that, I would think that the raffles they were intending to be posted were for charity and that that idea has long gone out the window.
I could be wrong..I was once....but I believe the raffle section is a direct result of many raffles plugging up the W/FS section and to keep them visible they were being bumped numerous times in very short time span. It was a brain scam of some to hold these raffles when cues being offered for sale were not moving.

It does not seem that the site was ever intended as a site for cuemakers to do personal business on.
I agree...it probably was not. Toyota's were never intended to have their gas peddles stick and kill people either. So it got fixed...or is in the process of getting fixed.

Even the cue gallery section wording seems to say that the new proud owner of the cue is showing it off - not a cuemaking fishing for buyers.
Again...I agree...but I have never seen or heard of any cuemakers being asked to move their threads to the FS section for doing so.
So while I agree that it would be in the cuemakers best interest, and would vote for it myself,
That's the spirit we're looking for!!
I can't see where AZ sees it in their best interest to allow it.
Here I have to disagree....although the CM's are a very small group that frequent AZB in comparison to the cue dealers or just players of the game I think they are an important cog in wheel that help make the system go around.
And seeing how many posts there are in the main section everyday I don't think they will miss one or two cuemakers that stop coming here because they can't get their way.
I agree and really don't see anyone staging a walkout if some things aren't changed.


And if you need help picking a dress....
I appreciate your kind offer but I already have a closet full and just don't know which one to wear!
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All we're really doing is requesting someone take a logical look at the request for a Builders Supply FS/Trade section and understand the need for some change in an out dated system.

Thank you for your support.
 
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If there were a lot more Yellow Club Member boxes beside the names of those who want the changes, maybe AZ would have an incentive to provide that forum. Just a thought.
 
cueman said:
If there were a lot more Yellow Club Member boxes beside the names of those who want the changes, maybe AZ would have an incentive to provide that forum. Just a thought.
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It might certainly help, but Dave actually offered to pay for the IT costs, and that never hurts either...... I agree and did not even stop to look, but now that I did, I am surprised..
 
cueman said:
If there were a lot more Yellow Club Member boxes beside the names of those who want the changes, maybe AZ would have an incentive to provide that forum. Just a thought.
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Maybe a little explaination to those of which have not a clue about it? I have seen those for a long while, but as I only come to the Ask a Cuemaker section, machinery section and occasionally the cue gallery, I don't know what it is. I stay away from the main forum due to my belief that no good will come out of it.
Is it a membership fee? does it have privilages (as it seems to imply)?
What are the requirements to join? Will joining get us a seperate section as Dave is asking for, and most seem to support?


One question I have is, what's the ruling if you are selling something in your signature????? That should be a big no no, as it will be advertised in every wrong section that you post in! Unless you only post in the F/W section, but a lot of people do it, even the Mod is doing it, how can that be right? Not picking a fight, but, come on......how about leading by example. If your going to clean this up, then it should be done everywhere to everyone to be fair.
Dave
 
First time I have seen any info on becoming a club member. Always wondered what the logo meant. After reading a little on it I was happy to join. I thoroughly enjoy AZ and getting to know everyone, helping out anyone I can. I feel like $34.95 a year is fair and a great way to show appreciation for a great site. The fact that it IS a voluntary membership is a deal maker too and a very tasteful way to offer a membership. By the way, what is a senior member??? What determines that?
 
bdcues said:
Your not depositing a nickel every time you post. What is here is brought to you as a free service and you could try being thankful for what you do have instead of complaining about what you don't.
Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
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Maybe my situation is different than everyone elses but Muellers pays to have a banner at the top of the page. This is a direct result of my posting on this site. These new rule changes have affected me because every time I post a price, I get sales and, more importantly, residual sales. Those sales get logged in our system under a source code showing that that sale came directly from AZ. Now that I cannot post prices, I have noticed a drop in those sales. Quarterly, I do a cost/benefit analysis to see if my advertising dollars are well spent. I need AZ more than AZ needs me BUT AZ needs money from advertising to operate.

I love this site and want it to succeed. It seems logical that a 90-2 vote should show that the new rules were a step in the wrong direction.
 
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