Does a good cue make the player or does a good player make the cue?
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curious since it seems like you are done with this thread
whats your conclusion???
just askin
well fow what its worth heres my 2 cents
before i give you my opinion
heres a comment on a thread about measle ballss and red circle balls at one pocket .org
bill stroud of joss west fame is the writer of the post
Just so we remember
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When I was traveling with Taylor we stopped in Houston on the way West.
It was a very hot summer night and we went into the Louelle pool room. No air conditioning.
There was a dollar two dollar ring 9 ball game on the main table and Taylor asked if he could get in. They said yes.
He had a new Rambo cue in the trunk but for this game he went to the wall.
The pool room was filled with groups of people and there were only a few cues in the rack.
Taylor picked a cue and rolled it on the table. It was the most crooked cue I ever saw. It had a black ferrule that was mushroomed on one side and almost no tip.
Eddy took that cue and when the stakes were raised to 2 dollor 5 dollar he broke the game. Never missed a ball.
So if he could play with that cue I guess we all can play with whatever cue ball comes our way.
Merry Christmas to all. Hope to meet some of you at the Derby.
heres alink to the thread for anyone who wants to read it
http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6173
after all that my opinion is the indian can make any arrow work for him
but the better the arrow the better the indian can perform
however "better " doesnt always mean "more expensive"
how much does ivory help you make a ball??
before i give you my opinion
heres a comment on a thread about measle ballss and red circle balls at one pocket .org
bill stroud of joss west fame is the writer of the post
Just so we remember
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When I was traveling with Taylor we stopped in Houston on the way West.
It was a very hot summer night and we went into the Louelle pool room. No air conditioning.
There was a dollar two dollar ring 9 ball game on the main table and Taylor asked if he could get in. They said yes.
He had a new Rambo cue in the trunk but for this game he went to the wall.
The pool room was filled with groups of people and there were only a few cues in the rack.
Taylor picked a cue and rolled it on the table. It was the most crooked cue I ever saw. It had a black ferrule that was mushroomed on one side and almost no tip.
Eddy took that cue and when the stakes were raised to 2 dollor 5 dollar he broke the game. Never missed a ball.
So if he could play with that cue I guess we all can play with whatever cue ball comes our way.
Merry Christmas to all. Hope to meet some of you at the Derby.
heres alink to the thread for anyone who wants to read it
http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6173
after all that my opinion is the indian can make any arrow work for him
but the better the arrow the better the indian can perform
however "better " doesnt always mean "more expensive"
how much does ivory help you make a ball??
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This is not a new subject here But WTH
A great player can play great with a $40 cue.
A D player will play like a D player with a $10,000 cue.
That is a fact
A great player can play great with a $40 cue.
A D player will play like a D player with a $10,000 cue.
That is a fact
Lock I will repectfully disagree. The arrow is very important. I will admit to only being a fair shooter. On a good table with good balls though I can be very effective.
I have a bunch of cues. From a 63$ Players SP to my Josie SP. I play much better with the Josie and Timeless Timber shaft. It suits me and compliments my game. I know I have no real clunkers. But with the Josie I am so much more effective. Because the cue fits me. Just like custom fitted irons it does not force me to play different. It is part of me and I do not have to think about any adjustments to make a shot. Squirt and throw are automatic for me. It really does make a difference.
I will admit that the arrow is less important than the Indian. But to dismiss the arrow is just plain foolish. It does matter.
Best of holiday wishes to all.
Mark Shuman
I have a bunch of cues. From a 63$ Players SP to my Josie SP. I play much better with the Josie and Timeless Timber shaft. It suits me and compliments my game. I know I have no real clunkers. But with the Josie I am so much more effective. Because the cue fits me. Just like custom fitted irons it does not force me to play different. It is part of me and I do not have to think about any adjustments to make a shot. Squirt and throw are automatic for me. It really does make a difference.
I will admit that the arrow is less important than the Indian. But to dismiss the arrow is just plain foolish. It does matter.
Best of holiday wishes to all.
Mark Shuman
That is what this thread is about, input...
And everyone's thoughts. I have several cues, but I always shoot with a house cue. I do not ever bring a cue into the pool hall.
Now about the arrow, I just said that the person makes the cue and not the cue making the person! Both are important. But some people can shoot with any kind of cue, while others play better with their special cue. I appreciate your input very much! Thanks again. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
And everyone's thoughts. I have several cues, but I always shoot with a house cue. I do not ever bring a cue into the pool hall.
Now about the arrow, I just said that the person makes the cue and not the cue making the person! Both are important. But some people can shoot with any kind of cue, while others play better with their special cue. I appreciate your input very much! Thanks again. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Many Regards,
Lock n Load.
that's not the fact.....A player will plays like a A- or B+ Player with a 40$ cue..that's the fact...
A D player will learn quickly and grow to C player with a 1000$ cue...that's the fact
everyone who said "it's an indian and not an arrow" analogy to comment this topic is never realize how important the equipment took part of pool player game...
Okay, lets put an example....why Donnie mills play with a 2000$ Mobley ....Why Yang Ching shun and Wu Chia Ching plays with a 4000$ southwest....why Bartram plays with Dicky Neighbours ....all of them is a great player and still they find the suit equipment for them to play a game...
i want to know who gambler want to stake SVB (plays with a house cue) versus earl strickland with his cue
...i guess every one know what i'm talking about :grin-square:a good equipment is always important ...not just saying a playing cue....a breaking cue and jump cue... ..even a table is make a difference in a game. That is a fact.....That's why steve lomax can put 200$ for only his jump cue, because it's a different quality with J&J jump cue 60$...do you think every player who bought a Lomax cue is an Idiot...Do you think every player who bought a Predator shaft (200$) is an idiot. Get real
i'm not saying that a good cue that make a good player and i'm saying that a good player that can make a cue look good....
Good Player got an ability and Good cue is the right equipment for him to achieve his game....that's a fact
I would say it's a little bit of both. What I mean is that a good cue is in the hands (not eyes) of the beholder. A cue with that special hit is subjective to the person holding it, but it raises your brow when you find it and it makes you want to get to the next ball.
To master pool, you have to know how to pocket balls in every possible speed, english, distance, and banks. You have to continuously think about where to aim for every shot, no matter what cue you have; for new players the less the variables the better, so a less deflection cue might help if he forgot to make adjustment on half table length or more shots; but for very advanced players, adjustment is natural to them, but must know the cue, other wise he or she will miss few shots where english is used.
the only thing where the cue could improve a players game is when the cue is perfectly matched to the players preferences; taper, tip diameter, weight, balance etc
im not a good player but i know that i feel much more comfortable with my cue than for example with a cue with an 11mm diameter
more comfort=more consistency=better results
for the rest id say a good player, used to whatever stick, will nearly always win against an inferiror player (example? Earl beat up everyone using a cuetec
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im not a good player but i know that i feel much more comfortable with my cue than for example with a cue with an 11mm diameter
more comfort=more consistency=better results
for the rest id say a good player, used to whatever stick, will nearly always win against an inferiror player (example? Earl beat up everyone using a cuetec
)the only thing where the cue could improve a players game is when the cue is perfectly matched to the players preferences; taper, tip diameter, weight, balance etc
im not a good player but i know that i feel much more comfortable with my cue than for example with a cue with an 11mm diameter
more comfort=more consistency=better results
for the rest id say a good player, used to whatever stick, will nearly always win against an inferiror player (example? Earl beat up everyone using a cuetec
I add, Earl looses also, because he thinks playing with his special cue, he should never miss a shot, but he does!
OK I should just flip back to the main forum, But I cant.
Earl loses because he thinks what??????????
He loses because he is human. I will leave it at that
purely up to the individual
pro's are not different than anybody else.
you'll get some that don't know sh** about cues or tips and don't really care that much.
you'll get some that are enamored with what equipment they use.
in the end, it's all about suitability.
pro's are not different than anybody else.
you'll get some that don't know sh** about cues or tips and don't really care that much.
you'll get some that are enamored with what equipment they use.
in the end, it's all about suitability.
DoubleD, another winner post!
You put it where everyone could get it. In several different ways and words. I thank you very much for your great input. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
You put it where everyone could get it. In several different ways and words. I thank you very much for your great input. Happy Holidays to you and your family.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
My opinon only Earl shoots well when he is able to use his shaft at pivot point; Other than that, He makes mistakes other pro players rarely make; it is possible, he does not practice enough on other type tables, or there is a part in pool science he does not really know, or he resist change and keep using high deflection cues, and try to judge aim but miss at times.
suit vs cue
Money spent on lessons would be far more cost effective than money spent on the cue.
However, in a society as superficial as ours, the suit might very well make the man.
I remember driving my pick up truck to a scholarly conference. The parking attendant insisted that deliveries were received in the back. When I told him that I was delivering a paper, security had to intervene to resolve the conflict.
My paper was well received because I was wearing a nice sport jacket & turtle neck. Things would have probably gone even better if I was wearing a tie.
Money spent on lessons would be far more cost effective than money spent on the cue.
However, in a society as superficial as ours, the suit might very well make the man.
I remember driving my pick up truck to a scholarly conference. The parking attendant insisted that deliveries were received in the back. When I told him that I was delivering a paper, security had to intervene to resolve the conflict.
My paper was well received because I was wearing a nice sport jacket & turtle neck. Things would have probably gone even better if I was wearing a tie.
In my experience the answer is yes to both. Like a lot of players that have played for a long time, you tend to collect multiple cues over the years of play. And I can say that I have a very nice but small collection of beautiful fine custom cues.
What I have learned over my years of play is that a good quality cue can make a difference in the quality of play that a player can perform at. My first cue was a Steve Mizerak Adams cue. Over a year later I replaced that cue with a Schon that was considerably better than my Adams. And I played that cue for several years until I had an opportunity to purchase a Phillipi. I can tell that there was a world of difference between how my Schon felt when I played and how the Phillipi felt when I played it. For me the Phillipi was like discovering a whole new world of sensitive feel of hit and of control. After adopting that cue as my main playing cue, I immediately went on a tear and won 7 bar tournaments in a row. The Phillipi gave me a level of confidence that my Schon could never match. So for me, the right cue gave me increased sense of hit, control and confidence that helped me to raise my game to another level.
The right kind of cue can help a player to be a stronger and better player. That does not mean though that you have to spend a boat load of money to find that cue. It just means you need to spend quality time to test hit a bunch of cues to find the cue that can make a difference in how you feel with your hit and in turn that can help increase a players confidence.
Now as a player advances in their game skills, you can get to a point that no matter what cue you have in your hand, you can still play a strong game. I certainly can play confidently no matter which cue I am playing with. I have a Runde cue that is a very nice looking cue, and I will pull it out to play with on occassion. But for sense of hit, and the confidence that brings to me, it still does not compare to my Phillipi. Design wise I have never been crazy about how my Phillipi looks. But I would never give up that cue for anything because of how it feels when I stroke the balls, and the confidence it imbues to me.
I used to work in a billiard supply store and did so for over 10 years. I sold hundreds of cues over those years, from Players to Robinsons and everything in between. I never found a Players cue that could ever rival the quality of hit that matched my Phillipi. But I could certainly get the job done at my level of play. On the other hand the basic beginners that were just starting out could never tell any difference in quality between a Players and my Phillipi cue when given an opportunity to compare. The beginners could never tell the difference in hit, in design or in construction quality. So for them, a Players cue worked just as well as anything else that they could buy.
It takes time for the beginner to learn and experience the differences in cues, and how the cue impacts on their game. The issue of cue selection and impact on a player's game skills I would say shouldnt come into play until a player reaches the intermediate stage of their skill development. Where they have invested the time to get a handle on the basics of their stroke, their basic shotmaking ability and to where they have learned how to pay attention to their own sense of hit with their cue. At that point then a player can begin to consider advancing the quality of their playing cue. Until then I feel that dealing with the idea of cue selection is a bit of wasted effort.
David "Glamour Dave" Nienow
What I have learned over my years of play is that a good quality cue can make a difference in the quality of play that a player can perform at. My first cue was a Steve Mizerak Adams cue. Over a year later I replaced that cue with a Schon that was considerably better than my Adams. And I played that cue for several years until I had an opportunity to purchase a Phillipi. I can tell that there was a world of difference between how my Schon felt when I played and how the Phillipi felt when I played it. For me the Phillipi was like discovering a whole new world of sensitive feel of hit and of control. After adopting that cue as my main playing cue, I immediately went on a tear and won 7 bar tournaments in a row. The Phillipi gave me a level of confidence that my Schon could never match. So for me, the right cue gave me increased sense of hit, control and confidence that helped me to raise my game to another level.
The right kind of cue can help a player to be a stronger and better player. That does not mean though that you have to spend a boat load of money to find that cue. It just means you need to spend quality time to test hit a bunch of cues to find the cue that can make a difference in how you feel with your hit and in turn that can help increase a players confidence.
Now as a player advances in their game skills, you can get to a point that no matter what cue you have in your hand, you can still play a strong game. I certainly can play confidently no matter which cue I am playing with. I have a Runde cue that is a very nice looking cue, and I will pull it out to play with on occassion. But for sense of hit, and the confidence that brings to me, it still does not compare to my Phillipi. Design wise I have never been crazy about how my Phillipi looks. But I would never give up that cue for anything because of how it feels when I stroke the balls, and the confidence it imbues to me.
I used to work in a billiard supply store and did so for over 10 years. I sold hundreds of cues over those years, from Players to Robinsons and everything in between. I never found a Players cue that could ever rival the quality of hit that matched my Phillipi. But I could certainly get the job done at my level of play. On the other hand the basic beginners that were just starting out could never tell any difference in quality between a Players and my Phillipi cue when given an opportunity to compare. The beginners could never tell the difference in hit, in design or in construction quality. So for them, a Players cue worked just as well as anything else that they could buy.
It takes time for the beginner to learn and experience the differences in cues, and how the cue impacts on their game. The issue of cue selection and impact on a player's game skills I would say shouldnt come into play until a player reaches the intermediate stage of their skill development. Where they have invested the time to get a handle on the basics of their stroke, their basic shotmaking ability and to where they have learned how to pay attention to their own sense of hit with their cue. At that point then a player can begin to consider advancing the quality of their playing cue. Until then I feel that dealing with the idea of cue selection is a bit of wasted effort.
David "Glamour Dave" Nienow