Does anyone know this shot?

The Grinder

The Grinder

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I Have seen Jayme Goodwin & Richie Richeson both make this shot and I have tried it numerous times with no success. They banked the ball straight back at about 600 miles per hour. The ball was frozen or extremely close to it and the cue ball was straight on. I assume you would use high right, but I am not sure.

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The Grinder said:
I Have seen Jayme Goodwin & Richie Richeson both make this shot and I have tried it numerous times with no success. They banked the ball straight back at about 600 miles per hour. The ball was frozen or extremely close to it and the cue ball was straight on. I assume you would use high right, but I am not sure.

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I made that shot, once, about 10 years ago, and still have no idea how I did it. Had to be high right, as you said, but the speed is the key. I think 600 mph is close, lol. IIRC, I ducked after hitting it cuz I thought it might hit me in the head coming back.:eek: Banking has never been my forte. Peace, John.
 
I think it almost has to be off the rail, hit very hard, and if you use any spin it makes it real hard to hit the ball where you want because of the deflection factor.

Are you sure it was dead on? If you move the cueball 1 ball width to the right it becomes a much easier bank

Gerry
 
The diagram should be very close....I know that it looks impossible to get the cue ball out of the way, thats why I posted it here.
 
My thoughts...

As it looks to me in the WEI table, you would have to use
low right english so your cueball could get out of the way
quick enough.
 
no what I mean is I have no diagram in front of me Is something wrong with my PC or do I need to download something????
 
500mph using punch stroke with right

The Grinder said:
I Have seen Jayme Goodwin & Richie Richeson both make this shot and I have tried it numerous times with no success. They banked the ball straight back at about 600 miles per hour. The ball was frozen or extremely close to it and the cue ball was straight on. I assume you would use high right, but I am not sure.

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why right?

Oh man, I am soooo confused. A number of you guys are saying right (high right, low right, just right)...which I interpret to be inside english in this case, with the cueball spinningcounter-clockwise looking down on it.

Have I run into (yet) another "mystic goodie" here? I mean it looks like you'd want to put left on it so it'd run away from the OB?

Snapshot9 said:
As it looks to me in the WEI table, you would have to use
low right english so your cueball could get out of the way
quick enough.
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But so many of you are saying RH english, and Scott said to get the cueball out of the way ...its all very counter-intuitive to me...don't mean to interrupt this discussion on this particular shot, but if this could be explained I would be both enlightened and grateful.
 
why right?

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Oh man, I am soooo confused. A number of you guys are saying right (high right, low right, just right)...which I interpret to be inside english in this case, with the cueball spinningcounter-clockwise looking down on it.

Have I run into (yet) another "mystic goodie" here? I mean it looks like you'd want to put left on it so it'd run away from the OB?

But so many of you are saying RH english, and someboday there said to get the cueball out of the way ...its all very counter-intuitive to me...don't mean to interrupt this discussion on this particular shot, but if this could be explained I would be both enlightened and grateful.
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In this case right would be inside english.....my experience has been playing one pocket and banks it is easier to avoid the double kiss with top inside when banking a ball thats close to the rail. This particular bank is extremely difficult at best. I play at a pretty good speed and I am about 0 for 50 with this shot. I think speed and lots of it is the key, but I just wanted to get some input from other players
 
Cardinal2B said:
JamisonNeu,

use this site:
http://www.onepocket.org/table/pooltable2.html

you copy the gobbldegook beginning with the first S in START through the D in END, go to that site and paste it into the table, answer OK to the prompts & voila.

OR

use the Links menu on the top of the forum here, and find the WEI table.
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Or you use the [wei][/wei] code to embed it directly in here:

Edit: someone beat me to it.
 
If you put left on the cueball it will put right on the object ball sending the bank wide to the right near the side pocket. Right will straighten the bank up, or stand it up as some say, and keep it off the rail on the way to the pocket.

I still think a straight high ball at top speed....

Gerry
 
Snapshot9 said:
As it looks to me in the WEI table, you would have to use
low right english so your cueball could get out of the way
quick enough.
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I concur with Scott, I would hit the cb with low inside spin at a 6.5-7 out of 10 speed. Firm but not blistering.

It's a difficult but very do-able shot.
 
:)

Personally I cut it. But if I had to make it, if any english at all, just a hair of inside and hit it firm to shorten up then bank. at least a 1/2 ball hit.
 
The Grinder said:
In this case right would be inside english.....my experience has been playing one pocket and banks it is easier to avoid the double kiss with top inside when banking a ball thats close to the rail. This particular bank is extremely difficult at best. I play at a pretty good speed and I am about 0 for 50 with this shot. I think speed and lots of it is the key, but I just wanted to get some input from other players
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Gerry said:
If you put left on the cueball it will put right on the object ball sending the bank wide to the right near the side pocket. Right will straighten the bank up, or stand it up as some say, and keep it off the rail on the way to the pocket.
Gerry
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PROG8R said:
Personally I cut it. But if I had to make it, if any english at all, just a hair of inside and hit it firm to shorten up then bank. at least a 1/2 ball hit.
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Thanks to you all! New jargon "stand it up" / "shorten up" and something new to try (maybe not on this particular shot under discussion, but...). Much appreciated, I'm off to the pool hall to give that technique a go.
 
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An almost identical shot is diagnosed in Jack Koehler's book "Upscale One-Pocket" (pg 81-82). Without going into gory detail, he basically says hit it hard with inside english (but he also recommends passing these types of shots up). The inside english allows you to strike the object ball far enough on the OB's left side to avoid the double kiss, and cushion distortion when you shoot hard will hold the OB on a narrower track. Ronnie Allen used to hit these like they were hangers.
 
Are you sure that it was frozen on the rail? As stated before there are a few varibles to think about. The speed as you pointed out is very important... i can't imaging how hard you would have to hit the cue ball to get this even close to the pocket.

Is english that much of a factor in this shot seeing that the ball is frozen? I notice that when I try to bank a frozen ball, it has less to do with english and a lot more to do with speed and where the object ball is contacted.

I have tried this shot many times and have had no success. I would love to witness this shot made in person to see how it is done.
 
Cardinal2B said:
Oh man, I am soooo confused. A number of you guys are saying right (high right, low right, just right)...which I interpret to be inside english in this case, with the cueball spinningcounter-clockwise looking down on it.

Have I run into (yet) another "mystic goodie" here? I mean it looks like you'd want to put left on it so it'd run away from the OB?




But so many of you are saying RH english, and Scott said to get the cueball out of the way ...its all very counter-intuitive to me...don't mean to interrupt this discussion on this particular shot, but if this could be explained I would be both enlightened and grateful.
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As snapshot said, use low right.
 
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