does one pocket hurt your 9,10 ball game?

[instroke75]

I personally find the game pretty boring, but at the same time have complete respect for the skill it takes to play it.(probably more than any other pocket-billiard game) But, I can't stand this idea that you can't transition from one game to another, or that it hurts your 9-ball game to play one pocket. I get this same question all the time about playing Snooker, (my game of choice) and i look at them as if they are retarded. Poool is pool, and if you can play, you can play. Get up and fire the balls in in 9-ball, or lag them in one-pocket , it makes no difference! That's like saying don't ever play a safety because you nwon't be able to make a shot afterwards!

 

[duckie]

You have to master pocketing balls in any way shape or form, long distances, near rail shots, hard, soft, english no english, stun, role...you name it before you graduate to next level one pocket game.

I would love to play one pocket players or bank pool players 9 ball and watch them hit long distance shots hard. But one pocket players will have to be awake and very careful playing good 9 ball player one pocket

One pocket is an escape to those that cannot pocket balls constantly, and will never improve on pocketing balls for sake of 9 ball game, sure they gain one pocket strategy experience, which have very limited use for 9 ball.

30 years experience advise.

In the same sense, you take someone that just plays 9 ball or 1 pocket and play them 14.1, they are lost. One of the things I like to do to 9 ball players.

It's one thing to run 9 or less balls and re rack, but try planning for a break ball, then get position on that break ball, then make that break shot and get a shot to after opening the rack up keep your run going.

Biggest reason 14.1 isn't played more is few want to work on their skills and want to rely more on luck then skill.

Here is my last experience with 1 pocket. 1 pocket player talked into playing a game. He knew I didn't play it much so he was gonna help me with my 1 pocket game. He broke, I played a safe, he tried a bank and missed. I ran 5 into my hole and his whole attitude changed. Started sending balls up table. I get a ball close to my pocket, he move, it, he get one close to his, I move it and so on.

He won, but only because I got bored. I prefer running balls hence my preference for 14.1.

Oh, he never has offered to play me again, in anything.

 

[Island Drive]

Im sure this has been discussed before, but I was wondering what your thoughts were? I find myself lagging balls for a game or two after I switch from one pocket to either 9 or 10 ball.

All games help all games in different ways. The enjoyment of New perspectives is One of our addictions, and a powerful one at that.

 

[Baxter]

I think one pocket is more about knowledge and putting in the time to learn all the moves than it is about stroke skills. Yes, some of that knowledge and the moves you learn may help you in 9 or 10 ball, but I don't think you're ever going to learn stroke skills playing one pocket that will help you playing 9 or 10 ball. Rotation games lean more towards aggressive power play, whilst one pocket leans more towards defensive soft strokes. 2 different games, 2 different ways to play.

Whatever you believe, is what it is. Perception is a hell of a thing.

 

[Ak Guy]

Has to help

I like 1 pocket, but no one plays it around here. I believe it helps with banking, playing safeties, cue ball position and making soft cut shots. I have not played it since my buddy moved last summer. I don't think 1 pocket hurt Reyes 9 ball game.

 

[lfigueroa]

You have to master pocketing balls in any way shape or form, long distances, near rail shots, hard, soft, english no english, stun, role...you name it before you graduate to next level one pocket game.

I would love to play one pocket players or bank pool players 9 ball and watch them hit long distance shots hard. But one pocket players will have to be awake and very careful playing good 9 ball player one pocket

One pocket is an escape to those that cannot pocket balls constantly, and will never improve on pocketing balls for sake of 9 ball game, sure they gain one pocket strategy experience, which have very limited use for 9 ball.

30 years experience advise.

I play several guys who'd roast my chestnuts playing 9ball, but who I handle pretty easily at 1pocket. And besides all the stuff about knowing the safeties and strategy a big part of it is that I run balls better than they do.

IOW, hitting balls hard long distance isn't much, when the other guy can hit them softly and get 8 all towards the same pocket. Bottom line is that a lousy 1pocket player makes a lousy 9ball player and visa-versa.

No one ever won a game of 1pocket just "moving." You still have to get 8 in your hole.

Lou Figueroa
40+ years
experience advise
but who's counting

 

[lfigueroa]

I think one pocket is more about knowledge and putting in the time to learn all the moves than it is about stroke skills. Yes, some of that knowledge and the moves you learn may help you in 9 or 10 ball, but I don't think you're ever going to learn stroke skills playing one pocket that will help you playing 9 or 10 ball. Rotation games lean more towards aggressive power play, whilst one pocket leans more towards defensive soft strokes. 2 different games, 2 different ways to play.

Whatever you believe, is what it is. Perception is a hell of a thing.

I think you couldn't be more incorrect. At some levels, sure, a few moves are going to help out the lesser player. But to play the game competitively nowadays you have to have the knowledge AND the stroke. You can no longer play the endless bunt game of old. Today you have to come with the firepower as well as knowledge of the moves and strategy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in the past or listening to people who do.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Baxter]

I think you couldn't be more incorrect. At some levels, sure, a few moves are going to help out the lesser player. But to play the game competitively nowadays you have to have the knowledge AND the stroke. You can no longer play the endless bunt game of old. Today you have to come with the firepower as well as knowledge of the moves and strategy. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in the past or listening to people who do.

Lou Figueroa

Yes, at the professional competitive levels. I thought we were talking about the average players game here. The thread title says "your" game, I thought we were talking about one pocket you see in your average pool hall in normal America. I didn't realize we were talking about high caliber one pocket.

 

[lfigueroa]

Yes, at the professional competitive levels. I thought we were talking about the average players game here. The thread title says "your" game, I thought we were talking about one pocket you see in your average pool hall in normal America. I didn't realize we were talking about high caliber one pocket.

That what I was talking about -- my game (certainly not high caliber) played at my local room.

Lou Figueroa

 

[ChrisBanks]

I play several guys who'd roast my chestnuts playing 9ball, but who I handle pretty easily at 1pocket. And besides all the stuff about knowing the safeties and strategy a big part of it is that I run balls better than they do.

IOW, hitting balls hard long distance isn't much, when the other guy can hit them softly and get 8 all towards the same pocket. Bottom line is that a lousy 1pocket player makes a lousy 9ball player and visa-versa.

No one ever won a game of 1pocket just "moving." You still have to get 8 in your hole.

Lou Figueroa
40+ years
experience advise
but who's counting

Lou, you're right. But you already know that. Look at the long list of shooters that win Derby City One Pocket and US Open One Pocket.

The old movers never win. It seems like they would, but they don't. I would like to see Artie give it one more try. I know he is perhaps close to 70 now so it is unfair to expect him to challenge the young players.

But I want to see the World's Greatest Mover, since I've never really seen him play.

 

[lfigueroa]

Lou, you're right. But you already know that. Look at the long list of shooters that win Derby City One Pocket and US Open One Pocket.

The old movers never win. It seems like they would, but they don't. I would like to see Artie give it one more try. I know he is perhaps close to 70 now so it is unfair to expect him to challenge the young players.

But I want to see the World's Greatest Mover, since I've never really seen him play.

The game has changed just in the last 20 years from the time I first learned to play it. When I started out it was all moving and squeezing. Then guys like Reyes, Frost, Joyner, Dalton, et al changed the game and all that was picked up by players on down the line. Ronnie Allen once told me, "Shots it took me 20 years to learn, 17 year old kids are shooting now."

It is not your grandmother's 1pocket anymore.

Lou Figueroa

 

[naji]

I play several guys who'd roast my chestnuts playing 9ball, but who I handle pretty easily at 1pocket. And besides all the stuff about knowing the safeties and strategy a big part of it is that I run balls better than they do.

IOW, hitting balls hard long distance isn't much, when the other guy can hit them softly and get 8 all towards the same pocket. Bottom line is that a lousy 1pocket player makes a lousy 9ball player and visa-versa.

No one ever won a game of 1pocket just "moving." You still have to get 8 in your hole.

Lou Figueroa
40+ years
experience advise
but who's counting

A good 9 ball player will learn one pocket in no time, he only has to know few moves, and will be tough player to deal with because he runs balls better, and only way to beat him if you are more Patient than he is.

 

[lfigueroa]

A good 9 ball player will learn one pocket in no time, he only has to know few moves, and will be tough player to deal with because he runs balls better, and only way to beat him if you are more Patient than he is.

lol.

Lou Figueroa