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Cue-Z

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A member from AZB wanted to purchase several pairs of my FingerSlides. He sent me a PayPal payment for 4 sets of them. I received the payment but the address was unconfirmed, so I refunded the money right away. I didn't want to take any chances because he lived outside the USA. He couldn't straighten out the unconfirmed address with PayPal. He told me he tried but PayPal couldn't fix it. I suggested Western Union. He agreed and said he would send the money right away. This was on the 23rd of September. I haven't heard anything from him and no payment was sent through Western Union.
Any opinions to what is going on with this pending sale. I don't want to be scammed...Should I just forget about the whole thing and consider myself lucky? AZ Members here are very savvy, so I'll ask for all your opinions on this, thanks!
 
Yes, I think you were prob right on. It sounds like a scam to me.

If something sound fishy, especially overseas, be careful. You found another option even to try to finish the deal, and it still did not happen.


Sounds to me like you wouldn't have gotten the money no matter what you did.
 
well it could just be because u cant get a confirmed address in many countries. even if paypal allows u to use their service, your address will remain unconfirmed. there is nothing he can really do about it.

as for the western union, once he realized how much western union charges he probably decided against sending the money that way. since its not an expensive product that he is buying from you, he probably didnt want to pay the high fees that western union charges.
 
international mail now can be sent with delivery confirmation and insurance, global priority mail has been super upgraded.
things are different now.
docs
 
It's not a scam at all (at least based on the unconfirmed account)- PayPal addresses can only be confirmed in the US, Canada, and the UK (I believe).

My Thailand-based PayPal account is unconfirmed, and there's nothing I can do about it- I rely on my good iTrader feedback to help ease people's minds about my transactions.:wink:

Like Danktrees said, Western Union has a large transaction fee associated with it- the buyer might have decided it wasn't worth it if the purchase wasn't for a big $ amount.
 
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The recent paypal scams have been a clever little trick of using multiple paypal accounts, with the majority of the funds coming out of a unconfirmed address.
The fact that the deal was overseas had very little to do with it.

All of the overseas or international deals I have done has gone very smoothly, mainly because the guys knew exactly how to make & receive payments, the best way to ship in their area, and one guy even told me how much to insure it for to draw the least amount of attention in customs.

This doesn't sound like a scam but who knows.
You have to protect yourself, and the fact that it is a smaller amount is all the more reason to not want to deal with a hassle.

Maybe someone knows the member and can vouch for him.
 
Doc'sDeli said:
international mail now can be sent with delivery confirmation and insurance, global priority mail has been super upgraded.
things are different now.
docs
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If this is correct, how about international c.o.d?

Andy
 
hllwnmagic said:
A member from AZB wanted to purchase several pairs of my FingerSlides. He sent me a PayPal payment for 4 sets of them. I received the payment but the address was unconfirmed, so I refunded the money right away. I didn't want to take any chances because he lived outside the USA. He couldn't straighten out the unconfirmed address with PayPal. He told me he tried but PayPal couldn't fix it. I suggested Western Union. He agreed and said he would send the money right away. This was on the 23rd of September. I haven't heard anything from him and no payment was sent through Western Union.
Any opinions to what is going on with this pending sale. I don't want to be scammed...Should I just forget about the whole thing and consider myself lucky? AZ Members here are very savvy, so I'll ask for all your opinions on this, thanks!
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If it's not a large amount of money, I would say go ahead and do it. It's pretty much a gamble anyway nowadays. Overseas PayPal accounts are usually "verified" buy not "confirmed" Good Luck!
 
hllwnmagic said:
A member from AZB wanted to purchase several pairs of my FingerSlides. He sent me a PayPal payment for 4 sets of them. I received the payment but the address was unconfirmed, so I refunded the money right away. I didn't want to take any chances because he lived outside the USA. He couldn't straighten out the unconfirmed address with PayPal. He told me he tried but PayPal couldn't fix it. I suggested Western Union. He agreed and said he would send the money right away. This was on the 23rd of September. I haven't heard anything from him and no payment was sent through Western Union.
Any opinions to what is going on with this pending sale. I don't want to be scammed...Should I just forget about the whole thing and consider myself lucky? AZ Members here are very savvy, so I'll ask for all your opinions on this, thanks!
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I put in bold and red what you said. The guy paid and i just don't get where was the fear. Anyone outside US has uncomfirmed address (maybe couple countries mentioned above). I have uncomfirmed as well. If the guy has dealt with someone in here then definatelly he has a confrimed address concerning AZ. The fact that backed from the deal doesn't put him in a "scam List". Just let it go and IMHO you shouldn't have opened a thread about this.
 
I think he couldnt be bothered to do it.. plus the relative higher charges. My Singapore paypal address is unconfirmed but im verified with at least 40 transactions.. a bank draft would cost around $30usd inclusive of shipping costs, so it is even a less viable option than western union. furthermore the deal was attractive because of the low cost, when the deal becomes expensive there is no incentive to buy.
 
cuesblues said:
The recent paypal scams have been a clever little trick of using multiple paypal accounts, with the majority of the funds coming out of a unconfirmed address.
The fact that the deal was overseas had very little to do with it.

All of the overseas or international deals I have done has gone very smoothly, mainly because the guys knew exactly how to make & receive payments, the best way to ship in their area, and one guy even told me how much to insure it for to draw the least amount of attention in customs.

This doesn't sound like a scam but who knows.
You have to protect yourself, and the fact that it is a smaller amount is all the more reason to not want to deal with a hassle.

Maybe someone knows the member and can vouch for him.
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When someone knows how to express him/herself then in couple of sentences you get it all. Well done mate. I told privatelly but i will say it here as well. In europe we have the issue of customs. That's the reason we tell the sellers to put an amount smaller than $100 on the package. In addition, it is preferrable the service of USPS. By this way, the package goes through goverment owned shipping company and the things there are very loose ;) Well done once again.
 
Lots of people say they will send money and then don't. It doesn't make them scammers.

It's especially common with those who prefer to use Money Orders. Anything that takes time and effort is more likely to not happen. In the case of Western Union not only is it much more time consuming than Paypal, but it costs the buyer additional money.
 
Come on....is this like an international shipping phobia?IIf you dont know the guy get the payment and tell him that you will ship the items asa you get the money in your account from paypal.If he likes the deal it's ok,he only has to wait 5-10 more days(i think).If not...no problem
 
bez967 said:
Come on....is this like an international shipping phobia?IIf you dont know the guy get the payment and tell him that you will ship the items asa you get the money in your account from paypal.If he likes the deal it's ok,he only has to wait 5-10 more days(i think).If not...no problem
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I constantly hear this advice. But it makes no sense if you have ongoing transactions, because there will constantly be money in the account at one point or another, give or take.

It's not international shipping phobia. It's Paypal's ridiculous policies that offer zero protection to a seller on international transactions.
 
shinobi said:
I constantly hear this advice. But it makes no sense if you have ongoing transactions, because there will constantly be money in the account at one point or another, give or take.

It's not international shipping phobia. It's Paypal's ridiculous policies that offer zero protection to a seller on international transactions.
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Quit taking paypal !!
Postal money orders are the safest ..
 
shinobi said:
it makes no sense if you have ongoing transactions, because there will constantly be money in the account at one point or another, give or take.
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Just call your bank and ask them if you recieved the money.Banks are very carefull with credit cards so they hqve all the info,it's not an anonymous transaction.Also i can check my credit card transactions via internet and when someone gives me or i give money i can see it after a few days in my acount with his name and everything.
 
bez967 said:
Just call your bank and ask them if you recieved the money.Banks are very carefull with credit cards so they hqve all the info,it's not an anonymous transaction.Also i can check my credit card transactions via internet and when someone gives me or i give money i can see it after a few days in my acount with his name and everything.
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You aren't understanding what I said.

1) Person A buys 4 fingersleeves
2) She removes the money to her bank account
3) In the meantime other customers are sending money and the account usually has money in it.

So, the advice of "don't ship until the money is in your bank account" applies to people who use their Paypal account only on rare occassion. Even if the account had no money in it at the time of a dispute, for someone who plans on continuing to use Paypal the dispute must be resolved.

As for the person who said "Quit taking Paypal" that's good advice. I don't especially recommend anyone use Paypal. But it's a reality that most people want to pay via Paypal and if you quit taking it entirely you'll lose buyers.

There are already numerous threads about Paypal on here. No need to repeat everything. Point is, have a little sympathy for the seller because Paypal sucks ;)
 
No deal

Pretty simple beans here, untill you get the dough you got no deal.

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kgeorgia said:
When someone knows how to express him/herself then in couple of sentences you get it all. Well done mate. I told privatelly but i will say it here as well. In europe we have the issue of customs. That's the reason we tell the sellers to put an amount smaller than $100 on the package. In addition, it is preferrable the service of USPS. By this way, the package goes through goverment owned shipping company and the things there are very loose ;) Well done once again.
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Thanks for the kind words KG

That is exactly what I am talking about.
Every area is probably a little different, and if people overseas want to do business in the US, who better than themselves to know the best and most effective way to handle it.
I feel for some of you guys trying to buy-sell-trade from overseas, hearing about this stuff, knowing that the overseas factor is not the problem.
I think we all need to know more about Paypal and their policies, but
Paypal is all about the money, they don't seem to care where it comes from, so we all need to know the rules...unconfirmed, unverified, whatever, whenever.

We are in a global economy, even with pool cues.
I know of several very fine cue builders that send a lot of their high end cues overseas, so there must be a good market over there, and I would like to participate in it.
 
Danktrees said:
as for the western union, once he realized how much western union charges he probably decided against sending the money that way. since its not an expensive product that he is buying from you, he probably didn't want to pay the high fees that western union charges.
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Good post, I have to agree with what was said here. I live in the UK and recently purchased a Breakrak from Charley Bond using western union and the fees were surprising as I had never used it before. As such I wouldn't instantly think the guy was a scammer, perhaps just didn't want to go ahead with the deal.

I would have expected the guy to at least let the seller know though that he didn't want to go ahead with the deal, especially as he had told the seller he would send the payment, surely that is just common courtesy.

Speaking of courtesy, I would just like to add that when I bought the Breakrak, Charley Bond is one of the most courteous sellers I have come across, he couldn't help enough.
 
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