double to single elimination

Unless you have a redraw, or you have a situation where the winners side guys are seeded, and their next matches are guaranteed to be against losers side guys so they don't play each other immediately, it's a pretty stupid format
IMO.
You will have a situation like what happened today, and loser of the hot seat match (first loss of the tournament) is out of the event and gets 3rd/4th, and guys who already lost a match, who play each other on the one loss side, (since loser of the hot seat match doesn't move to losers side) is guaranteed 2nd place.

Probably the most unfair format I have ever seen.

If you are gonna do a tournament, do it right.
Start the one pocket on Thursday like the 10ball, and give yourself that extra day to finish the tournament in proper fashion.
Or just make the whole thing single elimination so players don't get screwed over.
And for those players that want to play in BOTH, tell them tough crap.

I love the expo.
That does not mean that it can't be better.
I think they're on the right track, but there's still a couple steps to go.

Maybe single elimination for the final four or eight, but if you're on the rights side you have to play someone from the left side?

Change in format to single elimination for the final X has been done in bowling (among others I assume) for years. We've got to do something for a televised package or for timing sake.


Freddie <~~~ can see the issues, but still entertained
 
Hmmmmm......

Kiamco-Strickland....one loss.....out at 5/8 place
Kennedy-Dechaine....one loss....can still win it all

Pagulayan....1 loss....out at 3/4 place
Morra-Hohmann...1 loss....can still win it all

For me, this is unacceptable

Shorter matches would've solved a time problem...like races to seven all the way.

giant backwards screw job
 
not to mention, that you pay 20 bucks per session which means you pay 40 bucks per day, per person, And me and my wife was there last night and they had plenty of time to play the earl and shane match, It was definitely a screw job imo. This was our first time and we are a little disapointed.
 
Unless you have a redraw, or you have a situation where the winners side guys are seeded, and their next matches are guaranteed to be against losers side guys so they don't play each other immediately, it's a pretty stupid format
IMO.
You will have a situation like what happened today, and loser of the hot seat match (first loss of the tournament) is out of the event and gets 3rd/4th, and guys who already lost a match, who play each other on the one loss side, (since loser of the hot seat match doesn't move to losers side) is guaranteed 2nd place.

Probably the most unfair format I have ever seen.

If you are gonna do a tournament, do it right.
Start the one pocket on Thursday like the 10ball, and give yourself that extra day to finish the tournament in proper fashion.
Or just make the whole thing single elimination so players don't get screwed over.
And for those players that want to play in BOTH, tell them tough crap.

I love the expo.
That does not mean that it can't be better.

BS on it being tough crap. Schedule it better & avoid timing conflicts.
 
Another thing.
Why is it that the 10ballers get a separate room, with noise rules, phone rules, and flash photography rules.
And the 1pocketers get stuck next to action alley, with all sorts of drunk slobs and action idiots screaming their brains out?

Are 1pocket players not as worthy as 10ball players?

Although, the 1pocket tables got the best lights.
The 10ball guys got those it's bitsy lights hung way up high with the ceiling lights helping put all sorts of shadows everywhere on the table.

There are a lot of tweaks that need to be made. Not just in the format.
 
BS on it being tough crap. Schedule it better & avoid timing conflicts.

Yeah. Ok.
This ain't the derby 1pocket with race to 3 and buy backs and a 9ball event. This is double elimination 1pocket and 10ball till the single elimination kicks in.

And it ain't a week and a half either where you can schedule the finals of the banks, so it overlaps deep into the one pocket, or the one pocket overlapping into the 9ball. This is 4 days.
You try to have the Derby in 5 days where all 3 events start at the same time, see how far you get before you want to kill yourself.
 
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Was the format changed on the fly or was it planned this way?

The one pocket was announced this way. Same as last year.

I have no idea about the other formats.
But the women protested and got a redraw from what I understand.
 
The one pocket was announced this way. Same as last year.

I have no idea about the other formats.
But the women protested and got a redraw from what I understand.

If it was announced this way as screwy as it is I would except it but if changed off the cuff then that is not right they should have had the schedule figured out better.
 
I've been a supporter of the Expo, but if this indeed was changed midstream I would advocate a one year boycott by all! SBE 2017- NOPE, SEE Ya in 2018.
 
How did Shane Winters play in the amateur event? it was a couple weeks ago he was going on about being an Elite Pro and should be paid to be on streams.
 
Shane Winters won $5,000 coming in first place in the amateur open.
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/4vvymii0fduxuuq/Finals Brackets.pdf?dl=0


Here is the link to all the brackets
http://superbilliardsexpo.com/brackets.html

Here is the link to the pro bracket
https://dl.dropbox.com/s/ehofvn8731y1z57/ProBracket.pdf?dl=0

How did Shane Winters play in the amateur event? it was a couple weeks ago he was going on about being an Elite Pro and should be paid to be on streams.
 
FORMAT:
10-Ball
Races to 10 (Finals race to 13)
Double Elimination
FINAL 8: Single Elim, Races to 13
Rotate Break / Rack your own
10 on break doesn't count

Here is the link to the online registration information.
http://superbilliardsexpo.com/Pro10Ball-Registration.html


I've been a supporter of the Expo, but if this indeed was changed midstream I would advocate a one year boycott by all! SBE 2017- NOPE, SEE Ya in 2018.
 
FORMAT:
10-Ball
Races to 10 (Finals race to 13)
Double Elimination
FINAL 8: Single Elim, Races to 13
Rotate Break / Rack your own
10 on break doesn't count

Here is the link to the online registration information.
http://superbilliardsexpo.com/Pro10Ball-Registration.html

And here is the proof that at some point the format was not the format posted there now:

03/25 Archive Links:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160325184852/http://superbilliardsexpo.com/Pro-9Ball-Registration.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20160325185651/http://superbilliardsexpo.com/Pro10Ball-Registration.html
 
The Bracket Format in Question is a Modified Single Elimination Tournament. You are guaranteed to PLAY TWICE, NOT LOSE TWICE. It is a common format to use when time constraints are in place. So yes if your going to lose it's best to do in in your first or second match, because generally after the 3rd or possibly 4th round there is no coming back.

It was clearly advertised on the registration form on the site. Someone posted an earlier version of the information before everything was set, or realized after the planning stages were over that based on the entrants a Full Double Elimination Event wasn't feasible. It's possible that the earlier site posting was also an omission from the plans and was corrected with an update.

At the end of all this I doubt it very seriously that Tournament Directors did or, changed anything on the fly. That would be crazy and very un-professional. Please give Mr. Hopkins and his Staff just a little more credit than that.

As for the price increases, as someone else mentioned no one knows what the overhead is to pull this thing off. So again be fair in your judgement. I know times are tough these day's, I'm currently working through a crisis myself, and that is the exact reason that I didn't attend this year. Had things been different I would have been there as in years past and I would have paid the entry fees and whatever other expenses that I incurred based on my budget.

Rant Over :cool:

~Black Cat~
 
The Bracket Format in Question is a Modified Single Elimination Tournament. You are guaranteed to PLAY TWICE, NOT LOSE TWICE. It is a common format to use when time constraints are in place. So yes if your going to lose it's best to do in in your first or second match, because generally after the 3rd or possibly 4th round there is no coming back.

It was clearly advertised on the registration form on the site. Someone posted an earlier version of the information before everything was set, or realized after the planning stages were over that based on the entrants a Full Double Elimination Event wasn't feasible. It's possible that the earlier site posting was also an omission from the plans and was corrected with an update.

At the end of all this I doubt it very seriously that Tournament Directors did or, changed anything on the fly. That would be crazy and very un-professional. Please give Mr. Hopkins and his Staff just a little more credit than that.

As for the price increases, as someone else mentioned no one knows what the overhead is to pull this thing off. So again be fair in your judgement. I know times are tough these day's, I'm currently working through a crisis myself, and that is the exact reason that I didn't attend this year. Had things been different I would have been there as in years past and I would have paid the entry fees and whatever other expenses that I incurred based on my budget.

Rant Over :cool:

~Black Cat~
The format wasnt changed on the site until friday after the tournament started. Also there was never any time crunch with matches, they had a lot of time off over 4 days, winners side & losers. Its set up that way to let guys go hang at their sponsors booth.
 
The Bracket Format in Question is a Modified Single Elimination Tournament. You are guaranteed to PLAY TWICE, NOT LOSE TWICE. It is a common format to use when time constraints are in place. So yes if your going to lose it's best to do in in your first or second match, because generally after the 3rd or possibly 4th round there is no coming back.

It was clearly advertised on the registration form on the site. Someone posted an earlier version of the information before everything was set, or realized after the planning stages were over that based on the entrants a Full Double Elimination Event wasn't feasible. It's possible that the earlier site posting was also an omission from the plans and was corrected with an update.

At the end of all this I doubt it very seriously that Tournament Directors did or, changed anything on the fly. That would be crazy and very un-professional. Please give Mr. Hopkins and his Staff just a little more credit than that.

As for the price increases, as someone else mentioned no one knows what the overhead is to pull this thing off. So again be fair in your judgement. I know times are tough these day's, I'm currently working through a crisis myself, and that is the exact reason that I didn't attend this year. Had things been different I would have been there as in years past and I would have paid the entry fees and whatever other expenses that I incurred based on my budget.

Rant Over :cool:

~Black Cat~

No, that was the format all along until it was changed. The cached archive is of the public page that was viewable to the world. Also it has been confirmed from players who were there last year that the info they received flyer wise in advance stated the pro events were double elimination, not the modified version that went down.

Rant over :cool:
 
Well I know if I made plans to go somewhere and it was DE and then it changed I'd be pissed off. Then if I made it to the final 8 undefeated and got put out by someone with one loss is be looking to strangle someone. That's just me but I bet a lot of others feel the same.
 
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