Dr. Dave SAWS calibration

BlackMamba416

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Hi ,

I purchased Dr. Daves System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) video.
I have a Predator REVO 11.8 mm shaft
i followed the instructions and filled out the table below

However, there are some times were this doesn't see to be working...
i'm unsure if i should simply do the calibration steps again?
has anyone else purchased this video? and if so, can you share your results? i know this will vary based off your cue

im a APA 4 and would like to start using SideSpin more in my game.

Thanks.

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No offense but you might be a little to 'science bound'. The game is as much, if not more, art than science. If i played while trying to calculate squirt/throw #'s in my head i'd never make a ball.
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but im a big believer in this system. i feel that if i was to try and play by "feel" it would take an incredible amount of time to gain the intuition needed
 
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but im a big believer in this system. i feel that if i was to try and play by "feel" it would take an incredible amount of time to gain the intuition needed
you have to make this stuff automatic thru practice/repetition. you cannot play actual games/compete with these numbers/calculations bouncing around your head. you watch top players play, they are on 'autopilot'.
 
While I agree that the end goal is for your intuition/experience to fully take over, for beginner players systems like this can be a great way for speeding up the process of learning. Depends on your personality, some learn faster with systems, some despise them even as beginners. But whatever your road of progression is, eventually you'll let go of the conscious systems and just "know what to do" when it comes to aiming or adjustments.
 
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but im a big believer in this system. i feel that if i was to try and play by "feel" it would take an incredible amount of time to gain the intuition needed
I love doctor Dave’s stuff but agree with other comments about feel. If I were you I would take away from this video that you can use backhand English when closer and front end when further away and that you are just going to have to play lots of shots at lots of speeds to find out what works and when
 
Hi ,

I purchased Dr. Daves System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) video.
I have a Predator REVO 11.8 mm shaft
i followed the instructions and filled out the table below


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Just take 2 of these and practice: (long/slow} till you are comfortable then take another (long/fast) and get a feel for this one. When you feel the difference, other combinations will become intuitive. Don't make it too complicated.

This is great information ...some will use it in their own way and others will stay in the cave.
 
I see the method as a calibration index. You need a stable and neutral/stabilized method (pronounced "good center ball stroke") for those numbers to be effective.
 
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but im a big believer in this system. i feel that if i was to try and play by "feel" it would take an incredible amount of time to gain the intuition needed
That's exactly what's required to be good at this game. His methods are only a starting point for new players, but then you need to practice like crazy until it all becomes second nature.

Otherwise, everyone would be a pro playing at the same level.
 
I think Dr Dave's SAWS method will give you a general guideline/understanding of where cue ball might end up when hitting with side spin. You should understand all of these calibrations will change with bridge length, elevation of the butt of the cue, cloth condition, humidity, rotation of the earth (just kidding). My point is that there are a lot variables involved in the use of side spin and solving those variables comes from experience. If your calibrations are not working out for you, it may be an indication of inconsistency of bridge length and/or cue butt elevation.
 
No offense but you might be a little to 'science bound'. The game is as much, if not more, art than science. If i played while trying to calculate squirt/throw #'s in my head i'd never make a ball.
It's also why you haven't been recognized and elevated to one of the highest levels of the Geek Squad. Nor I and never will be.
I prefer staying centered but still living on the edge most all the time. Life is good, life is simple, balls go in.
 
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Hi ,

I purchased Dr. Daves System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS) video.
I have a Predator REVO 11.8 mm shaft
i followed the instructions and filled out the table below

However, there are some times were this doesn't see to be working...
i'm unsure if i should simply do the calibration steps again?
has anyone else purchased this video? and if so, can you share your results? i know this will vary based off your cue

im a APA 4 and would like to start using SideSpin more in my game.

Thanks.

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As an APA 4 you should be worrying about hitting the ball properly with a center ball hit.
 
Honestly I stopped watching DD a while ago. Too scientific for my taste. I do so much better just running drills and practicing than trying to figure out all this math junk. LOL
I think Mosconi, Efren, and 99.99% of all pro players and hustlers past and present would say the exact same thing.
 
As a guy who is still beginner-ish myself, I will say that I have gotten a lot out of videos/lessons like these. For me, their real worth is and has been showing me a template on how to begin approaching different methods, situations etc... But at some point -likely the point you're at now with your specific topic- you gotta start believing what you're seeing on the table itself, and finding out how they're working for you. Go with what you're seeing (obviously as long as your hitting the ball correctly etc...). Don't stay stuck to any numbers or percentages.
 
I appreciate what Dr. Dave has done for the game, but some of his stuff is just too much like traipsing in the weeds. Take SAWS for example. It's great that it exists, but other than it giving you an idea of the process I just don't see much more value.

I mean, calculating a table for something like this? Use it for what it is, the concept. Use it as a base to practice mastering side spin, but it all seems a bit silly? Knowing a chart won't make the shots for you. Make the chart if you like, but then be sure to use it as a baseline and practice each shot with progressive drills until you can make them 5-10X in a row. Then throw the chart away and work on the next weakest area of your game.

The dead accuracy of the chart isn't important, it's how you incorporate the info into your game, through practice.

And please don't misconstrue this. I think what Dr. Dave does is great. I just think that some of this stuff gets too far off the beaten path to be something for beginners to be working on. At an APA 4 you would be much better nailing your fundamentals and PSR. Work on that stuff while you're doing other drills/practicing shots that you find interesting or needed to improve your game. But fundamentals and PSR should always be the main part of your routine until they are mastered to the point they come naturally.

Look up some progressive drills and especially different variations of the wagon wheel drill to help master english. Always stay down on the shot and observe. That's how you learn. Learn throw and gearing english, these are very important concepts in the use of english. Shot making and position play are the same thing. It's a disservice to treat them as separate. Find some old straight pool matches and watch how precise they control the CB. Much of this is by using "throw." This is a good one. Watch with great interest just how little english they use, and pay particular attention to when and how they use it. The commentators are good on this match, so learn from them also.

Honestly I stopped watching DD a while ago. Too scientific for my taste. I do so much better just running drills and practicing than trying to figure out all this math junk. LOL
Same. I do rely on him for concepts but once we start traipsing through the math book I find little value. The math is like a proof, but you have to put it to actual existence in the physical world and on the table. For me it's easier to just see what happens on the table, some may have a different approach, and that's okay too.

The physics of this game are entirely complicated, there's so many real world factors to apply that makes it so the math doesn't always add up. The concepts are sound but pool is more art than math. It helps to not be ignorant and know concepts while practicing but you don't need to do math to play pool.
 
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