Dr. Pool - Meskwaki Casino tournament bad review

[sr 9ball]

I like Deans handicap system, as it makes the masters play full speed. But why can the 600 player just play relaxed and when he needs to step up his concentration for a shoot or two they can.

It seems like Dean favor's the regulars that are wieners or good friends of his. What ever the regulars say, weather there having an off day or in need of the money. Dean will listen to them and cater to them.

Deans tournament has a great system but needs solid structure. You can't go on what he says she says. Hell everyone wants the money.

 

[Cheessehead]

my take

i've known dean for about 17 years, back when he owned a little poolroom in watertown wisconsin.we need to clarify one thing, dean runs tournaments TO MAKE A LIVING. he does not do it for the good of the game. he is trying to put food on the table. good or great players do not make a successful tourney lower level players do. dean caters to the lower level players. if it was your job, would you prefer 150 lower skilled players plugging your tables or 40 great players? it's pretty easy to figure out. mark griffin and diamond try to do things for the good of the game(and hopefully they make money also) but they are in a different financial situation than most pool promoters. i don't blame dean one bit trying to make money, ultimately that's what everyone wants. I don't agree with handicapping systems but that's for another thread. if you don't like his tournies then don't go, if you do then go. but don't kill the guy for trying to make a buck. lesser skilled players make him money so that's where his loyalty will be. jmo

 

[sr 9ball]

I like Deans handicap system, as it makes the masters play full speed. But why can the 600 player just play relaxed and when he needs to step up his concentration for a shoot or two they can.

It seems like Dean favor's the regulars that are wieners or good friends of his. What ever the regulars say, weather there having an off day or in need of the money. Dean will listen to them and cater to them.

Deans tournament has a great system but needs solid structure. You can't go on what he says she says. Hell everyone wants the money.

 

[Richardson]

i've known dean for about 17 years, back when he owned a little poolroom in watertown wisconsin.we need to clarify one thing, dean runs tournaments TO MAKE A LIVING. he does not do it for the good of the game. he is trying to put food on the table. good or great players do not make a successful tourney lower level players do. dean caters to the lower level players. if it was your job, would you prefer 150 lower skilled players plugging your tables or 40 great players? it's pretty easy to figure out. mark griffin and diamond try to do things for the good of the game(and hopefully they make money also) but they are in a different financial situation than most pool promoters. i don't blame dean one bit trying to make money, ultimately that's what everyone wants. I don't agree with handicapping systems but that's for another thread. if you don't like his tournies then don't go, if you do then go. but don't kill the guy for trying to make a buck. lesser skilled players make him money so that's where his loyalty will be. jmo

I agree with you Tom. I just think higher level players should know not to bother with his handicapped tournaments unless you are going to lie and say you're a B player.

But yes, you could tell from what was going on it was strickly a money making thing for him. Tables just randomly set up all over the room. Chairs just piled over in one spot, with people just moving them all around as needed. Some tables set low, some high. The typical rolls here and there.

I am all for someone making $. I just don't like to give mine away. I am sure you can appreciate that.

 

[IA8baller]

I just think higher level players should know not to bother with his handicapped tournaments unless you are going to lie and say you're a B player.

I was definitely thinking the same thing.

One of my friends at the tournament placed 5th-6th and he was definitely one of the highest rated players there and only got a few hundred bucks I think? But it probably paid for most of his weekend.

I'm sure there were at least a couple to possibly 1/2 dozen players with an upper 500ish to lower 600ish handicap that were underhandicapped by at least 100 to 200 that got in the top 16 pay-out spots. That was definitely the way to play this tourney, come in under the radar and take the cheese! :wink: Not saying that's the right thing to do but I'm sure it helped for a winning strategy.

 

[chefjeff]

I was definitely thinking the same thing.

One of my friends at the tournament placed 5th-6th and he was definitely one of the highest rated players there and only got a few hundred bucks I think? But it probably paid for most of his weekend.

I'm sure there were at least a couple to possibly 1/2 dozen players with an upper 500ish to lower 600ish handicap that were underhandicapped by at least 100 to 200 that got in the top 16 pay-out spots. That was definitely the way to play this tourney, come in under the radar and take the cheese! :wink: Not saying that's the right thing to do but I'm sure it helped for a winning strategy.

Trevor, who won? I lost out Sat night and didn't come back Sunday.

Jeff Livingston

 

[deadstroke7]

Trevor, who won? I lost out Sat night and didn't come back Sunday.

Jeff Livingston

From Iowa Pool Players.

Congrats to Tommy Mellon and Matt Smith for chopping 1st/2nd at the Meskwaki Tournament this past weekend. Also congrats to Vicky Sienga for winning the Last Chance tourney. Good job all!

 

[chefjeff]

From Iowa Pool Players.

Congrats to Tommy Mellon and Matt Smith for chopping 1st/2nd at the Meskwaki Tournament this past weekend. Also congrats to Vicky Sienga for winning the Last Chance tourney. Good job all!

Thanks.

Congrats, Tom.

Vicky told me her strategy plans before that side tourney. It apparently worked!

Jeff Livingston

 

[CrisDeLaGarza]

I have played in Dean's events and I think he does a great job. I will agree that his handicapping is a little too extreme but the overall management and planning of the events are great. He consistently gives players an opportunity to compete, usually with a substantial amount of added money, and I have no doubt that he would have much smaller fields if these were not handicapped tournaments. Dean has also been instrumental in bringing WPBA events to some of those casinos.

I do wish he would tweak the handicapping a bit so he does not alienate some of the stronger players. One event I played in Sarah Rousey chose not to play in the women's event because her handicapp was so riduclous that her easiest match up would be a 7-3 race. But in the end, he is putting on an AMATEUR tournament. Like Mark said, I think players forget that these are AMATEUR tournaments. Pool is the only amateur sport where the players expect to make a profit off the sport. In other sports the amateur leagues feed some of the funding for the pro segment. In almost all other amateur sports there is no prize money at all. Dean provides a service to amateur players and there is so much more working that goes into putting on an event like this than most players realize or understand. If you don't like how he runs things, get involved or plan your own events.

 

[sarahrousey]

I have played in Dean's events and I think he does a great job. I will agree that his handicapping is a little too extreme but the overall management and planning of the events are great. He consistently gives players an opportunity to compete, usually with a substantial amount of added money, and I have no doubt that he would have much smaller fields if these were not handicapped tournaments. Dean has also been instrumental in bringing WPBA events to some of those casinos.

I do wish he would tweak the handicapping a bit so he does not alienate some of the stronger players. One event I played in Sarah Rousey chose not to play in the women's event because her handicapp was so riduclous that her easiest match up would be a 7-3 race. But in the end, he is putting on an AMATEUR tournament. Like Mark said, I think players forget that these are AMATEUR tournaments. Pool is the only amateur sport where the players expect to make a profit off the sport. In other sports the amateur leagues feed some of the funding for the pro segment. In almost all other amateur sports there is no prize money at all. Dean provides a service to amateur players and there is so much more working that goes into putting on an event like this than most players realize or understand. If you don't like how he runs things, get involved or plan your own events.

Close Cristina, I actually wasn't allowed to play in the women's event even though I tried to get in giving that handicap. Instead I was only allowed to play in the men's event as the second or third highest ranking. Obviously, that wasn't really the best for me.

As for Dean's events, he puts on a lot of them and keeps pool alive. There are ups and downs at each place but I haven't played in enough of them to criticize.