Because I love my ball return.
Drop Pockets vs Ball Return Tables in Tournaments
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really...
That's kinda effed up. So if its the OB that goes in a pops out you play it as it lies, it was never pocketed but if its the cue ball and it goes in and pops out it counts as being down?? That's just wrong!!!!
interesting replies from AI on 2 different browsers.....
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No, it is not a foul if the cue ball enters a pocket and subsequently pops back out onto the playing surface. According to standard rulesets like APA and BCA, the cue ball is only considered pocketed (and thus a foul/scratch) if it comes to rest in the pocket.
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Cue Ball Pops Out of Pocket — Is It a Foul?
Yes — if the cue ball goes into a pocket and then pops out, it is still considered a foul (a scratch), and your opponent will receive ball‑in‑hand.
Why it’s a foul
In pool, a scratch is defined as the cue ball being pocketed or leaving the table after a shot www.wpa-pool.com+1. The rules do not require the cue ball to remain in the pocket once it enters — if it leaves the pocket and comes back onto the table, the foul has already occurred. The key point is that the cue ball entered a pocket during your shot, which is illegal under the World Pool‑Billiard Association (WPA) and Billiard Congress of America (BCA) rules.
Consider the tv presentation of the pool table. It's an altar for some mysterious and sacred ritual. Recording mics don't act like hearing. They have a far flatter and extended range by comparison. The streamed sound needs to be optimized for public consumption. The quieter the tables are, the easier that will be.really...
sudocrushms
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No pockets. Crisis averted.
When I first started playing pool, everywhere I played had drop pockets. It was just what I was used to.
Then I started playing on Diamonds that were all ball return - which seemed odd at first but now I prefer.
Now on those rare occasions I play drop pockets I have to remind myself to help the racker get the balls - first rack I’m probably sitting there like a dummy as they walk around and clear all the pockets!
Then I started playing on Diamonds that were all ball return - which seemed odd at first but now I prefer.
Now on those rare occasions I play drop pockets I have to remind myself to help the racker get the balls - first rack I’m probably sitting there like a dummy as they walk around and clear all the pockets!
dquarasr
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My local hall recently moved and re-opened with two brand new 9-ft tables. (Sorry I don’t recall the brand.) The now four 9’ tables are intended for the straight pool players.
The first time I played on the two new tables I couldn’t believe how wide and deep the corner drop pockets are! (That’s what she said.) The buckets are HUGE!!
I swear the corner pockets can hold almost an entire rack.
Great for str8 pool and 1p.
i think bob's answer is correct. also you want that cla-dunk sound
The DCC uses tables with ball returns.
With no knowledge on the subject
i am not sure the mic issue would be a problem
As i am sure there have been streams of return tables as the tv tables and no one started a thread on AZB complaining !!!
the sound a ball makes going down the return i dont think most pool players would consider "noise"
just like the sound of the cue ball hitting the rack in 9 ball which is much louder most pool players dont consider as "noise"
This doesn't come into play if they are using Diamonds.
The only problem with ball returns is that on poorly constructed tables the balls sometimes never show up in the tray, and you often have to get down on your hands and knees to locate them. And sometimes that can take several minutes when you've got return rails that've mastered the art of trolling.
(What, you think pool tables don't like messing with us? Oh, my sweet Summer child.)
(What, you think pool tables don't like messing with us? Oh, my sweet Summer child.)
Yeah, I forgot about the special carts Diamond uses.
Speaking of noises, they put mikes on the players chests at a video taped event. The mikes were right where most players chalked and turned up high. Sounded like a gravel crusher!
There are ball returns and ball returns. Some are annoying as hell. You get used to them playing but I would think they would be very annoying nonstop on video. I am another who plain likes the sound of drop pockets. Some of the first tables I played on were drop pocket ten foot massive tables. Saddle leather pockets with no cutouts up high and equally heavy "burners" so the balls hit the double layer of saddle leather with a satisfying thunk. I would aim center pocket just for the sound.
Cost a dime a game and generally a nickel tip to the rack boy, an ancient black man. Always wondered what he thought about his official title being Rack Boy. I usually gave him a quarter when I was flush, tipping much more than the cost of a game. A more standard tip was a nickel. No tip was a sign of poverty or a lack of class. I objected to having to holler "Rack" after every game. A fifteen cent tip meant I rarely had to!
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sudocrushms
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I doubt they put much thought into it for stream, but is there a better sound in the game than balls in a cloth/leather drop pocket?
Still don’t see where there would be much interference, but you’re entitled to your opinion