Earl banned by Pat?

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The vast majority of Earl's behaviors are triggered by some BS that happens. Players and fans alike know he's easy to trigger, and for the last at least 20 years, they have been targeting him to get reactions. He manifests a small portion of bad behaviors when he can't cope with the fact that he lost or played below his own expectation. He admits to this in a round about way.

Earl is hyper-extreme-competitive. Pool is his existence. He is also coping with the steady decline after being in his prime. The game is his identity, so everything, EVERYTHING is personal to him in the game. Even what other players do. If you disrespect the game, it is like you're stabbing him.

Earl also has a very heightened sense of competitive honor. Yes, I know many of you know-nothings will freak out hearing that, but it is true. What you see is the consequences or the symptoms of things that happen - but you do not understand the origin or the reasons behind them until 1. Earl cools down, 2. You talk to him and he explains 3. You take some time to get to know him.

I've talked to him some. I don't know him well, but talked to him enough and heard enough. The level that he reached, his literal life-long quest to push himself to the limits of greatness, and his complete dedication to the game -- he has super sensitivity to any kind of nonsense or BS.


One example of what would trigger Earl would be -

A player using the whole-pocket to make a ball or balls all match long. Or getting lucky rolls, or even lucking a ball in or a safe.

Now, he doesn't even go nuts over that in and of itself. What sets him off to start talking is when the player fails to apologize or at least acknowledge in a subtle gentlemanly manner what happened. Sure, there's no obligation to do that. But it's a respect thing. To not acknowledge to your opponent is disrespectful. I've seen Shane and several other top players these days acknowledge to their opponent in those instances. It's just very fast and slight and subtle as they move around the table. Sometimes a slightly raising their hand to say "my bad" or they will look at them. Some of these guys crap a ball in or whatever, and they prance around the table all cocky like they accomplished something. That is rocket fuel ready to explode for Earl.

To be fair, Earl will criticize an opponent win or lose. Meaning, even when Earl wins he might still make comments about his opponent.


Anyway - there's a lot about pool honor that Earl believes in that many players don't practice. That's their right. And it's not Earl's right to bash them over it, but he does and it is what it is.

He also has expectations of the fans too. Many pool fans are dirt. He is right to feel hurt and betrayed. Maybe he's old school in having nationalistic ideas. He had to battle off the Filipino invasion his whole career. No loyalty from American fans. Americans are globalists when it comes to pool, while the rest of the pool world is like "F the Americans"

Most of the people on this board and in pool rooms are bandwagoners. most of them have NEVER been to a major tournament or several of them. They are just riding the hate-Earl wave that others talk about.

Most of what they say is regurgitated from others. Most of it is 3rd, 4th and 5th hand info at best.

Had these people been to a tournament back in the day - they would see something. They would see how all the Filipino fans are staunchly loyal to their players. And they are also RUDE...crowding matches and trying to shark US players in favor of their players. They shark with comments and other behaviors. American fans are dumb as rocks. Europeans are much smarter and recognize this clannish behavior - and the Euro's while from different countries and languages stick together to counter that. But our American fans? No loyalty and support from a lot of them.


Put aside the nationalistic stuff. Most of what Earl says and does is made up by fans and spread on the internet. I saw this first hand. I was sitting right between and behind Earl and Efren. Earl started doing his talking. Right away the big, big buzz in the crowd. Everyone's face lights up for the spectacle. Chatter starts up. I hear a couple of guys a few rows back "oh Earl's starting up again" ...and then they start spreading misinformation. The whole crowd was assured Earl is throwing a tantrum or being a jerk or complaining or something. All negativity. Heckling then starts. All the negative crap. The circus. Earl wasn't ranting, bashing or complaining. He was actually saying nice things about his opponent in that instance.

The reality is this. Earl's voice does not carry well. While he is very easy to hear that he is barking away about something, it is not easy to make out what he is saying. Because sometimes he's talking to himself, or to the wind. Sometimes to his opponent, sometimes to the crowd.

Quite often he isn't complaining. Or shitting on his opponent or the fans.

You'd be surprised that he does actually compliment his opponents sometimes. Or he's merely describing something about the match, or a shot he made or something that occurred.

When he's upset, most of the time he's not ranting about losing. He's ranting about something that wasn't ideal or right. Not necessarily that he didn't win.

Sure enough, people who do not hear what he is saying, just think he's being a total jerk. In fairness, Earl does not rant in complete thoughts at times. He will just start in the middle of a topic. Most of the time, the topic is above the heads of most intermediate or lower level players.

He is a jerk sometimes though - no excuses there. He has such high standards, when he starts getting judgmental of other players - he can say things that aren't appropriate. While I don't agree with that, I understand where it comes from. He can't stand certain things about other players playing pro level because of what he himself put into the game. So will will comment to them or about them. That he should keep to himself.


Anyway -- one thing is for sure, many great players respect Earl. They "get" him ...and it has nothing to do with his massive list of accomplishments.

One example is Rodney. I can't speak for Rodney, but I will say this -- players like him and others respect Earl (his words) and actually feel the same way about a lot of things as Earl does. However, they, unlike Earl, have the capacity to suppress that passion and not let it take over themselves. They also have the ability to understand that it's not a perfect world, and somethings won't change. They also realize it is pointless to fight certain battles. They just ignore or keep it outside themselves and focus on their own game. Earl doesn't get that, or perhaps he just can't control himself. Earl can't put up a wall. But it isn't only external things, he's also battling himself. His own absurdly high expectations and so when things aren't going right, he rants about himself. Yes, in the end, most of his complaints are about himself.


But that is not what gets reported. The big headlines are his reactions when he is baited and then triggered. Which is very easy to do.
 
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I understand Earl. I have hung out with him a little bit between matches and got to know another side of his personality. He's actually a very sweet Southern gentleman when you get to know him. Really very polite and treats women with respect in the traditional old-school Southern culture kind of way.

Like Keith, Earl has very strong feelings about professional pool tournaments in USA. It hurts to see the hometeam crowd rooting for a non-American on American soil. I guess it's like me going to the Washington Nationals game and being surrounded by a bunch of Yankee fans.:grin:

The Filipino invasion, the European invasion, and now the Asian invasion is hard to swallow for some American players from pool's golden years. Back then, the majority on the tournament player list was American players. But things change, of course, and thanks to the internet, people from around the world have connected in more ways than just pool. And the technology is continuing to evolve. This is good for pool but not good for some who want fans to root for the home team.

I used to go out with a strong one-pocket player named Geese. He was a road agent more so than a tournament player, and he made huge scores around the country because most people didn't know who he was. They had only heard the name "Geese" but had never seen him. This was before the days of internet and cell phones and Google.

Geese suffered from schizophrenia. He couldn't take losing, and when he did, everyone around him better watch out. I saw him throw an 8-ball across the room as hard as he could when he was losing in the Maryland State Tournament in Baltimore. Thank goodness the 8-ball didn't hit a person because it would have caused physical damage. He cursed out his mother and me both on the rail. Cigar Tom's wife came up to me and said if Tom ever treated her like that, she'd whip him with his pool cue. :o

Then there was the time that we were in Pittsburgh getting backed by a local stakehorse in a bar called Good and Plenty. Geese was losing against a local pro, and he came over to the stakehorse and cursed him out, threatening him. The stakehorse looked at me and said, "What's wrong with this guy? I'm backing him, and he's cussing me out. I'm on his team." It was embarrassing.

Then there was the time that Geese and I were on the road and getting staked and steered by a meat thief (long story). We were at a joint in Huntsville, Alabama, and I saw Geese losing big time on this bar table. I was green back then, real green, and I said, "What is wrong? I've never seen you play this poorly." Geese's opponent pulled up immediately after hearing me speak and unscrewed his cue, realizing Geese was laying down the lemon. Chaos ensued, and I ended up getting escorted to a bus station by a local sheriff. It was a 25-hour multiple-bus ride back to D.C. with only $5 in my pocket.

When Geese got his meds, he was a different person. He was joyful and fun to be around. Man, his laugh was infectious. Everybody loved hanging with Geese. Keith said one of the best times of his life was with Geese, laughing the whole day long. But when Geese didn't have his medicine, he was s different person, actually dangerous in some scenarios.

Geese self-medicated with pot. Now, personally, I don't see anything wrong with marijuana, but I don't smoke pot today, just to get it out there, even though I am Woodstock alumni. :wink:

But people like Geese with medical conditions sometimes self-medicate with pot, which alters their state of consciousness at will. If you have a medical condition and you do this, it can send your emotional scale up and down with huge spikes, much more so than someone without a medical condition. It causes outbursts and unusual behavior. Geese couldn't play pool without pot, but pot is what kept his condition on full tilt his entire life.

I had a lot of fun with Geese. We traveled the East Coast many times, and I used to think his behavior was B.S., that he was faking it, just acting like a spoiled brat, much like some accuse Earl of doing today. I was wrong. Geese was ill, and he dealt with it the best way he knew how. He was a good guy, truly, but he suffered from a medical condition.

Some say Earl should hang up his cue, that he's over the hill, his outbursts are too much, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Earl is a thoroughbred champion, like Alex Higgins, Willie Mosconi, Ronnie O'Sullivan, and Minnesota Fats. He will go down in the history books as an American pool phenom. Some folks cannot tolerate his behavior in competition when he goes off, and I get that. But I will always respect Earl Strickland. He's the greatest American pool player of my lifetime, and it's a damn shame that this stinking sport/game doesn't seem to bring the rewards that other sports/games do. But I digress. :sorry:


The first time I ever saw Earl was at Grady's All-Around in Tampa in 83. I met him in the practice room and ended up, over the course of 3 or 4 days, speaking with him a lot while knocking balls around, setting up shots, etc. Probably 4 or 5 hours, all told.You could not have found a more respectful, quiet, polite, nice kid. Ok, yes, this was obviously before any "condition" reared its ugly head but, just as mom always told us, "first impressions ( really do ) last" and that is the player I will always think of when I hear or see Earl's name mentioned. And as far his ability? As Louie used to say "Forget about it." I really do think he's the best 9ball player I've ever seen and I've seen a whole slew of them. When I see him acting out the way he's famous for these days, I don't feel anger or derision or feel he's "hurting pool". I simply feel sorry for him. And his acting out just brings those memories of that kid in 83 back even more clearly. It's an unfortunate circumstance all around. But strictly pool-wise? He'll go down as one of the absolute all-time greats. And deservedly so.
 
Earl is the biggest draw in pool....anywhere he is he draws a crowd. Having Earl at our place was great.
 
It seems this thread is turning more and more to common sense as a pool player sees it. Instead of a politically correct, watered-down version of a pool player.

I know there are issues but like I said at the very beginning of this thread, I don't care what anyone says, imo, the Pearl is here to stay and should be treated every bit as well as Efren.

In Efrens home town, Earl is almost as popular as efrem is. How strong is that?
 
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You've stated that before and you decide what's ok for you. I cant say I find your position wholly wrong.

McEnroe was tolerated- and not without a whole lotta haters-
coz he was a peak performer...someone highly and currently relevant.

Earl was those, but isnt, and he still takes the stage.

Therefore, he is subject to viewers' opinions of him and his actions.

But honestly, I'd be pissed too if I chose pool as a career. Especially if I had achieved what he did.

Right. McEnroe might not be so fondly remembered by the fans if tennis paid so poorly that he was forced to keep playing into his 50's, against the up-and-coming 16 year old phenoms.

Earl is a guy of phenomenal physical and mental gifts who picked the wrong sport, as you said.
 
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I'd say that depends entirely upon who is the referee.:rolleyes:

On Earl himself, why don't we have a trial on the internet? Oh...never mind.

Well, I didn't want to name names, but we know which refs would draw a crowd :)
 
I used to go to a pool hall in St Louis which had to move because the location was too dangerous. At the new and improved location the bartender was gunned down. Everybody in the place talked. If someone came in and wasn't talking people got worried about him.

Are you speaking of the old Billiards on Broadway turned Cuetopia/Cuetopia II?

Anyways, IMO Earl has done far more positive things for Pool than negative. Hes also a very caring and giving person off the table and out of the limelight. Combine that with the fact that he may very well have issues outside of his control and he would get a pass from me in most of these incidents.
 
the pearl

I have been competing and viewing Earl for about a decade as well, I would not be the player I am today - had I not watched him back in the early 90's. I have also competed next to him when there were issues in his match. I agree with his idea about moving the game to the ten footer as well. If we had a legit tour for pro players in USA (straight pool) :-) then that would also include a full staff of tournament officials and fines put in place for misconduct or poor sportsmanship. I know how it feals to be targeted by some yahoo wanna b in the crowd (who may be betting against you) and not have any tournament official there to stop the annoyance. Bottom line is if an established format for how to attain pro tour card ever does surface - I think Earl would be less cranky. Not defending anyone hear - just saying that in other sports the players have a more structured format and know where they will be in a couple yrs.Is it just me or does Las Vegas run pool in USA? If so then llok forwrd to more us bar table evnts.
 
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Earl is one of the greatest of all time, he hates jump cues and rack mechanic's. We need a referee for racking with no looking at or touching the rack! This would fix Earl and many other players.
 
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I really enjoy watching him play. When he can keep it all together, he is a wonder to behold. Unfortunately, he's just not wired right. Pretty sure he can't help it. Very, Very sad.
JMHO.
 
Then how was Jay able to prevent it? See Post #46 above.

At all times, Earl fully comprehends what he is doing. He is able to control himself when he needs to prevent himself from being penalized. He makes a choice how to behave and it is often a bad choice. Just because someone responds to one of his outbursts in the stands does not give him permission to go off on a loud and lengthy diatribe directed at everyone within earshot of him. Such disruptions are totally unfair to the other players competing on the surrounding tables, as well as his opponent.

I'm sure there will be many who continue to excuse his behavior under the guise of respect for the player he once was. I always saw my job as being fair to all players and not singling out some for favorable treatment. In hindsight I'm satisfied with the way I conducted myself as a tournament director and am proud of my record. I never looked for the limelight. In fact I felt that if I did my job well, no one would notice.
 
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Re:Earl's behaviour

Earl is one of the greatest of our American pool players. He is revered by many but could be revered by all. It's his choice. He can and does behave himself when consequences are properly explained to him. One instance I know of occurred a few years back at the US Open. A pretty good amateur from my home town entered the Open and the first person he faced was Earl Strickland. He was excited and, as expected, nervous to be playing this great player. He knew he stood no chance. After losing the first couple games Earl played a safe. My friend got his jump cue and that's when Earl began his usual tirade about jump cues. My friend listened to a few words the said "Mr. Strickland, I know I am not as good a player as you and never can be.....but I CAN whip your ass 7 days a week, forever. Now, I expect you to be as polite to me as I will be to you". Earl won every game and said not another word. You see, sometimes things have to be properly 'splained'. Ridiculous that manners need to be explained to adults.
 
I watched an hour long piece on Earl on youtube a little while back, sounds like he is broke, that he knows he has a shitty attitude, and I think he gets as upset as he does because he isn't making much $$$ shooting pool. Which sucks for a guy with his talent...not like he is going anywhere for a big $$$ match as an unknown. But does the attitude casue that a little bit??? Probably hurts him with sponsors.

I always root for him, because I know he needs to eat...but once he starts going off I can sometimes root for whoever is playing him, nobody wants to watch someone get sharked by the best in the world incessantly.

I understand REALLY REALLY hating losing...but then I haven't seen much out of him when he was up by 6 in a race...it always seems to be an impending loss that sets him on fire. If he ever gets his shit together and throws a little serenity now in that MOFO, I think he could still be a force.
 
At all times, Earl fully comprehends what he is doing. He is able to control himself when he needs to prevent himself from being penalized. He makes a choice how to behave and it is often a bad choice. Just because someone responds to one of his outbursts in the stands does not give him permission to go off on a loud and lengthy diatribe directed at everyone within earshot of him. Such disruptions are totally unfair to the other players competing on the surrounding tables, as well as his opponent.

I'm sure there will be many who continue to excuse his behavior under the guise of respect for the player he once was. I always saw my job as being fair to all players and not singling out some for favorable treatment. In hindsight I'm satisfied with the way I conducted myself as a tournament director and am proud of my record. I never looked for the limelight. In fact I felt that if I did my job well, no one would notice.


You, sir, have the patience of a saint. As much as I liked the Earl I met so many years ago and as much a I respect and admire hm as the player he is, if I had to TD with him in the field? I would probably just Taser him and take my chances with the legal system... it's one thing to see it on Youtube or even up close as an interested or uninterested railbird but as a TD? Or even a ref? Nah... don't think I could do it. You have my undying admiration, Mr. Helfert... ( that you haven't tasered him! ). :thumbup:
 
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