Earl Strickland Salutes the Fans at the 2008 Mosconi Cup

[gunzby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8pDccgPKxo

This is the Earl I would like to see. The crowd was loud and he was having fun. I know this wasn't a tourney, but the point stays the same

 

[JAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8pDccgPKxo

This is the Earl I would like to see. The crowd was loud and he was having fun. I know this wasn't a tourney, but the point stays the same

Wow, that was so cool. The railbirds had cameras on him, as well as papers in their hand for autographs. They were cheering, applauding, and having a good time. This is one crowd that appreciated the skill level of Earl. I enjoyed that, and thanks for sharing.

 

[gunzby]

My relatives came from the Oconaluftee Mountains area. I have one black-and-white photograph of the whole family. Interestingly, my grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee. However, the children in the picture from others had blond hair, which I never understood.

I was told that many centuries ago, before Columbus, the Vikings came to this land and, I guess, mated with some Native Americans at that time. That is one myth that was told to me, and I'm not sure if I believe it or not.

Lots of great pool players started out in North Carolina. There's Wade Crane, Cliff Joyner, Hillbilly, Michael Coltrain, and Earl, just to name a few! :grin:

My grandmother was a closed fisted woman not to be messed with from what I was told. Earl used to run around with a couple people I know from around here.....Lil Tony and Scott Wilhelm are two of em. He had fallings out with both of em for reasons that I won't disclose.

 

[shinobi]

I stand by my opinion based on what I saw when I attended this event.

Again, Earl complied with the referee's instructions, as he was supposed to.

Earl had no idea it was a foul until well after the event.

If Earl replied to Charlie Williams, it was in response to whatever Charlie said.

Again, Earl complied with the referee's instructions, as he was supposed to.

JAM,
There isn't much point in standing by opinion of attending at the event live when easily verifiable DVD footage exists. The footage is clear as day.

And you want to repeat your claim that "Earl had no idea it was a foul until well after event despite this already well known youtube video of Strickland himself admitting he cheated?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAPSHF0dXo

Earl explains in his own voice that he was upset about an alleged rock under the felt the previous shot, before he fouled. So when he did foul and the ref didn't see it, he felt just in getting away with it.

Earl's words are:
"cuz I just got cheated, see, by this table, I'm not gonna admit to nothing."

Of course that's just one sentence out of the entire video. Again, the original footage of the Skins event is NOT AMBIGUOUS. Even if you find some ambiguity in Earl's words (despite them being pretty straightforward) the footage is undeniable.

As for whether or not he was complying with the referees instructions, you could be correct about that. I already mentioned I was not worried about it nor attempting to reopen that old can of worms. Just clarifying what is in my opinion misinformation on your part.

 

[gunzby]

Wow, that was so cool. The railbirds had cameras on him, as well as papers in their hand for autographs. They were cheering, applauding, and having a good time. This is one crowd that appreciated the skill level of Earl. I enjoyed that, and thanks for sharing.

The most amazing part about that last trick shot he did was how nonchalantly he set it up. It looks like he basically threw it together.

 

[Fleece3]

Every time I see this photo of earl at the 2008 Mosconi Cup ,my blood boils ,this moron still doesn't understand it's not about him ,its about his representation of our great nation .If this doesn't convince those that select the players that this moron is not FIT to represent the USA then "ALL IS LOST" he has with his arrogance & ignorance given America a black eye which at this time or any other time is not needed

STOP ALREADY!!! These are the SAME fans that were chanting "You are a turd" to Earl!!! If you want respect, give respect. Earl has won 5 US OPENS, adn 6 World titles. Doesn't that count for something. If you want to give a clear view of the Euros, just check out how they treat their prime minister (our president) in the House of Commons. Our better yet, check out a futbol (soccer) game. When was the last time you had Euro type violence at a NFL game?

 

[JAM]

As for whether or not he was complying with the referees instructions, you could be correct about that. I already mentioned I was not worried about it nor attempting to reopen that old can of worms. Just clarifying what is in my opinion misinformation on your part.

Again, I stand by my opinion.

Immediately after this match on TV, Earl came up to me and my boyfriend in the hallway of the casino. He said, and I quote, "Did you see that shot? They said I fouled."

In other words, he couldn't believe he fouled.

Now, after he saw the footage, maybe he could see it. However, at the time this all unfolded, Earl Strickland had no idea that it was a foul.

Again, I stand by my opinoin. I was there. You were not.

 

[shinobi]

The most amazing part about that last trick shot he did was how nonchalantly he set it up. It looks like he basically threw it together.

I like it when he throws balls downtable and cuts them in while they are still moving, including behind-the-back shots. Is there an aiming system for that? :grin:

 

[gunzby]

I like it when he throws balls downtable and cuts them in while they are still moving, including behind-the-back shots. Is there an aiming system for that? :grin:

I find those shots to be most impressive....particularly because he tosses em pretty fast. The reason is because so far as trick shots are concerned there really is no set up for that.

 

[Fleece3]

cbi1000 is correct. I have the DVD of this event and the footage is not ambiguous whatsoever. Earl fouls, he clearly knows he fouled, and he clearly states "The ref didn't see it" to Charlie.

As for whether or not he should have insisted that the referee call a foul, this is an old topic and it's already been discussed ad nauseum so no point in revisiting it.

In this case, your attendance at the event might have actually been a disadvantage. Seeing it on camera it was clear as day, and might not have been so in person.

I saw Karen Corr do the exact same thing on ESPN (not accu-stats, but on national TV). Why has it not gotten the same attention as Earl?

 

[JAM]

I saw Karen Corr do the exact same thing on ESPN (not accu-stats, but on national TV). Why has it not gotten the same attention as Earl?

What about tour directors and tournament promoters who actually play in the event and then forfeit upcoming matches willy nilly. Nobody seems to see this conflict of interest as blatant cheating.

 

[shinobi]

Again, I stand by my opinion.

Immediately after this match on TV, Earl came up to me and my boyfriend in the hallway of the casino. He said, and I quote, "Did you see that shot? They said I fouled."

In other words, he couldn't believe he fouled.

Now, after he saw the footage, maybe he could see it. However, at the time this all unfolded, Earl Strickland had no idea that it was a foul.

Again, I stand by my opinoin. I was there. You were not.

You're right, I was not there.

In lieu of that, all I have to offer is real footage of the event that shows Earl fouling, obviously noticing he fouled, and saying so to Charlie Williams, while adding that "The ref didn't see it".

I also offered a recording of Earl explaining in his own words that he knew he fouled and what his reasons were for not admitting to the foul.

It appears that I could post a video of Earl himself saying, "This is a message to JAM at AZBilliards. I just wanted you to know that yes, I did foul, I did know I fouled at the time, and I was just sore about it" and you'd still say "No way I was there and you weren't. I stand by my opinion".

Truly bizarre...

 

[shinobi]

What about tour directors and tournament promoters who actually play in the event and then forfeit upcoming matches willy nilly. Nobody seems to see this conflict of interest as blatant cheating.

Agreed. Doesn't make sense for a TD to play in his own events due to potential conflict of interest. Not at a professional level, especially.

 

[JAM]

You're right, I was not there.

In lieu of that, all I have to offer is real footage of the event that shows Earl fouling, obviously noticing he fouled, and saying so to Charlie Williams, while adding that "The ref didn't see it".

I also offered a recording of Earl explaining in his own words that he knew he fouled and what his reasons were for not admitting to the foul.

It appears that I could post a video of Earl himself saying, "This is a message to JAM at AZBilliards. I just wanted you to know that yes, I did foul, I did know I fouled at the time, and I was just sore about it" and you'd still say "No way I was there and you weren't. I stand by my opinion".

Truly bizarre...

What's really bizarre is the fact that I have personally spoken to Earl Strickland on several occasions about this particular happening.

Have you?

 

[shinobi]

What's really bizarre is the fact that I have personally spoken to Earl Strickland on several occasions about this particular happening.

Have you?

No, I have never spoken with Earl about this or any other incident. But, what does that have to do with anything? I gave you a link to a recording of Earl himself admitting he knew he fouled. I also have the footage of the event in question, and it's clear as day.

 

[JAM]

No, I have never spoken with Earl about this or any other incident. But, what does that have to do with anything? I gave you a link to a recording of Earl himself admitting he knew he fouled. I also have the footage of the event in question, and it's clear as day.

Geesh, maybe you should re-read the thread for clarity.

I stated previously that at the time the incident occurred, Earl did not know he fouled.

In fact, immediately after the incident, he spoke to me and my boyfriend about it, asking if we saw the shot. He did not think it was a foul.

Whatever Charlie may have said to him in the heat of the moment, Earl may have responded that the referee did not see it. That does not negate the fact that Earl thought he had not fouled at that time.

Now, after the fact, Monday morning quarterbacking, maybe Earl viewed the video footage and came away with another opinion.

However, at the event, Earl did not believe he had fouled. He complied with the referee's (Scott Smith) instructions to go to his designated chair, as he was supposed to. That is how all player were instructed at the players meeting. They were to do exactly what the referee said, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Again, I stand by my opinion. I was there. Earl was there. Shinobi was not.

 

[shinobi]

Geesh, maybe you should re-read the thread for clarity.

I stated previously that at the time the incident occurred, Earl did not know he fouled.

In fact, immediately after the incident, he spoke to me and my boyfriend about it, asking if we saw the shot. He did not think it was a foul.

Whatever Charlie may have said to him in the heat of the moment, Earl may have responded that the referee did not see it. That does not negate the fact that Earl thought he had not fouled at that time.

Now, after the fact, Monday morning quarterbacking, maybe Earl viewed the video footage and came away with another opinion.

However, at the event, Earl did not believe he had fouled. He complied with the referee's (Scott Smith) instructions to go to his designated chair, as he was supposed to. That is how all player were instructed at the players meeting. They were to do exactly what the referee said, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Again, I stand by my opinion. I was there. Earl was there. Shinobi was not.

Nope, doesn't jive. Earl not only admits in that recording that he knew he fouled, but also the reason why he wouldn't admit he fouled at the time it happened.

 

[JAM]

Nope, doesn't jive. Earl not only admits in that recording that he knew he fouled, but also the reason why he wouldn't admit he fouled at the time it happened.

Nope, your opinion doesn't jive. I was there, Earl was there, and you were not. End of story.

 

[JAM]

This just in...

Many folks don't realize how much effort Earl Strickland puts into staying in shape. He exercises every single day and tries to eat healthy.

American legendary player Earl Strickland actually competed in the Olympics in Beijing.

He is a champion of all sports: Earl Strickland at the Beijing Olympics!

 

[worriedbeef]

shinobi just because Earl said aloud during play that the referee didn't see it, doesn't mean it's an admission he knew he fouled. It's a different point altogether.

personally, even if Earl DID know at the time he fouled, I don't necesserally blame Earl for stating that the ref didn't see it. They're playing a short race for quite a lot of money, why should he admit to it??

what is it about billiard games in general that people seem to think we need some holier than thou degree of 'sportsmanship'? These people are competitors at the end of the day battling for scraps as well.

it frustrates me when i watch snooker (main cue sport in england) and a players' arm hair touches a ball which doesn't affect the game in the slightest and the player gives up his turn declaring a foul on himself! I don't respect that at all, I think it's bloody stupid!

if i remember correctly in that video (can't watch it again now i'm at work), Earl makes a legitimate point about him feeling the equipment cost him a rack or something - so he said why should he feel obligated to donating ball in hand to his opponent? When you actually think about it and get past the instant "shock horror what a terrible thing to say", it's actually a decent point.