Earl's Foul
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Purdman said:
As far as I'm concerned, its a sickning display of bad sportsmanship. Charlie called the foul, Earl said no because the ref didn't see it even though he clearly knew it was a foul. It is not worth my reputation to cheat and that is exactly what Earl has done here. He gets no respect from me.
pharaoh68
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Snorks said:
Earl is a great player and a champion but he is not one of the game's great champions. A champion is merely someone who wins tournaments. A great champion is one who does so with class, grace, and integrity. What he did in this instance was nothign short of cheating and he did it so brazenly, its almost startling. But not so startling when you think back to some of his other tirades like shouting "England sucks" to Raj Hundal's family and countrymen at the Mosconi cup; taunting Mike Davis by telling him he sucks and he's just lucky at the World Summit of Pool two years ago; and... well I could go on but the point has been made.
Please, come down off your morale high chair. When was the last time you saw any pro sport which is being officiated have athletes say "Oh Ref, you missed that one"
When I play pool I don't volunteer any info. This forces my opponent to know the rules and pay attention to the game. If you ask me if I fouled I will always honestly answer, if you don't ask.......pay attention to what is going on.
I did happened to witness this in snooker, the ref ask the player if he thinks it was good, the player said, " I think I made a bad shot" or " yeah, I think it moved " or something like that. So the opponent got the next shot because it was foul.
It happens in snooker all the time, some players have called fouls on themselves in finals when NOBODY has seen it <eg slightly touched a ball with their hand>, alos when a shot is called a miss and the balls have to be put back the shooting player is trusted to tell the ref the position of the balls, they don't cheat.
I would also like to add that at the recent 14.1 champs young Nico Wehner the 15 year old kid called a foul against himself against me and I called one against myself in another match. Anything else is cheating IMO
I would also like to add that at the recent 14.1 champs young Nico Wehner the 15 year old kid called a foul against himself against me and I called one against myself in another match. Anything else is cheating IMO
NYC cue dude
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At all pro tournaments, before play begins at the players meeting, this always comes up. The tournament director always advises the players that it IS their responsibility to call the fouls on themselves. The players all acknowledge the responsibility, and yet in the heat of the moment this happens. I guess when people think they can get away with this garbadge, they try.
At the recent 14.1 straight pool championships, I saw 3 players call fouls on themselves, when the other player either wasn't paying attention or had thier view obstructed. My hats off to Tom Karabatsos, who called a fould while playing steve lipsky, jon smith who was playing pete fusco and john schmidt who was playing thorsten (although) everyone saw it. These matches were preliminary to the semi final rounds which meant there were no referees. I am sure there were more instances, but these three I saw myself.
True, the rule reads that if there is no ref, and the fouling player will not call it on himself, the other player is out of luck.
Sad to see earl and other great players continue this behavior. I would also agree, that this is just one small reason why pool is in such lousy shape today.
rg
At all pro tournaments, before play begins at the players meeting, this always comes up. The tournament director always advises the players that it IS their responsibility to call the fouls on themselves. The players all acknowledge the responsibility, and yet in the heat of the moment this happens. I guess when people think they can get away with this garbadge, they try.
At the recent 14.1 straight pool championships, I saw 3 players call fouls on themselves, when the other player either wasn't paying attention or had thier view obstructed. My hats off to Tom Karabatsos, who called a fould while playing steve lipsky, jon smith who was playing pete fusco and john schmidt who was playing thorsten (although) everyone saw it. These matches were preliminary to the semi final rounds which meant there were no referees. I am sure there were more instances, but these three I saw myself.
True, the rule reads that if there is no ref, and the fouling player will not call it on himself, the other player is out of luck.
Sad to see earl and other great players continue this behavior. I would also agree, that this is just one small reason why pool is in such lousy shape today.
rg
Purdman
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ne14tennis said:
Well good buddy, I don't mind setting a dishonest newbie straight on this one. As a matter of fact, it is my pleasure!
When we lose fundamentals, we supplant them with increasingly inferior values which we pretend are the true values. Tao Te Ching
Seems this is what you have done!
You just might want to re evaluate your low horse position!
Purdman
ne14tennis said:
This is another good point that complicates things a little bit. Players in most sports tend to put the onus on the refs to call or not call fouls/violations, and to dole out the penalty.
And I think the effect of seeing this kind of behavior in pro pool on TV has on the popularity of pro pool is grossly overstated. Let's be honest; it's largely an exposure problem (not the whole problem, but a large part of it). When was the last time you saw a pool event in a reasonable time slot? Even the IPT here on the west coast originally plays at 4 P.M. (although it does replay later in the evening). But all the pool on ESPN, when is it on? Again, here on the west coast, it's very typical for it to be on at 2 P.M. on a Tuesday. How many of us are home at that time?? If they gave as much TV time to pool as they do to poker, and in good time slots, I have no doubt pool would gain in popularity.
Anyway, back to the foul. I do still maintain that it's very hypocritical for a guy who did what Earl did to talk about "preserving the integrity of the game". As a matter of fact, here's two quotes about this:
"...Strickland insists everything he does spins from his desire to preserve the integrity of the game."
and
"'Anything I've done, good or bad, has been for the integrity of the game,' he says with convincing conviction."
That was from the BD article from a few months ago.
Purdman
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Liar To Boot
Anyway, back to the foul. I do still maintain that it's very hypocritical for a guy who did what Earl did to talk about "preserving the integrity of the game". As a matter of fact, here's two quotes about this:
"...Strickland insists everything he does spins from his desire to preserve the integrity of the game."
and
"'Anything I've done, good or bad, has been for the integrity of the game,' he says with convincing conviction."
That was from the BD article from a few months ago.
Now folks, Earl is not only a poor sport and a cheater, he is also a liar. I don't care if he can run 800 balls, he certainly should not represent this sport that I love.
Hall Of Fame My Arse, It is now the Hall Of Shame.
Purdman (In DA High Chair)
Anyway, back to the foul. I do still maintain that it's very hypocritical for a guy who did what Earl did to talk about "preserving the integrity of the game". As a matter of fact, here's two quotes about this:
"...Strickland insists everything he does spins from his desire to preserve the integrity of the game."
and
"'Anything I've done, good or bad, has been for the integrity of the game,' he says with convincing conviction."
That was from the BD article from a few months ago.
Now folks, Earl is not only a poor sport and a cheater, he is also a liar. I don't care if he can run 800 balls, he certainly should not represent this sport that I love.
Hall Of Fame My Arse, It is now the Hall Of Shame.
Purdman (In DA High Chair)
Pool is not a physical sports, it is a gentlemans game. Refs are there only for more difficult disputes, but for obvious ones, you don't need refs to rule on that. Just say, "I fouled, your turn". Why is it so hard to say this? I think Ronnie O also cede a shot because he double hit the cue ball. Nobody saw it, not even the the entire audience. The cue ball is so close to object ball that when he made the shot, the cue ball draw back to his cue before going forward. It was unnoticiable, but he felt it, so he said, he fouled, true enough when the camera was slowmoed, you could see the double hit.
pharaoh68
Banned
Purdman said:Anyway, back to the foul. I do still maintain that it's very hypocritical for a guy who did what Earl did to talk about "preserving the integrity of the game". As a matter of fact, here's two quotes about this:
"...Strickland insists everything he does spins from his desire to preserve the integrity of the game."
and
"'Anything I've done, good or bad, has been for the integrity of the game,' he says with convincing conviction."
That was from the BD article from a few months ago.
Now folks, Earl is not only a poor sport and a cheater, he is also a liar. I don't care if he can run 800 balls, he certainly should not represent this sport that I love.
Hall Of Fame My Arse, It is now the Hall Of Shame.
Purdman (In DA High Chair)
I will agree with you but only to an extent. I feel that Earl's place in the Hall of Fame is deserved as he is one of the best to ever play the game. He was a true competitor and a master of the the game. On skill and accomplishments alone, I do feel that he has earned his spot in the Hall of Fame. However, he is still an embarassment and for him to think that what he has done was to preserve the integirty of the game is truly laughable as all he has done was tarnish it even more.