Earl's Foul

I'm still at a loss how anyone can defend what Earl did, just think of the example he set to all the kids watching! :eek:

Anyway I strongly disagree about this not happening in "other" sports. Its been chosen to be ignored but it has already been stated that this happens frequently in Snooker WITH REFS and for LARGE amounts of cash. It has also happened (less frequently) in football(soccer), I forget the details but a player won a fair play award once for refusing to score when either a bad call was made or a player was injured, the players also throw the ball back to each other when a player has kicked it out due to injury. It has also been stated that this happened a lot in the recent 14.1 event, both with and without Refs I would like to add.

Earl actually said "he didn't see it though"! Is stealing ok if nobody sees you, rape, murder? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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I agree ...

Them are the breaks of the game. It is like a player going around saying he would have won the whole match if the 6 ball had not rolled off, and kept him from running out the rack. Did the player know the table rolled off at that place on the table? Why not? It is the player's responsibiltiy.
Think they are going to stop a tournament to relevel a table becuase of
a complaint?

Besides, when a player 'cheats', it usually comes back to bite them in the butt later, either by way of another error in playing (because they know they cheated before and it is on their mind), or the opponent starts getting breaks.

What about all these tournaments where the opponent fouls, and it doesn't get called because a referee is not present to call it.

You have 2 schools of thought:
1) Played strictly by the rules.
2) Played strictly as called by the officials, and officials are fallible.
 
nfty9er said:
I am talking about officiated matches, like when someone is assigned to referee. Duh. Golfers and pool players players call fouls on themselves as an honest player would when not being watched. If a referee is assigned, it is his job and he cannot call what he does not see like in any sport.
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Bottom line is he is a cheater. Any honourable person would of simply said yep, I fouled go ahead, ball in hand. Especially since he saw and called the foul.

My team-mate did something similar this year. It was a close push shot that could go either way, the other player did not call a referee, our player clearly fouled. The other player called it but our player then said "sorry you didn't call a referee so it's not a foul" and then they kept shooting. I was completely embarrassed by my teams action and went and apologized to the other team. I also had a "chat" with the person... Cheating is cheating. There is no place for it. What a role-model.
 
Hi Snorks,

I'm agree with you 100% on that, Earl is that type of person who will do anything to win a game or a match.

To me this is not acceptable from anyone and when you see a World class player like Earl "The Pearl" doing that, it make me sick just to think he did something like that trying to win a game or a match.

I'm sorry to say this, but a guy like Earl should show by example and treat others with respect at all time and we all know Earl as no class at all.......so don't expect anything from this guy. This guy will die being a cheater......beleive me.

And this guy as been named at the (BCA) Hall of Fame this year I think, I just can't beleive that.

Luc Comtois
 
No matter how much Earl is lacking in sportsmanship and fair play he certainly deserves his Hall of Fame award, he's probably the greatest 9 ball player that ever lived - his record proves that.
 
TheOne said:
No matter how much Earl is lacking in sportsmanship and fair play he certainly deserves his Hall of Fame award, he's probably the greatest 9 ball player that ever lived - his record proves that.
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We'll his accomplishments speak for themselves so yes he should be in the hall of fame. Of course, Pete Rose should be also for that matter if it was only based on accomplishments.
 
This article on the AZ home page was linked from another thread, I thought it deserved a mention here too.

"The finals table had been racking and breaking badly all day, and in the final, referee Chris Billings had a very tough job on his hands freezing the rack. To his great credit he gave it his full attention and dedication, but after taking a full FIVE MINUTES to rack the 18th game to the required standard, Gray broke and the 9-ball slid directly into the corner pocket, thus giving Gray a commanding 2 rack lead AND the break for what could be the final game.

It was at this point that the most magnanimous gesture I have ever seen in professional pool occurred.

In an outstanding gesture of sportsmanship, Gray offered a re-rack to Daryl Peach. Peach accepted immediately and after a brief consultation with the referee, the balls were racked again.

To be fair, this exact same situation occurred three times at this event to my knowledge, but I've never seen it happen in a final before when the money is so high and the ranking rewards so important.

It heartens this reporter to know that in Great Britain we have players who pride themselves on their reputation for fair play and sportingness, and shows an unprecedented level of respect for fairness, for the sport, and for themselves.

As things happened, Gray didn't really get another decent chance to get back into the game and afterwards was happy to concede that he didn't mind being beaten by Daryl, "because he's number one" referring to the BPPPA professional rankings. "

It mkaes my point better than anything I have written.
 
Snorks said:
Bottom line is he is a cheater. Any honourable person would of simply said yep, I fouled go ahead, ball in hand. Especially since he saw and called the foul.

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So Earl played by the rules and now he is a cheater.

Yep, that sure does make a lot of sense.

For you APA players you can read the rule book and see that a player is not required to call a foul on him/herself. If you want to then go ahead and do it, but you are not required to.

And what about Karen Corr? Everybody just dismisses the fact that she did the same thing. On TV, jumping over the 5 ball, two feet away from her eyes, the CB hit the five ball, moved it a foot, and she just stayed at the table and didn't call the foul on herself.

Why? Because that was not her responsibility. It was the ref's responsibility and he blew it.

And for the guy who made the 9 on the break and then offered a rerack? Did I read that right? How stupid is that? Am I to offer a rerack every time I make the 9 on a break because my opponent didn't rack right?

And look at all the times that Earl concedes a game by raking the balls. He does it out of respect for the other player yet he gets chided for doing that too.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
So Earl played by the rules and now he is a cheater.

Yep, that sure does make a lot of sense.

For you APA players you can read the rule book and see that a player is not required to call a foul on him/herself. If you want to then go ahead and do it, but you are not required to.

And what about Karen Corr? Everybody just dismisses the fact that she did the same thing. On TV, jumping over the 5 ball, two feet away from her eyes, the CB hit the five ball, moved it a foot, and she just stayed at the table and didn't call the foul on herself.

Why? Because that was not her responsibility. It was the ref's responsibility and he blew it.

And for the guy who made the 9 on the break and then offered a rerack? Did I read that right? How stupid is that? Am I to offer a rerack every time I make the 9 on a break because my opponent didn't rack right?

And look at all the times that Earl concedes a game by raking the balls. He does it out of respect for the other player yet he gets chided for doing that too.

Jake
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I'm not surprised by your feelings on this - after all, you advocate sandbagging. Apparently, you don't read the entire APA rulebook - there is a sportsmanship clause. Unfortunately, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "sportsmanship."

In all singles games/sports, whether it's golf, tennis, snooker, pool, badminton, whatever, there is a certain modicum of sportsmanship expected and demanded. The sad thing is that, for pool players, sportsmanship has to be defined.

Finally, Earl doesn't rake the balls out of respect for his opponent - he does it out of disgust for himself.

-djb
 
jjinfla said:
So Earl played by the rules and now he is a cheater.

Yep, that sure does make a lot of sense.

For you APA players you can read the rule book and see that a player is not required to call a foul on him/herself. If you want to then go ahead and do it, but you are not required to.

And what about Karen Corr? Everybody just dismisses the fact that she did the same thing. On TV, jumping over the 5 ball, two feet away from her eyes, the CB hit the five ball, moved it a foot, and she just stayed at the table and didn't call the foul on herself.

Why? Because that was not her responsibility. It was the ref's responsibility and he blew it.

And for the guy who made the 9 on the break and then offered a rerack? Did I read that right? How stupid is that? Am I to offer a rerack every time I make the 9 on a break because my opponent didn't rack right?

And look at all the times that Earl concedes a game by raking the balls. He does it out of respect for the other player yet he gets chided for doing that too.

Jake
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Jake, isn't I find it very interesting that many (not all) of the same people who think its fine for the IPT to do as it pleases with total disregard for anything other than itself also think Earl did nothing wrong in this instance. I think some of the stuff you say is amusing but you have lost your way my friend.
 
DoomCue said:
Finally, Earl doesn't rake the balls out of respect for his opponent - he does it out of disgust for himself.
-djb
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And anyone who thinks differently should not be commenting on Earl and his antics in any way because they obviously have little or no clue what they are talking about.

-Brian
 
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To stir the pot further...

Why wasn't Earl invited to the 1991 Challenge of Champions, when in fact he WAS the world 9 ball champion at the time?

Straight from Earl's mouth, because he would not throw the tournament to Mike LeBron like David Howard, Nick Varner, and Buddy Hall DID.

If you don't believe me, get the tape...David Howard had him stuck like a pimple, and somehow Mike magically comes back. That dog of the 8 ball by Buddy Hall is jaw dropping.

So before you guys all gang up on Earl, there are a few other characters in pool you may want to consider ganging up on.

Pool isn't exactly full of honest people with integrity and worth putting on a pedestal as role models. That is what is wrong with it as a sport...and that is why it will NEVER be taken seriously as a sport.
 
Pool isn't exactly full of honest people with integrity and worth putting on a pedestal as role models. That is what is wrong with it as a sport...and that is why it will NEVER be taken seriously as a sport.[/QUOTE]


Those are the people who need to be addressed. They are the problem and 50% of AZ'ers are a big part of it. Thank God for the good guys in our sport.
And for your information, the British guy who gave up the nine on the snap isn't stupid, he is honest my friend. A concept that many people fail to understand!
Purdman:cool:
 
Fact #1--Earl did not Cheat, it is not his job to call fouls with a ref present.
Fact #2--Every other pro player has done a similiar thing, so don't hang Earl out to dry.
Fact #3--This thread should be called Scotts Mistake, not Earl's Foul
Fact #4--Alot of people live in a fantasy world. Sport is about winning, and Earl didn't not cheat here. I'm sure he will sleep at night as 99% of his opponents would do the same thing if in the same situation.
Fact #5--I am not an Earl fan, I used to be, but seeing him live several time, I think he is a shark, and has no respect for his opponents.
 
Poolislife said:
LOL Perdman, have fun with all your best sportman ribbons!!
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Why thank you very much! For your information, my way has done me just fine. I sleep well and have nothing to be ashamed of. The best day of my life I pulled in $68,000 ( or should I say ribbons ) in your wonderful country and didn't cheat anybody to do it.;) As a matter of fact, I ain't doing to bad today either. You do it your way Poolislife and I will continue to do it mine. No problem buddy.
Purdman:D
 
Purdman said:
Pool isn't exactly full of honest people with integrity and worth putting on a pedestal as role models. That is what is wrong with it as a sport...and that is why it will NEVER be taken seriously as a sport.
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In other sports like football and basketball, oftentimes when there is a foul or a whistle blown, players point to the opposing player even though they may have been the one at fault. So pool players are not the only ones who try to slant the outcome in their favor.

Again, the underlying fault here is with the referee being totally out-of-position to see Earl's foul. It's up to the referee in all sports to keep the game on a level playing field. In this instance, the referee didn't do his job.
 
I murdered some guy last week, nobody saw me so its ok, hey its not my job to admit it let the cops do that. Besides I read in the paper that some other guy murdered somebody so Im not the only one!

Geez, what a thread!
 
TheOne said:
I murdered some guy last week, nobody saw me so its ok, hey its not my job to admit it let the cops do that. Besides I read in the paper that some other guy murdered somebody so Im not the only one!

Geez, what a thread!
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TheHalfaCouple,
I think you forgot to mention that you were drunk when you did it. Remember that alcoholism is a disease, it's not really your fault. And with Timberly not giving you the time of day, it's easy to see how you could be forced to drown your sorrows in a pint or two or three or four. In fact, you are almost a victim here. Perhaps Timberly should apologize (or at least be forced to serve some portion of your sentence if those bobbies catch up to you).
 
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