easily identify a runde schon?

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Onemoreyouth

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hello, i shoot pool with a nice older guy back home who has a very nice lookin schon he offered to me. he's asking 750 obo, thought maybe somebody in here would be interested if it IS a runde
its a four point, 2 or 3 veneer cue. could use a refinish, and is roughly 10+ years old.

does anybody know if its a runde simply by how old it is? or is there someplace i can look at all the old schon models to see if i recognize it?


thanks a lot.
 
Onemoreyouth said:
hello, i shoot pool with a nice older guy back home who has a very nice lookin schon he offered to me. he's asking 750 obo, thought maybe somebody in here would be interested if it IS a runde
its a four point, 2 or 3 veneer cue. could use a refinish, and is roughly 10+ years old.

does anybody know if its a runde simply by how old it is? or is there someplace i can look at all the old schon models to see if i recognize it?


thanks a lot.
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on yahoo go to www.palmercollector.com tate has good info on alot of schon cues if you don't take the schon email me pics to wade9ball@alltel.net i might be interested. thanks shane
 
I don't know much about older Schon cues. When did the points stop being sharp? They seem to all be rounded now.
 
Onemoreyouth said:
hello, i shoot pool with a nice older guy back home who has a very nice lookin schon he offered to me. he's asking 750 obo, thought maybe somebody in here would be interested if it IS a runde
its a four point, 2 or 3 veneer cue. could use a refinish, and is roughly 10+ years old.

does anybody know if its a runde simply by how old it is? or is there someplace i can look at all the old schon models to see if i recognize it?


thanks a lot.
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When we say "Runde era" cue, we are looking for milled points. The main idea is to look for razor sharp points and preferably sharp inlays. The stitch rings are also common but so are silver. Most of these sharp point cues were made before 1990, most in the 1984 - 1987 time period. Technically, Runde was still with Shon when they started using pantograph to inlay the points, as early as abouit 1988 I would say, but these pantographed cues are not what a collector considers "Runde era".

The older cues, in my opinion, also play better. Runde was a fanatic that the shafts weigh a full 4 ounces and the woods used for shaft tended to be dense. He was very careful fitting it all together and i think he tested all the cues before they were sold.

This section of my site contains a lot of Runde Schons.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonPage.html

Chris
 
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TATE said:
When we say "Runde era" cue, we are looking for milled points. The main idea is to look for razor sharp points and preferably sharp inlays. The stitch rings are also common but so are silver. Most of these sharp point cues were made before 1990, most in the 1984 - 1987 time period. Technically, Runde was still with Shon when they started using pantograph to inlay the points, as early as abouit 1988 I would say, but these pantographed cues are not what a collector considers "Runde era".

The older cues, in my opinion, also play better. Runde was a fanatic that the shafts weigh a full 4 ounces and the woods used for shaft tended to be dense. He was very careful fitting it all together and i think he tested all the cues before they were sold.

This section of my site contains a lot of Runde Schons.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonPage.html

Chris
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Chris,

You said it all!!!

Bill
 
TATE said:
When we say "Runde era" cue, we are looking for milled points. The main idea is to look for razor sharp points and preferably sharp inlays. The stitch rings are also common but so are silver. Most of these sharp point cues were made before 1990, most in the 1984 - 1987 time period. Technically, Runde was still with Shon when they started using pantograph to inlay the points, as early as abouit 1988 I would say, but these pantographed cues are not what a collector considers "Runde era".

The older cues, in my opinion, also play better. Runde was a fanatic that the shafts weigh a full 4 ounces and the woods used for shaft tended to be dense. He was very careful fitting it all together and i think he tested all the cues before they were sold.

This section of my site contains a lot of Runde Schons.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonPage.html

Chris
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Chris,
Thank you for your knowledgable explaination.
I am wondering if you could please tell me something about the butt cap, have they always been delrin?
I have also seen logo that was a bit different. Some looked as if they were engraved by hand, and some were a lot more "machined."
Also, I have come across late Schon which had a straight grain handle, aren't they all supposed to use laminated handle?
Thank you.
Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
Chris,
Thank you for your knowledgable explaination.
I am wondering if you could please tell me something about the butt cap, have they always been delrin?
I have also seen logo that was a bit different. Some looked as if they were engraved by hand, and some were a lot more "machined."
Also, I have come across late Schon which had a straight grain handle, aren't they all supposed to use laminated handle?
Thank you.
Richard
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Richard,

I wish I knew all this stuff, but I don't. Concerning the older Schons, from my own experience, I've seen factory buttcaps made from Delrin and black phenolic, like this: http://www.palmercollector.com/Schon/SchonDallasWest.html. Even these had the familiar "Schon" stamp, which is an imprint. If the cue is refinished, of course this thins it out - but I've never seen one that looked like it was engraved by hand.

I know one problem is Evan will refuse to replace a logo Schon buttcap if the cue has been altered. Therefore, it would not surprise me if some replacement caps have been copied "bootleg" by repairmen, although I have no specific knowledge of this. I have seen the same thing with old JossWest cues. A buttcap was replaced and someone stamped a logo with engravers tools.

The laminated handle thing - it would not surprise me one bit if Schon abandoned this idea, but I don't know for sure. As you know too, handles may be replaced by repairmen when they warp. The laminated handle added work to the cue and if the idea was to prevent warping, I'm sorry, it didn't work. Old Schons warp in the handle just like any other cue, especially if stored improperly in hot/humid conditions.

I would like to know where they got their linen. Many of them are soft and pliable and in excellent condition even after 20 years. Generally speaking, the Schons starting with the R series were built to be "bulletproof" and as such, many are in great shape after all these years.

Chris
 
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