Ebay fraud on Balabushka

With all the visits and activity, maybe third times a charm.....?
I've been wondering about this auction, but you didn't see my name in the bidders list.
 
Dawgie said:
How do you know it's a fraud? How can you tell?
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I have seen the same letter 3 times now. Pics are the same I think also. For a cue of this value there would be a lot more info provided.
 
as you have seen a few threads ago not every ebayer is a scam artist. someone tried to hint that a cue was a scam on ebay until he came in here and said it was his cue. he was a respected member

what if the guy wont take under 10,000$ for the cue. if someone didnt win the auction it could be relisted.

what is he suppose to take new pics everytime???

has anyone done your homewrok yet or tried to contact the seller???

ive had a plamer #17 on ebay 3 times am i a scammer.

tate after looking at my record u were the high bidder:D :D :D. didnt reach my reserve
while emailing you one day your name poped right up on my aol. i knew your email looked fimilar but couldnt remember why and thats the reason
 
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dave sutton said:
as you have seen a few threads ago not every ebayer is a scam artist. someone tried to hint that a cue was a scam on ebay until he came in here and said it was his cue. he was a respected member

what if the guy wont take under 10,000$ for the cue. if someone didnt win the auction it could be relisted.

what is he suppose to take new pics everytime???

has anyone done your homewrok yet or tried to contact the seller???

ive had a plamer #17 on ebay 3 times am i a scammer.

tate after looking at my record u were the high bidder:D :D :D. didnt reach my reserve
while emailing you one day your name poped right up on my aol. i knew your email looked fimilar but couldnt remember why and thats the reason
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Hi Dave,

There are some we know for sure are scams. Some of these auction have been popping up for several years, same cues, different screen names, new screen names, etc. One of the clues is the exact same wording from ad to ad. We've had them de-listed numerous times, but e-bay is just so swamped with this stuff in every category, they can't keep up with it. Sometimes we know the real owners of the cues.

I had one that was pretty funny. I sold a custom one-of-a-kind show cue on e-bay for a goodly sum. A few weeks later, someone copied my auction, and I got a stessed e-mail from the real buyer of the cue wondering how many I had. He also called the cue maker thinking that I scammed him.

This is e-bay's biggest weakness. It's ittitating that it's up to US to keep these scams out of the auctions, and how little help E-Bay is. E-Bay is a lot more concerned about getting paid their fees than they are about you getting ripped off. A lawyer some day may take E-Bay to court on the biggest class action suit of all time, and I personally consider them negligent because they do not use adequate screening and security in their system. Now we can't even warn bidders the auctions are scams.

Don't get me wrong, e-bay is a great thing, it's just not very well run and certainly not secure in my opinion.

Chris
 
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TATE said:
Hi Dave,

There are some we know for sure are scams. Some of these auction have been popping up for several years, same cues, different screen names, new screen names, etc. One of the clues is the exact same wording from ad to ad. We've had them de-listed numerous times, but e-bay is just so swamped with this stuff in every category, they can't keep up with it. Sometimes we know the real owners of the cues.

I had one that was pretty funny. I sold a custom one-of-a-kind show cue on e-bay for a goodly sum. A few weeks later, someone copied my auction, and I got a stessed e-mail from the real buyer of the cue wondering how many I had. He also called the cue maker thinking that I scammed him.

This is e-bay's biggest weakness. It's ittitating that it's up to US to keep these scams out of the auctions, and how little help E-Bay is. E-Bay is a lot more concerned about getting paid their fees than they are about you getting ripped off. A lawyer some day may take E-Bay to court on the biggest class action suit of all time, and I personally consider them negligent because they do not use adequate screening and security in their system. Now we can't even warn bidders the auctions are scams.

Don't get me wrong, e-bay is a great thing, it's just not very well run and certainly not secure in my opinion.

Chris
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Chris

It's like stopping the dam with your finger, you plug one hole and up pops another leak. In this case with eBay I think the hole they plugged, which was the prevalence of the phony "2nd Chance Offer" scam, was far more damaging to the community than the loss of the ability for members to communicate will be. eBay is still tweaking that fix BTW, the IDs are now transparent enough that I knew (I think) it was you that was just recently outbid on a still open cue auction (there you are, back on top). At the height of the phony "2nd Chance Offer" scams my under bidders alone were getting scammed for I would guess, an average of 1.5K a month (that I heard about), multiply my puny percentage by the total eBay dollars and it's clear that eBay had a big problem. Privatizing the Bidders IDs stopped that scam cold.

I'm not in favor of eBay becoming too structured, I much enjoy the free-market aspect of it, and the more you control a thing, the less free it is. The fix is, as it often is, education. You have educated yourself about the eBay marketplace and can operate with complete security and very little risk of loss.

Adjusting my eBay Hat and going back to taking pictures for my eBay auctions.

Kevin
 
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Advice on Balabushka

hoosier_cues said:
Anybody remember this cue. I remember seeing this letter 3 times now. This really gets old.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Balabushka-Titl...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I've been looking for a nice Balabushka, should I buy this one? I remember kicking myself when it sold for 3026.00 several months ago...this guy must not have liked the hit, probably too stiff for him. I like his positive feedback, no news is good news...those zany Europeans
 
tate i agree there are scams.

i didnt really get into my story bc i was busy but wanted to chime in.

if you go back to our conversations at one time i had about 8 or so cues on ebay at one time.

#17 palmer, a rich Q, 3 or 4 other palmers, a doc fry,and 5 karl mayers we talked about.
one day i logged on to check them and my #17 was pulled by ebay. this was when i browsed az and didnt p[ost. im sure that is bc someone wrote ebay and told them it was a scam. to me there are alot of ppl that are very fast to make statements they about something they know nothing about.

like i said someone sadi cubc's meucci was a scam ( or something close) and he came on and said it was his.

ppl should b more careful thats all.

its is always better to side on caution but some ppl are out of line
 
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TATE said:
This is e-bay's biggest weakness. It's ittitating that it's up to US to keep these scams out of the auctions, and how little help E-Bay is. E-Bay is a lot more concerned about getting paid their fees than they are about you getting ripped off. A lawyer some day may take E-Bay to court on the biggest class action suit of all time, and I personally consider them negligent because they do not use adequate screening and security in their system. Now we can't even warn bidders the auctions are scams.

Don't get me wrong, e-bay is a great thing, it's just not very well run and certainly not secure in my opinion.

Chris
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I just accidently ran across this on ebay, it's not pool related, but it's an example of just what might show up on ebay;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Perfect-Chinese...tcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Read the comments section at the bottom.... :)
Doug
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I just accidently ran across this on ebay, it's not pool related, but it's an example of just what might show up on ebay;
http://cgi.ebay.com/Perfect-Chinese...tcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Read the comments section at the bottom.... :)
Doug
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That's classic. I can almost guarantee you nothing will happen to the seller unless he is doing a huge volume in trade, and only then with great effort and expense by Gillette.

We were in China last fall and spent quite a bit of time shopping. Many of the knock offs are exact copies of items. The sellers try to tell you in some cases they are really from the same factory, but they are actually just fakes. Besides the usual stuff, they sell computers, i pods (that don't really work well), cameras, software (sealed, complete with registration code labels). I even heard of knockoff Yamaha motorcycles! I bought a nice lambskin designer jacket with a "Made in Italy" on the label along with some Chinese characters!

Selling small time on the internet is perfect for this. Get busted and change your account. Use yahoo e-mails, drop box shipping, and 3rd party IP addresses. The expense of determining who you really are would not necessarily be worth pursuing.


Chris
 
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