Ebony and Ivory 8 Pointer

Hey Chris.Nice cue.To help answer everyones Qs,I've been talking with Joel on a daily basis,have sent him a few cue sketches,designs,and have a cue currently on the way.I have played with just about all of the philli. cues,Miranda,Vhante,Audrick,etc.And they all have a similar hit.They all play exceptionally well.I can say I can actually pull off some of the more "creative" shots with more confidence with these cues than I can some thousands of $ american cues.You know thats all they do over there is play pool all the time so they're bound to know how to build a nice cue.Joel seems to be a very nice person.I've known him for just a few months now.But there is very good communication.
 
Rickey.. thanks for the comment. I've gotten two of Joel's cues, and as you said, he's great to deal with. I hate to sell this one, but the bills have to be paid.

Chris
 
Rickey said:
I know what u mean Chris!

Rickey, are you having Joel make one for you special, or are you going with one of his standard (for him) 8 pointers? I've been thinking of having him make me a MUCH more plain cue than what he usually does. With the quality and effort he puts into his cue, I think a 4 point, 4 veneer cue should be an easy one for him.

Chris
 
Devilish48 said:
............. "Joel does amazing work."............."As far as quality of build, I actually put him up there with anyone"

Chris.


let me first say that i'm not trying to stir up any trouble i just wanted to give just an observation about comments that i see all the time from others that claim certain makers do "amazing work". using your own picture below look at the defect in the shaft collar. imo this is unacceptable in any cue i and many others would ever own. it looks like the other collar is somewhat similar but since it's a bit out of focus i can't be sure. something like this most likely comes from either less than "amazing" equiptment or poor machining techniques. i don't know any maker who is in the "amazing" class making a similar cue that would ever let anything like this leave their shop. sometimes it's just a simple facing that could fix this. i always think if a maker can't see defects like this on the outside of a cue it makes you think about other things they didn't see while constructing the rest of the cue?.......once again this is just my opinion and if you like the cue than i'm glad for ya and i hope it works out well but when you use the word "amazing" in general terms to describe someones work it's best to know what "amazing" is beforehand......as for the second quote well i think you need to get exposed to all the "anyones" out there before you make a statement like this........all in all i hope you enjoy your cue.:)


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skins ----------- has a different opinion to what's amazing................
 
I don't use the word "amazing" lightly. I have cues by Tim Scruggs, Richard Black, Tad, Travis Niklich (Blackcreek) and others. If they aren't in the same class as anyone else's work, then I would like to know whose work you are referring to. The "defects" that you marked out on the shaft collars are called "lint". Here is a picture minus said lint.

Chris

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Devilish48 said:
I don't use the word "amazing" lightly. I have cues by Tim Scruggs, Richard Black, Tad, Travis Niklich (Blackcreek) and others. If they aren't in the same class as anyone else's work, then I would like to know whose work you are referring to. The "defects" that you marked out on the shaft collars are called "lint". Here is a picture minus said lint.

Chris

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for one thing you're showing the other shaft on the left side of the picture because it has the same of what looks to be a maple chip next to the inside of the collar. the same one i said i couldn't be sure if there was the same defect. the shaft that i said had the defect is the one on the right and it's not from "lint"......not to mention look at how "rough" the tap threading is and on the one you're showing plus the phenolic collar is showing a shadow which leaves me to believe it isn't flush with the maple.........both far from "amazing"....compare yours to the two new un-played shafts below. do you see the differences? the thread tap is smooth not mangled like in yours and the collars show no gaps or defects in fitting whatsoever. what i would expect from very good makers let alone "amazing" ones...... all in all as i said as long as your happy that's what matters...........



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skins ------------- knows amazing work when he sees it..............
 
I stand corrected. As I usually deal with piloted joint cues such as the Black, Scruggs and Tads that I own, I wasn't aware of how much better the joint collars and threads could be on a 3/8-10 joint. The examples you showed make the difference abundantly clear.

Chris
 
Devilish48 said:
I stand corrected. As I usually deal with piloted joint cues such as the Black, Scruggs and Tads that I own, I wasn't aware of how much better the joint collars and threads could be on a 3/8-10 joint. The examples you showed make the difference abundantly clear.

Chris

that's cool......like i said i didn't want to start any trouble. i just wanted to point out some things to look for when you're determining the "amazing" status of cue.............:)


skins ------------ resting comfortably again.................
 
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