efrens cue, dealing with scammers and edge hybrid shaft

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Celophanewrap said:
Ok, 1 day, after you had played without it, is that correct? Did you play on the table in your house, or did you take it to a pool hall or bar?
I must be missing the crack in the joint, where is that?
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Yes that is correct, I received the cue July 14th and I asked for the refund July 15th, So how is he gonna say that 2 weeks later I ask for a refund when it was 1 day. Also, it was basically the same day because it was close to 12 am when I sent the email saying I liked the cue and it was after 12 am when I asked for the refund which was the next day technically.

Played on my home table only and not long either.

Maybe not a crack but is like broken off. I honestly don't even know how someone can manage to do that to the joint and shaft. Never happened to me in the many years I played pool.

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Well, what I think is you bought a cue and decided you'd rather not have spent the money so you decided you w a need a refund, but that's just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like.
Pretty much you bought an "as is" used item, now you own it, like it or not. But if you're really that unhappy with it I'll give you $100 American for it, that's about 500 Canadian (isn't it? :D), I don't imagine you'll be getting a refund
 
So you guys are messaging each other through Ebay even though you "bypassed" Ebay for the sale?
Not sure how that's gonna work out.
Because it was a Paypal gift transaction with no fees, as opposed to an Paypal invoice for merchandise I believe the buyer is up the creek. What is he going to do? Show Ebay messages? It wasn't an Ebay sale.
Whether I buy or sell merchandise using Paypal directly I always use an invoice and ask for an invoice....btw I have over 40,000 individual transactions through Paypal...still haven't lost a dime (Paypal has actually covered some losses for me because of my history with them) although I've had a few close calls.
 
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ideologist said:
Refusing to accept the return can cause the following:

Money awarded to him, plus he can keep the cue since you refused a return.


It has happened that way more than once. I hope you have more proof for PayPal than you have in this thread. Keep it off the forum until the decision is made.
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Paypall used to not even give seller the option of a return, they just sent buyer his refund money, and billed seller for that amount.

So all a buyer had to do to get a refund (and probably keep the merchandise too) was to click on the paypoil web button "Item Not as Advertised" within 30 days after the sale.

Paypoul then tries to collect the refunded amount from the seller's account. Failing that, they will sell the 'debt' to a collection agency if not paid within 180 days.

The seller can ignore a collection letter at his own risk. If, years later, he goes to buy some big-ticket item where he needs a loan, it is very likely the Collection Agency 'debt' will have to be paid off before he can get the loan.

But in this particular case, it looks like a beat up cue was sold as being in better condition than it was, despite seller's protestations he has shown no pics taken right before shipment (always a good idea) so there is no reason to disbelieve the buyer, expecially with that payfoul as gift demand in there, which is patently and obviously a semi-fraudulent effort to beat someone out of something, like maybe the fees agreed to in the Terms of Service?

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Master, when should I avoid Paypail as Gift?
Grasshopper, you stupid twit, have I taught you nothing? Now bend over and mow the grass with these tweezers.
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Master, how can a cue stay free of chips at the butt, when the butt material is not very durable, and the rubber bumper only covers part of the butt end?
Grasshopper, you ignorant fool, how the hell should I know, I never stuck a rubber protector on a butt in my life, I swear. Now bend over more and keep mowing that grass, yea, that looks great.
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This deal is a mess. I would hope there were/are valuable lessons learned throughout the transaction as well into post transaction.

And a good question did arise here. I know what I do with any cue upon arrival. The cue gets laid out for careful, thorough inspection prior to being put into service. I would imaging you and others will do the same.

Good night:thumbup:
 
Dave-Kat said:
This deal is a mess. I would hope there were/are valuable lessons learned throughout the transaction as well into post transaction.

And a good question did arise here. I know what I do with any cue upon arrival. The cue gets laid out for careful, thorough inspection prior to being put into service. I would imaging you and others will do the same.

Good night:thumbup:
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HI Dave Kat you are right inspect the cue and if you are not
satisfied get back to seller and tell him cue was damaged and if
seller does not agree make a claim with Paypal providing that you
are protected with Pay Pal

Thats a lesson for everyone here who purchases cues on Azbilliards
or Ebay

In life you win some and you lose some



Cheers Leonard
 
Hey guys, paypal ruled in the favor of the seller because I bought it money gift basically. Now I will try to solve this issue with my bank.

I won't be scammed over this.
 
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So you guys are messaging each other through Ebay even though you "bypassed" Ebay for the sale?
Not sure how that's gonna work out.
Because it was a Paypal gift transaction with no fees, as opposed to an Paypal invoice for merchandise I believe the buyer is up the creek. What is he going to do? Show Ebay messages? It wasn't an Ebay sale.
Whether I buy or sell merchandise using Paypal directly I always use an invoice and ask for an invoice....btw I have over 40,000 individual transactions through Paypal...still haven't lost a dime (Paypal has actually covered some losses for me because of my history with them) although I've had a few close calls.
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Yes, I got screwed. I trusted antonio because of his ebay rep and now I have a beat up cue for 571$ Cad. Time to take this up with my bank.
 
sebroy9 said:
Yes, I got screwed. I trusted antonio because of his ebay rep and now I have a beat up cue for 571$ Cad. Time to take this up with my bank.
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Ill bet two dollars to a dog turd the the OP wouldn't have paid 500 or so for that cue,
with that damage. You might , I repeat, MIGHT, have gotten screwed. But that's what
you get for agreeing to use back door business practices. When you sleep
with dogs, it is certain you will smell like them. Should have refused the gift option.
I CERTAINLY would have. Because that's exactly what you did.....give them a gift!
Ebay is the one getting screwed here.
 
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buckshotshoey said:
Ill bet two dollars to a dog turd the the OP wouldn't have paid 500 or so for that cue,
with that damage. You might , I repeat, MIGHT, have gotten screwed. But that's what
you get for agreeing to use back door business practices. When you sleep
with dogs, it is certain you will smell like them. Should have refused the gift option.
I CERTAINLY would have. Because that's exactly what you did.....give them a gift!
Ebay is the one getting screwed here.
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Yes you are right. This is the first time I ever used a money gift to buy an item and it will be the last one for sure. I was naive due to his very good ebay rep I thought he was a good person. Wost case scenario I will have to ship out the cue in the states pay the shipping for back and forth and pay to get the cue repaired.. Because, I never in my life would I want to use a cue that is beat up like that, that's just not me, that's for people who gets mad and hits the cue on the table.......
 
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sebroy9 said:
Yes you are right. This is the first time I ever used a money gift to buy an item and it will be the last one for sure. I was naive due to his very good ebay rep I thought he was a good person.
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I dont know the OP. But when somebody tries to use shady practices during a business deal, that should tell you a lot about them. Thats the part I can't get over. When you bypassed ebay, you lost all your buyer protections. Of course you already know that now.
I would just take it as a lesson learned, and enjoy your new cue. You did say you liked the way it played. Take it out and kick some ass with it!
 
buckshotshoey said:
I dont know the OP. But when somebody tries to use shady practices during a business deal, that should tell you a lot about them. Thats the part I can't get over. When you bypassed ebay, you lost all your buyer protections. Of course you already know that now.
I would just take it as a lesson learned, and enjoy your new cue. You did say you liked the way it played. Take it out and kick some ass with it!
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Yes it's a great cue. It has a good weight and balance, perfectly straight on the table. However, I would not have bought it if the seller was honest about the condition of this cue.
 
sebroy9 said:
Yes it's a great cue. It has a good weight and balance, perfectly straight on the table. However, I would not have bought it if the seller was honest about the condition of this cue.
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I can't tell from pics. What model OB is this?
 
sebroy9 said:
Where exactly do you see the damage on the butt in this picture here?


I really don't see it at all.


Here is the real condition of the butt.... clearly a difference.
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Here and here.... The blue arrow on the one pic could very well be a photoshop mark covering up a spot where the chip caught some light...Ive worked with photoshop for many years and this is typical of what you'd find when you over expose a doctored photo.. Could very well be wrong and just a pic when the cue was less damaged but you can clearly see some damage... The other photo clearly shows the shaft collar damage...



 
An extraordinary amount of money for a used OB, whatever the condition.
An extraordinary amount of money for shipping.

No wonder the OP doesn't want to refund!
 
sebroy9 said:
129 .
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Now the picture became a little brighter. A new 129 at Seyberts is going for $483.65 usd.
Did it come with more then one shaft ( looks like two shafts for it in the pic.)?
Not sure what the conversion rate is, or the "across the border" shipping cost, but you could have gotten a new one for cheaper or the same as the one you got. Did you not do your shopping around? I assume you looked at new examples on the web.
 
skins said:
Here and here.... The blue arrow on the one pic could very well be a photoshop mark covering up a spot where the chip caught some light...Ive worked with photoshop for many years and this is typical of what you'd find when you over expose a doctored photo.. Could very well be wrong and just a pic when the cue was less damaged but you can clearly see some damage... The other photo clearly shows the shaft collar damage...



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Well damn, that's still fraud to me since you had to turn the contrast up so much just to make it out lol.
 
Ron Swanson said:
An extraordinary amount of money for a used OB, whatever the condition.
An extraordinary amount of money for shipping.

No wonder the OP doesn't want to refund!
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Yeah, I guess...

I still thought it was my best option, boy was I wrong.
 
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