End game 8-ball, what would you do?

renard

renard

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O.K. Jude I liked your endgame senario. Heres the one that happened to me last night.

Game: 8-ball, VNEA rules.

Situation: I was running out the rack and had to put draw on the 1-ball and miscued! My opponent in running out the rest of the table inavertantly bumped the 10 ball to it's current position. In his attempted breakout he scatches. I have ball in hand shooting solids. What would you do?

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renard said:
O.K. Jude I liked your endgame senario. Heres the one that happened to me last night.

Game: 8-ball, VNEA rules.

Situation: I was running out the rack and had to put draw on the 1-ball and miscued! My opponent in running out the rest of the table inavertantly bumped the 10 ball to it's current position. In his attempted breakout he scatches. I have ball in hand shooting solids. What would you do?

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lag the 1 ball near the corner where the balls are clustered hoping that next inning, you'll have a chance to shoot the 1 in and break the cluster open to get out.


Eric >or sumthin like that
 
Eric. said:
lag the 1 ball near the corner where the balls are clustered hoping that next inning, you'll have a chance to shoot the 1 in and break the cluster open to get out.
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I would do the same, except I would keep the 1 on the other end of the table. Creating a bigger cluster with your 1 ball might complicate things for you.

I'd lag the 1 into the opposite corner of where the cluster is, in case you need the position for the 8 on your next shot.
 
jsp said:
I would do the same, except I would keep the 1 on the other end of the table. Creating a bigger cluster with your 1 ball might complicate things for you.

I'd lag the 1 into the opposite corner of where the cluster is, in case you need the position for the 8 on your next shot.
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Just so we're on the same page, I was thinking:

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I'm not too worried about a return safe because the 8 ball is wired to drop if he plays the 10 ball. If he shoots my ball out of there, ther is the chance that he'll break open the cluster too. With BIH, I might get out.


Eric >or miss with BIH...


Eric
 
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I would call a safety, sink the 1 ball in the side and let the cb roll downtable to around the A and let him sell out.
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jsp said:
I would do the same, except I would keep the 1 on the other end of the table. Creating a bigger cluster with your 1 ball might complicate things for you.

I'd lag the 1 into the opposite corner of where the cluster is, in case you need the position for the 8 on your next shot.
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With lagging the one ball, wouldn't the opponent simply sink the one and create a stalemate?

Is the 8 frozen to the rail, with the 10 frozen to the 8? If so, perhaps playing the 1 into the short rail, to carom in off the 8. If you make the shot, the 10 should come off the 8 enough for a shot on the 8. If you miss, you'll likely keep the pocket blocked for hthe 10.
 
Eric. said:
Just so we're on the same page, I was thinking:

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I'm not too worried about a return safe because the 8 ball is wired to drop if he plays the 10 ball. If he shoots my ball out of there, ther is the chance that he'll break open the cluster too. With BIH, I might get out.


Eric >or miss with BIH...


Eric
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This is the best solution IMO. If he gives you ball in hand, sick the 1-ball off the 8 and it will be freed.

my .02

-Whoa
 
renard said:
O.K. Jude I liked your endgame senario. Heres the one that happened to me last night.

Game: 8-ball, VNEA rules.

Situation: I was running out the rack and had to put draw on the 1-ball and miscued! My opponent in running out the rest of the table inavertantly bumped the 10 ball to it's current position. In his attempted breakout he scatches. I have ball in hand shooting solids. What would you do?

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I would play more of a 1h shot. Bank the 1 softly off the end rail into the 8 to just move his ball out a little. Call 1 in corner in case it falls and if it does play the 8 for the win. Move CB down towards bottom rail a little so that you can play the rail first shot on the 8 if needed.

If you leave the 1 in the pocket, even if he tries the flier bank, he will have to get really luck for leave, whereas you can make the 1 from anywhere just about.

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Cheers,
RC
 
What I would do would depend on being able to look very closely at the set up of the 8-ball and 10 ball.

If I thought I could play a good snooker behind the 8 ball with BIH while nudging the 10 out of the way, I'd call safe, pot my 1 ball and leave him near the lower right corner pocket so he woud have to give a BIH. (assuming he cannot hit the 10 without pocketing the 8).

If this could not be done, I'd play the riskier shot to put the 1 near the pocket next to the balls, looking for a chance to kick the 10 out with BIH.
Tha shot is risky as you may flinch and not hit a rail, or hit it to hard, giving the opponent a shot to tie things up to hs advantage.
 
you have the nuts here. Just lag the one ball up by the cluster until is screws up no way you should lose here.
 
fred_in_hoboken said:
Is the 8 frozen to the rail, with the 10 frozen to the 8? If so, perhaps playing the 1 into the short rail, to carom in off the 8. If you make the shot, the 10 should come off the 8 enough for a shot on the 8. If you miss, you'll likely keep the pocket blocked for hthe 10.
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This is what I came up with too. You have to take care of whitey though so you can see the 8 if the 1 falls without hitting it hard. If you "juice it" and miss you could sell-out the 10.
 
Sorry I left you guys hanging. I was out playing pool.

The eight ball probably falls if you hit the 10 ball (It was resting a sixteenth inch off the rail.) My opponent looked at it several times and didn't want to chance it.

Eric's choice was the first one I thought of, but I declined that shot because of the chance of not getting a rail.

I then thought of putting it in front of the top lefthand corner pocket,but I thought my opponent would just pocket it and take the foul. So this is what I did:

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After I shot this shot I really didn't like it, but tried to make the best of it.
 

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So I tried a doulbe kiss with max left english soft, looking for a result something like this:

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I would lag the one ball down to the rail near the cluster but not to close. I would stop the cue ball and make him shoot long. If he gave me ball in hand I would carom the one off the 8 while bringing the cue ball out to the spot.
But hey, truth is I suck! So this is probably the wrong thing to do.
 
Renard,

If u were to have called safety & pocketed the 1 ball allowing the cue ball drift up table, do u think your opponent would have given u ball in hand?
 
renard said:
O.K. Jude I liked your endgame senario. Heres the one that happened to me last night.

Game: 8-ball, VNEA rules.

Situation: I was running out the rack and had to put draw on the 1-ball and miscued! My opponent in running out the rest of the table inavertantly bumped the 10 ball to it's current position. In his attempted breakout he scatches. I have ball in hand shooting solids. What would you do?

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I guess I might do something like this...

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5ballcharlie said:
you have the nuts here. Just lag the one ball up by the cluster until is screws up no way you should lose here.
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Never say never. You do have the nuts. If I were the opponent, I'd slow kick at your one ball and hope I make it without disturbing the balls. If that happened, the game has still a few innings to go.

Fred
 
Fore Rail said:
Renard,

If u were to have called safety & pocketed the 1 ball allowing the cue ball drift up table, do u think your opponent would have given u ball in hand?
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Yes he probably would have after attempting a rail first (short rail) grazing of the ten ball.
 
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