English on shots without rail

When teaching a newbie how to play the vertical axis, do instructors at least explain the concepts of deflection/squirt so that the student understands why the cue ball did what it did when their newbie stroke caused them to hit either side of the vertical axis?
 
arcticmonkey said:
When teaching a newbie how to play the vertical axis, do instructors at least explain the concepts of deflection/squirt so that the student understands why the cue ball did what it did when their newbie stroke caused them to hit either side of the vertical axis?
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But of course, and it is short and simple, just so they know why not to use English at this time......and get use to hitting the cue ball on the vertical axis and be very comfortable doing it....

and yes, deflection is explained as well. but we just don't dwell on it for very long.......
 
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Neil said:
Baloney, you trying to be respectful...if that were true, you wouldn't be making up crap about me to try and put me down. You do it to many others on here too. YOU are the one always distorting things and using putdowns like you did right above. And, I'm not you, I don't care who people learn things from, as long as what they learn is worthwhile and beneficial. Some of what CJ says is just that, so get off your agenda. Fact is, you got busted while taking another jab at instructors, and can't handle it. Too bad.
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I have no idea what you are talking about with all that vagary.

What crap did I make up about you?

What crap did I make up about someone else?

What did I distort?

What put down above?

You mis-state again, I have told you several times that I don't care about WHO, I only care about WHAT ANYONE might be able to teach me that I can take to the table to perhaps enhance my game. It is YOU that is fixated on the word PRO.

Some of what CJ says is what? Did you mean worthwhile & benficial?

I have no agenda except to see if there is something I might add to my game & to help others if I can.

How so 'busted' & what can't I take? I'm still here & inviting you to be more clear.

What 'jab' at instructors?
 
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ENGLISH! said:
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English: I've coached since I was 21 & was the pitching coach for a Championship Middle School Team who's ace pitcher that I coached went on to very successful high school & college careers & was drafted by Houston. Their minor league coaches ruined him by making him learn & throw the curve ball. He did not need a curve ball becuase he had straight speed, moving speed that I taught him, & a great change up that I & another coach combined to teach him.

CRJ: LMAO. You are a legend in your own mind. If not for some certified and/or professional coaches "changing" this kid for the worse, he would have been a champion based on your teaching him.....wait for it...... a fastball !!!

Oh, and while we are at it, please provide his name, I'd love to know the poor kid who coulda been a contender, coulda been somebody, had he only listened to you and NOT the experts....

Thanks for the laughs Rick....I feel better now....
 
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ChicagoRJ,

Long rebuttal deleted.

You have revealed your true nature.

Interesting that after I make this post the above post is edited down. I chalk that up to a change of heart.
 
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arcticmonkey...Absolutely! None of us are saying we won't/don't teach sidespin to newer players. What we are saying is that it only makes sense to learn the physics of what makes things happen on the vertical axis...and how just that can improve a player's understanding dramatically. Sidespin can be a friend or foe, depending on your personal understanding and application of why and how things happen on the pool table. Squirt (cueball) and deflection (cuestick) are taught in the first lesson with any student. We also teach when, where, and how much to be concerned with them.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

arcticmonkey said:
When teaching a newbie how to play the vertical axis, do instructors at least explain the concepts of deflection/squirt so that the student understands why the cue ball did what it did when their newbie stroke caused them to hit either side of the vertical axis?
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arcticmonkey said:
When teaching a newbie how to play the vertical axis, do instructors at least explain the concepts of deflection/squirt so that the student understands why the cue ball did what it did when their newbie stroke caused them to hit either side of the vertical axis?
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I don't believe in spoon-feeding players I'm trying to help. Some players like to experiment on their own. What's wrong with allowing someone to figure something out for themself? Sometimes it sticks better when you work it out yourself. I would rather guide and help someone on their path of self discovery than force feed them something they may not be ready to absorb.

My point is there is no cookie-cutter way of helping someone with their game, unless of course, you are teaching a group. Then you have no choice but to go with a fixed program.
 
I've been pulled into some distraction of late.

I just want to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Ratta & Ms. Crimi for your replies. I tend to agree with your opinions more so than some others.

That being said, I also thank all that responded to my inguiries regarding any possible 'pitfalls' regarding the intended use of english & as to when one should LEARN (not be taught) the intended use of english.

Thanks All,
 
ENGLISH! said:
I learned something else from CJ Wiley last night. I will now 'try' to adapt his attiitude in regards to certain factions of the AZB population.

I will now try to be an alligator in pelican feathers.

You Have a Great Day,
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Well, anything will be an improvement... hey, don't bite my head off, I'm just agreeing with ya :)

Yeah, I never hold grudges.....just the way I roll.
later, RJ
 
ChicagoRJ said:
Well, anything will be an improvement... hey, don't bite my head off, I'm just agreeing with ya :)

Yeah, I never hold grudges.....just the way I roll.
later, RJ
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I don't hold grudes either, but I have a very good memory for certain things.

How does it go? Forgive & Forget.

I'm okay with the first part but I have a little trouble with the second.

You have a good day,
 
ENGLISH! said:
I don't hold grudes either, but I have a very good memory for certain things.

How does it go? Forgive & Forget.

I'm okay with the first part but I have a little trouble with the second.

You have a good day,
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that's why they invented the ignore feature,,, you won't hurt my feelings ;)
 
ENGLISH! said:
Is that really why they invented the ignore feature, because of those that can forgive...but not forget?
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there's that wicked sense of humor of mine that you just can't seem to grasp... kudos... I'll try and be more subtle next time so it does not go over your head. MY APOLOGIES to you Sir !!
 
ChicagoRJ said:
there's that wicked sense of humor of mine that you just can't seem to grasp... kudos... I'll try and be more subtle next time so it does not go over your head. MY APOLOGIES to you Sir !!
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It did not go over my head, just as that 'dig' did not, just before you 'apologize'.

You yourself describe your sense of 'humor' as 'wicked'. How do you think one would take something 'wicked' over text format, with no tone or inflection along with it.

Perhaps that is the problem. Many people can't truely communicate & thus miscommunication is the result, which then starts a snow ball fight.

Just like this 'last word fight'. We would probably want each other as team mates in real life.

Have a good day,
 
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ENGLISH! said:
It did not go over my head, just as that 'dig' did not, just before you 'apologize'.

You yourself describe your sense of 'humor' as 'wicked'. How do you think one would take something 'wicked' over text format, with no tone or inflection along with it.

Perhaps that is the problem. Many people can't truely communicate & thus miscommunication is the result, which then starts a snow ball fight.

Just like this 'last word fight'. We would probably want each other as team mates in real life.

Have a good day,
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You might be right on the team mate part... but it seems everyone else kinda understands my sense of humor here.... but hey... maybe they all just got real lucky :)
 
ChicagoRJ said:
You might be right on the team mate part... but it seems everyone else kinda understands my sense of humor here.... but hey... maybe they all just got real lucky :)
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I guess you're right. You all must be on the same weird wicked humor wave length.

Sometimes things don't come across so clear & the same when one is on the receiving end.

I could even take that last line as a bit of a dig if I didn't know better.:wink:
 
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randyg said:
Foresure.

randyg
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Can you be more accurate predicting squirt and hitting off from the vertical axis or shooting centerball and hoping no squirt takes place?



If you had to make 90 of 100 spot shots that were a 30 degree cut for a million dollars would you shoot any of them with english?
 
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