But the problem lies that if you don't know that the product was recently marked up 15% before said sale then that 20% off coupon might be the only thing that gets you off your computer and into the store to purchase something you don't really need anyway. It's brutal and Florida has had this problem for many years.
entry fees+added money-TD fee-greens fee=really?
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I under stand what he is saying. I run a 10k added tournament. We add 10k and pay out the entry fee money +10k.
So what he is saying is if I say I'm adding 10k but take out td fee and table fees. I'm not really adding 10k. So tournaments should say what fees will be deducted on the posters. So players know what they are playing for.
So what he is saying is if I say I'm adding 10k but take out td fee and table fees. I'm not really adding 10k. So tournaments should say what fees will be deducted on the posters. So players know what they are playing for.
That's exactly right. I don't care if they add $10000 or $10, as long as they're honest about it and not trying to be misleading.
Cleary, so if it wasn't the room doubling as promoter... How would you feel about it?? An outside promoter adds $2k, pays their expenses, then u have the prize fund... Is that different to you than when the room is the promoter??
Just curious
Joe
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Joe
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It's really the same thing. The point of adding money is to get people there, I get that... Then it's on them to make up for that money added with food/drinks/raffles etc. If they cannot make up for it, then just don't add money.
Yep, it's exactly the same thing and whether you are a room, a promoter, or both you need to cover expenses.
I don't understand why a pool event should open its books to you or anyone else anymore than any privately held company is required to... That's what you are in essence asking for , them to act like a public/governmental entity with full accounting disclosure. Are they a non-profit charity??
You don't like their methods, advertising, whatever... Don't play. That's your choice.
Is their advertising fraudulent?? Don't know haven't seen it.
Personally, I want to see field size, entry fee and top prize and maybe number of positions paid...
But that's me...
Been on my soapbox long enough today at work... I'm out.
Be well and best of rolls.
Joe
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I don't understand why a pool event should open its books to you or anyone else anymore than any privately held company is required to... That's what you are in essence asking for , them to act like a public/governmental entity with full accounting disclosure. Are they a non-profit charity??
You don't like their methods, advertising, whatever... Don't play. That's your choice.
Is their advertising fraudulent?? Don't know haven't seen it.
Personally, I want to see field size, entry fee and top prize and maybe number of positions paid...
But that's me...
Been on my soapbox long enough today at work... I'm out.
Be well and best of rolls.
Joe
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Seriously, Cleary, my first question to you is, "How would you state what you want on a poster so everyone would understand how much the added money would be?" Use your own figures, I'm interested. Added money and green fees are two different items and where the added money comes from and where the green fees go to are two different cans of worms. They cannot be combined.
Anyone who complains about a tournament put on by the pool room (as long as everything is above board), should be put in a "time out" to think about it. Let me give you some things to think about.
If a room adds $2000 in hopes of getting a full 64 player field, the room is taking a gamble that that happens. Using your figure of $1400 returned to the room in green fees, that leaves the room at a loss of $600 immediately. As this is a 2 day event, let's not forget that the room will have virtually no income from table rental on the Saturday (usually the best day for rental). I'll guesstimate, from my experience, on the low side that that loss is about $2,000. So that puts the room a total of $2600 in the hole. I'm not even going to count the poster making, charts, advertising, staffing, etc. dollars and resources that could have been used elsewhere. The room is in the hole for $2600 and drew 64 players for the event and another 36 people that normally wouldn't be there to watch the event.
So...in other words, the room has brought in 100 people to satisfy a $2600 loss. The Stupid guy in the audience says, "That's not such a big deal, they only need to spend $26 per person for two days to make that up. Hell, I spend that in drinks." Sorry stupid guy, it's not that easy. That would be somewhat true if food, beverage and labor were all donated to the room, but, it isn't. Putting the numbers in simplest form, the room needs to sell approximately $10,400 worth of product just to break even on that $2600 loss. That now means that those 100 people need to spend $104 each. C'mon folks, were talking about pool players. When was the last time you spent $52 at your room and it didn't include pool time?
As long as the 4 items that Cleary brought up is clearly stated on the poster/ad, tournament players should be on their hands and knees thanking the room owner and TD for giving (yes, literally giving) a tournament for them to enjoy and participate in.
Sorry this was long but I haven't posted in awhile. Too busy with my island.[/QUOTE]
Great post..... but be careful you are looking at the big picture and using logic (usually a big no no around here). Taking a quote from a great movie staring the legendary Mr. Nicholson and putting a little twist:
Question: How do you write about Pool Players so well?
Response: I think of golfers and I take away reason and accountability.
Anyone who complains about a tournament put on by the pool room (as long as everything is above board), should be put in a "time out" to think about it. Let me give you some things to think about.
If a room adds $2000 in hopes of getting a full 64 player field, the room is taking a gamble that that happens. Using your figure of $1400 returned to the room in green fees, that leaves the room at a loss of $600 immediately. As this is a 2 day event, let's not forget that the room will have virtually no income from table rental on the Saturday (usually the best day for rental). I'll guesstimate, from my experience, on the low side that that loss is about $2,000. So that puts the room a total of $2600 in the hole. I'm not even going to count the poster making, charts, advertising, staffing, etc. dollars and resources that could have been used elsewhere. The room is in the hole for $2600 and drew 64 players for the event and another 36 people that normally wouldn't be there to watch the event.
So...in other words, the room has brought in 100 people to satisfy a $2600 loss. The Stupid guy in the audience says, "That's not such a big deal, they only need to spend $26 per person for two days to make that up. Hell, I spend that in drinks." Sorry stupid guy, it's not that easy. That would be somewhat true if food, beverage and labor were all donated to the room, but, it isn't. Putting the numbers in simplest form, the room needs to sell approximately $10,400 worth of product just to break even on that $2600 loss. That now means that those 100 people need to spend $104 each. C'mon folks, were talking about pool players. When was the last time you spent $52 at your room and it didn't include pool time?
As long as the 4 items that Cleary brought up is clearly stated on the poster/ad, tournament players should be on their hands and knees thanking the room owner and TD for giving (yes, literally giving) a tournament for them to enjoy and participate in.
Sorry this was long but I haven't posted in awhile. Too busy with my island.[/QUOTE]
Great post..... but be careful you are looking at the big picture and using logic (usually a big no no around here). Taking a quote from a great movie staring the legendary Mr. Nicholson and putting a little twist:
Question: How do you write about Pool Players so well?
Response: I think of golfers and I take away reason and accountability.
Buffalo Billiards does not charge ANY FEES nor does he collect quarters/dollars for table time on their FREE weekly tournament OR their MONTHLY tournament where he adds all of the money.
Some pool room owners can't afford to do what Buffalo Billiards does but that doesn't excuse any of the other tournament promoters from spelling out the details of precisely how money is collected, spent and paid back to the tournament players. I know no one is getting rich off of holding pool tournaments but it would be appreciated if the money trail was completely transparent. Maybe then we wouldn't see so many of these type threads, although I am glad to see this getting discussed in so many different ways.
JoeyA