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ICUE said:
I was practicing the other day and missed a couple of easy shots. So I figured I was getting lazy and not really concentrating on the ball. So I tried to really concentrate on seeing the cue ball contact the object ball. I was surprised that by doing this I could not see the ball go into the pocket except out of my preferal vision. This was different, as I would usually shoot then watch the ball go into the pocket. Which made me think that I could be missing some shots by looking to the pocket before the cue ball made contact with the object ball. So I made me wonder is there a "right way" follow the cue ball to the object ball. Any feedback would be appreciated.
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When I am Playing well. I my eyes focus on the shot And my ears tell me if I made it. Most times The only way I know if I made a shot (or missed it) is by the sound the ball makes when it hits the pocket. (Best sound in pool IMO).
 
pooltchr said:
It is truely amazing how important your personal eye patterns are to your game. I was in a slump a couple of years ago, and just couldn't figure out why. I ended up playing pool with Randy for a couple of hours, and on the way home, asked him what he had observed. His very simple answer was that my eye patterns were off. That was all I needed to hear, and after about a week of PEP drills, I was right back on top of my game.

As Randy likes to say, PEP is the second most important thing we teach in pool school.

Steve
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I came across this thread while searching google looking for information on where my eyes should be when shooting. I know my eye pattern is off and would like to correct it. So my question is what does PEP stand for. You say PEP is the second most important thing, so what is the first?
 
wonderd said:
I came across this thread while searching google looking for information on where my eyes should be when shooting. I know my eye pattern is off and would like to correct it. So my question is what does PEP stand for. You say PEP is the second most important thing, so what is the first?
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P.E.P stands for Personal Eye Pattern. P.E.P is just a part of your Process. The Process is the first thing you must create before anything else can become Ingrained....SPF=randyg
 
thank you for the clerification what is SPF? and what is the proper eye pattern for shooting pool? I still have not came across a clear answer
 
wonderd said:
thank you for the clerification what is SPF? and what is the proper eye pattern for shooting pool? I still have not came across a clear answer
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Clear answer? These are personal. Any answer here could be wrong for you.

SPF stands for SET-PAUSE-FINISH. These are the three mandatory stops of your cuestick. We use SPF as a grading system for your stroke....SPF=randyg
 
i just came back from playing and i notice before i shoot my eyes bounce back and forth between the OB and the QB. I really wish i could find some professional steps.
 
wonderd said:
i just came back from playing and i notice before i shoot my eyes bounce back and forth between the OB and the QB. I really wish i could find some professional steps.
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Try spending a little time with Randy, Scott, or myself...we can get you on track.

Steve
 
im not to sure what you mean? would you be able to just tell me the proper steps to take when aiming and where my eyes should end up before the shot?
 
what i would like to know is the proper steps to that one part, and where should my eyes be before taking the shot?
 
"ingrained"

randyg said:
P.E.P stands for Personal Eye Pattern. P.E.P is just a part of your Process. The Process is the first thing you must create before anything else can become Ingrained....SPF=randyg
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How many years does it take before the stroke is "ingrained" hardwired or subconscious? It has been almost 2 years, & although I think I finally have the movements down, my conscious mind frequently disrupts me.
 
It takes as long as it takes. However, if you still don't have the habits of a good stroke ingrained after two years, there is something else going on. For me, I felt like the SPF stroke had been pretty much locked in after about 3 months.

You have to do the drills, and you have to get the mental part of your game locked in as well. The stroke is just the first part.

Steve
 
berlowmj2 said:
How many years does it take before the stroke is "ingrained" hardwired or subconscious? It has been almost 2 years, & although I think I finally have the movements down, my conscious mind frequently disrupts me.
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If your stroke is Ingrained wrong, you may never get over the hump. See a SPF Instructor and get an analysis....SPF=randyg

What City do you live in????
 
@berlowmj2 and the other guys :)

i m far away from the experience like Randy, Scott and Steve already have- but i can tell you for sure, that the way they re teaching is a very successful one. I just made a very long break about 10 years and just came back- even so for giving lessons etc and of course play again for myself sometimes. And Randy just saw such a short vid from me...and just told me one thing-which also depends on pep and my rythm (was taught nearly the same by a old famous Cadre World Champion), and it was all about the SPF and PEP. This guy (RandyG) so amazing.....seeing 1 vid from me (about 1 minute) ...tellin me 2 sentence (one important, the 2nd were greets :p)......and my game was gettin like a comeback...i couldn t believe it and im still so glad that i let him watch the vid. The next following 2-3 days shot several nice runs again in straight-pool- and i can tell you: this really happend just because of this experienced and great instructor. It s almost impossible to analyze yourself- there s nothin better than a qualified instructor.

I, for myself will try to give this idea to other students as often as i can- for me the best method.


lg from germany,
Ingo
 
wonderd said:
can some explain where your eyes should be looking before you take the shot?
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Various places depending on where you are in your shooting checklist, but I think what you are asking is where should the eyes be when you are making the final complete forward motion. It that is your question, your eyes should normally already be locked in on your target.

Steve
 
i c, so while your strokeing the stick (haha) to move the ball foward(the final stroke), my should be looking at the point on the object ball where I want the QB to hit. I should not be looking at the QB or any spot on the table, just the OB correct?
 
wonderd said:
i c, so while your strokeing the stick (haha) to move the ball foward(the final stroke), my should be looking at the point on the object ball where I want the QB to hit. I should not be looking at the QB or any spot on the table, just the OB correct?
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Close, but not quite. Your eyes shouldn't be on the cotact point, since that isn't where you are aiming. Aim point and contact point are two different things, unless you have a dead straight-in shot. Your aim point is your target, not your contact point. Of course, if you are shooting a kick shot, your aim point is on the cushion, so that is where your eyes need to be focused. There is a time for your eyes to be focused on the cue ball and the tip of your cue, but it is before you are ready to start your final forward stroke. By the time you get to pause (the second stop in your stroking process), be looking at your target.

Steve
 
i understand completely where my eyes should be now, but could you explain the stroking process a little bit and what i should be doing between the stops?
 
Your question really can't be answered in a couple of paragraphs on an internet forum. I often spend 3 or 4 hours in person with students explaining the stroking process and how PEP fits into the process. Attempting to answer a question like this here would require over simplification that probably wouldn't be very beneficial.

Your best option would be to spend some time with a qualified instructor who can not only answer these questions, but help you develop a plan that will incorporate the information into your own personal game.

Steve
 
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