F/S: Pair of Mottey shafts
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Nine Ball said:
You dont get it. Its very simple, the shafts were misrepresented by you. You have to take them back.
Nine Ball said:
Oh, I think it's pretty clear...
~ Seller offers Mottey shafts for sale and advertises them as 12.7 and 12.8
~ Buyer specifically asks Seller in his FS thread to verify the size
~ After getting confirmation back, Buyer sends seller his payment
~ Seller ships shafts
~ After receiving the shafts, Buyer measures and sees they are on the low side on 12mm, therefore not as advertised
~ Buyer asks Seller to return shafts for a refund
~ Seller refuses to allow shafts to be returned for a refund and introduces the story about how they weren't actually his, the money is gone, he took the other guy's word and didn't actually measure them, bla, bla, bla
~ Buyer is left to try to sell the misadvertised shafts himself to recoup his loss
~ If/when that happens, maybe Seller will make up difference
Does that about sum it up?? I think you've definitely helped me to get a better understanding.
BTW, this isn't a crappy situation. People sometimes make mistakes. What's good is that you now can step up to the plate and correct it. Josh, Joe did not buy the shafts from your buddy.....he bought them from you.
Do the right thing.
cueaddicts said:Oh, I think it's pretty clear...
~ Seller offers Mottey shafts for sale and advertises them as 12.7 and 12.8
~ Buyer specifically asks Seller in his FS thread to verify the size
~ After getting confirmation back, Buyer sends seller his payment
~ Seller ships shafts
~ After receiving the shafts, Buyer measures and sees they are on the low side on 12mm, therefore not as advertised
~ Buyer asks Seller to return shafts for a refund
~ Seller refuses to allow shafts to be returned for a refund and introduces the story about how they weren't actually his, the money is gone, he took the other guy's word and didn't actually measure them, bla, bla, bla
~ Buyer is left to try to sell the misadvertised shafts himself to recoup his loss
~ If/when that happens, maybe Seller will make up difference
Does that about sum it up?? I think you've definitely helped me to get a better understanding.
BTW, this isn't a crappy situation. People sometimes make mistakes. What's good is that you now can step up to the plate and correct it. Josh, Joe did not buy the shafts from your buddy.....he bought them from you.
Do the right thing.
I hear what you are saying Sir. I knew you would have something to say about this because you just drilled me BECAUSE I WOULD NOT POST A PRICE ON A CUE! Thanks for your reply.
~ Buyer asks Seller to return shafts for a refund
~ Seller refuses to allow shafts to be returned for a refund and introduces the story about how they weren't actually his, the money is gone, he took the other guy's word and didn't actually measure them, bla, bla, bla
~ Buyer is left to try to sell the misadvertised shafts himself to recoup his loss
~ If/when that happens, maybe Seller will make up difference
Does that about sum it up?? I think you've definitely helped me to get a better understanding.
BTW, this isn't a crappy situation. People sometimes make mistakes. What's good is that you now can step up to the plate and correct it. Josh, Joe did not buy the shafts from your buddy.....he bought them from you.
Do the right thing.[/QUOTE]
I DID NOT REFUSE A REFUND. I said I had to wait for my buddy to get the cash. I didn't give a story I explained the situation about the cash and the shafts. Joe and I both decided to try and have them put up for resale. There's no maybe on the difference. I have offered $100 out of my own pocket back towards the shafts. As I said, I knew you would drill me here because you just did on the other thread when I wouldn't post a price and only accepting offers. I guess let the rheaming of me begin huh?
~ Seller refuses to allow shafts to be returned for a refund and introduces the story about how they weren't actually his, the money is gone, he took the other guy's word and didn't actually measure them, bla, bla, bla
~ Buyer is left to try to sell the misadvertised shafts himself to recoup his loss
~ If/when that happens, maybe Seller will make up difference
Does that about sum it up?? I think you've definitely helped me to get a better understanding.
BTW, this isn't a crappy situation. People sometimes make mistakes. What's good is that you now can step up to the plate and correct it. Josh, Joe did not buy the shafts from your buddy.....he bought them from you.
Do the right thing.[/QUOTE]
I DID NOT REFUSE A REFUND. I said I had to wait for my buddy to get the cash. I didn't give a story I explained the situation about the cash and the shafts. Joe and I both decided to try and have them put up for resale. There's no maybe on the difference. I have offered $100 out of my own pocket back towards the shafts. As I said, I knew you would drill me here because you just did on the other thread when I wouldn't post a price and only accepting offers. I guess let the rheaming of me begin huh?
I think we should let them work it out just between the 2 of them? im sure all this history + commenting does not help in the selling of the shafts.. classiccues has been very patient and constructive in wanting to move forward, and im sure Josh is also trying his best to recitfy the situation. it is not a very nice situation to be in at both ends and i do hope Josh manages to resolve this issue. Meanwhile why dont we stop commenting our opinions on the issue since it does nothing to promote the sale which will bring an end to this.. Just my 2 cents.
Hey guys, I gave him till Friday to make it right (however that may be).. so if he isn't jumping up today at this moment, its not a big deal. I am patient and we are trying to see how it all shakes out. Yes, its unfortunate and we'll see what happens. The sale of the shafts will help I am sure.
JV
JV
if by chance you have any Paul mottey shafts that have ivory ferrules and black collars with silver rings, i would like 1 13mm.. possibly 2...
let me know.. thanks..chris
let me know.. thanks..chris
classiccues said:
Joe,
You have received a few offers on the shafts. What have they been? I told you if nothing comes from my so called friend I will shell out 100 from my own pocket. What were the offers? I wrote you and asked but you didn't write back.
Nine Ball said:
PM Sent. Josh you have already seen the responses. I happen to agree, you need to make good. You own these shafts, as far as I am concerned. The lack of offers just proves my point that the shafts aren't worth 150 each. Your friend owes YOU, not ME. It's already been established that I asked YOU to check the shafts BEFORE you made the deal. And to boot YOU replied that they were 12.7. Now its time to stop acting like a kid and saying "well its my friend.." this is what happens. You made the deal, and its YOUR responsibility.
BTW its ONE offer, not OFFERS.
JV
classiccues said:
I need to stop acting like a kid? I'm not even going to waste my time with that comment. This has been a bad situation on both ends. I am willing to meet you in the middle and we both come out the same way. You have been offered $100 for the shafts and I do feel they are worth more then that. $50 each? That's a joke to me. Considering who made the shafts and because of the Ivory ferrules. Also, Take in to consideration that you can't get a shaft from Paul for less then $250. So $50 for these shafts at this size is still undervalued. The size these shafts are is still within reason for play by many. Snooker players, Females, and just anyone who likes thinner shafts. As I stated earlier, If you decide to take the $100 for the shafts when I definitely feel you can get more, I will give you an extra $100 out of my own pocket. This gives you $200 for the shafts. We both take a small same amount loss and just chalk it up on the one loss side. If I can get any money out of my friend when he gets some it will surely come your way. I am making an attempt to do what I can. I'm sorry it has turned out this way. I will repeat that I have never had a problem until now and everyone has always been more then happy. It's a guarantee that something like this will not happen again. I'll await your reply.
I was just informed by Joe that there was an offer for $125 now. I definitely feel these should go for atleast $150. Anyway, If the $125 is accepted I will still send the $100 out of my own pocket. This now makes $225 for the shafts. You take a very small loss and I take a $100 loss. Bad situation that can be resolved and nobody really gets hurt but we both lose. It's your call.
Nine Ball said:
Any way you read this I don't see how Joe should be taking ANY LOSS on this deal. You misrepresented the shaft size, so you should take 100% responsibility for them. What is all this whining about your friend? How does that have ANYTHING to do with Joe, and the fact that you screwed up the shaft diameters?
-Roger
Nine Ball said:
Josh,
Absolutely not. You need to make good, this isn't anywhere near acceptable.
I am not losing anything on this deal. I was very specific and you, not your friend, answered my question on the shaft size. I don't care if you need to kick the crap out of your friend for the difference.
JV
buddha162 said:
There's no whining about my friend. If you read back over the whole thread you wouldn't have to ask. I didn't screw up the shaft sizes.. My friend is the one who checked them and told me the sizes. I didn't check them as I am not the one with the calipers.
Nine Ball said:
I shouldn't and won't be agreeing to taking ANY loss. I outright ASKED you before you ACCEPTED the payment what the shafts were. YOU told me that they were 12.7mm. They are not. It's not a bad situation on both ends, just YOUR end. It doesn't matter who made the shafts, the ivory doesn't matter, they are UNPLAYABLE to the guy you lied to.
"The size these shafts are is still within reason for play by many. Snooker players, Females, and just anyone who likes thinner shafts."
Then YOU need to find these people to buy the shafts. It has nothing to do with me. I am not chalking it up as a loss, and I don't give a crap about your "guarantee" it won't happen again. YOU need to make sure it don't happen NOW.
Joe
Nine Ball said:
But YOU made the arrangements and YOU made the statement that they were 12.7 when YOU were asked to MAKE SURE and VERIFY they were.
Joe
classiccues said:
Joe,
Well, I am making an attempt to resolve this situation the best I can. Your being very stubborn. I am taking a loss greater then yours here. You have came to within a $75 loss out of $300 with the option still open that my friend could possibly come up with the other $75 that would go straight to you. I know he does not have the money now but in just saying when he did have it to give. I am making an attempt. I don't know what else to say. It's just a bad situation for both of us.
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