F/S: Pair of Mottey shafts

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Nine Ball said:
You are one tracked here I can see. I DON'T REFUSE TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. I AM TRYING TO BY THE MEANS THAT I CAN!!!!!!! This is the last reply you get from me Magnetardo.


Yes, I am the one that is "one tracked" but when I suggesting you get a min wage job to pay the buyer that you defrauded out of $300 you scoffed at me. So I guess you are too proud to work for min wage but not too proud to defraud someone out of their hard earned money?? Nice.
 
Nine Ball said:
Ok, This is a joke. Something that has went a place it didn't have to go because Joe is stubborn. This is getting out of hand.

Oh man you can't be serious. I am stubborn???? Would you have sent me the shafts if I had only paid you 200 and said wait for the rest till my WICA checks come in? You should tell your "friend" to rehock his item and to refund the money because right now your reputation and availability to sell and buy items is getting demolished.

BTW I also offered a solution.. you need to send me serious collateral if you want me to wait for the money. This is also more than fair.

JV
 
Nine Ball said:
Joe,

Look at how you go about business. I hope everyone is seeing this. You resort to name calling, Trying to put me down. You sure are a great businessman. You should know better then to act that way no matter what the situation be. What's wrong with you? I'm standing here trying to give you your money back the only way that I can and you, Well I don't have any idea what you are doing. You want your money back but when I offer a solution you don't want it. That's funny. I hope all you readers are really seeing this for what it is.

Give it a rest.. they are all seeing it for what it is.. its YOUR fault. EVERYONE of the other poster point that out, not 75%, not 85% but 100%%%

JV
 
Nine Ball said:
Yeah right... I'm ripping you off... What a joke! I have offered a solution for you to get all your money back but You are being unreasonable. I really do hope everyone is seeing this for what it is. You resort to name calling and trying to put me down. You sure do great business.. I am doing what I can. Came up with the solution for you to get all your money back. Yet you just want to sit here and call me names. hah.

I told you send me COLLATERAL if you want to hold up the 300. I want it in full, I don't want partial payment. I want something serious. Not a beanie baby or Mark Brunells rookie card, I want something that will make you pay or your "friend" to pay YOU as soon as possible. Right now YOU have proven to be beyond untrustworthy, you lied, you misrepresented an item YOU sold.

JV
 
Everyone, Josh is a good guy. I knew him when I was a about 20 and he was probably tipping 17 years of age (and he played good back then too). I don't think he should be banned for this. I think you can write this off to a learning experience. BUT - Josh....

as a seller *never* spend the money until you have feedback from the customer that they are 100% satisfied - then you will never be in a predicament like this. I've had numerous transactions through AZB - with 100% satisfaction everytime. One time I sold TATE a Palmer, and he did not feel it was as described. After reading the first email regarding his dissappointment in the cue, I paypalled him his refund - no questions asked (and he didn't ask for a refund). Reputation in business is everything....and you can't let yours go bad over $75. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad in these transactions, but if you follow the golden rule - you'll have more good transactions than bad. I learned from my experience, and what you should take from this is that you should ALWAYS know/describe every last detail of the cue as accurately as possible.

Josh - if you need $75 I can spot you and paypal it to Joe, and you can get me back when you have the funds. Lets just get this all cleared up so we can move on. I think this has been blown way out of proportion. Let me know what you want to do.
 
Matt_24 said:
Everyone, Josh is a good guy. I knew him when I was a about 20 and he was probably tipping 17 years of age (and he played good back then too). I don't think he should be banned for this. I think you can write this off to a learning experience. BUT - Josh....

as a seller *never* spend the money until you have feedback from the customer that they are 100% satisfied - then you will never be in a predicament like this. I've had numerous transactions through AZB - with 100% satisfaction everytime. One time I sold TATE a Palmer, and he did not feel it was as described. After reading the first email regarding his dissappointment in the cue, I paypalled him his refund - no questions asked (and he didn't ask for a refund). Reputation in business is everything....and you can't let yours go bad over $75. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad in these transactions, but if you follow the golden rule - you'll have more good transactions than bad. I learned from my experience, and what you should take from this is that you should ALWAYS know/describe every last detail of the cue as accurately as possible.

Josh - if you need $75 I can spot you and paypal it to Joe, and you can get me back when you have the funds. Lets just get this all cleared up so we can move on. I think this has been blown way out of proportion. Let me know what you want to do.

Matt,
If you think he is this solid, you need to paypal me with no loss of money on my end, or don't get involved. This guy is proving what is wrong with internet sales and now even left a comment in my rep point area telling me "bad way to go about business". The guy is defrauding someone and then tells that person he is wrong. You got to be kidding me. Its not blown out of proportion, there is ONE solution, thats get me the 300. The fact that asked me to try and sell the shafts should have clued me in right away to how this would end up. So now I get a bad bill of goods and then I have to sell them? WTF is that?

JV
 
classiccues said:
Matt,
If you think he is this solid, you need to paypal me with no loss of money on my end, or don't get involved. This guy is proving what is wrong with internet sales and now even left a comment in my rep point area telling me "bad way to go about business". The guy is defrauding someone and then tells that person he is wrong. You got to be kidding me. Its not blown out of proportion, there is ONE solution, thats get me the 300. The fact that asked me to try and sell the shafts should have clued me in right away to how this would end up. So now I get a bad bill of goods and then I have to sell them? WTF is that?

JV

Ahhhh, come on Joe, be a sport and take one for the team !!! :rolleyes: :eek: :cool: :mad:
 
cueaddicts said:
Ahhhh, come on Joe, be a sport and take one for the team !!! :rolleyes: :eek: :cool: :mad:

Dude,
writing to me in this situation, "bad way to do business" just put me over the edge. I mean you have to be a real j.o. to feel that way. They say dealers are the problem.. yeah maybe junk dealers.

JV
 
Maybe send joe your Sugertree cue to hold. Joe will send you the shafts back so you could sell them again on Ebay if you wished. Set a date that is agreeable to the both of you that Joe should recieve payment by say 1 month from today. If you don't pay he keeps the cue. This should get you motivated to come up with $300. In my opinion you should also reimburse him for any shipping that he had to take out of his pocket. The buyer should be out nothing. Hope that this idea helps.
 
Josh,
As someone who has had a good transaction with you (and left you good feedback) I feel compelled to let you know that you don't have a leg to stand on here.

case scenario:

You go to the electronics store and buy a Sony DVD player for $100.
The clerk gives you a box labeled "Sony DVD player".
You go home, open the box, and it's a Sony Tape player.
You take it back to the clerk to return it.
The clerk tells you, "hmm, Sony must have mislabeled this. Go ahead and try to sell this tape player".
You find a buyer for the tape player willing to pay you $50 for it, and you inform the clerk about it.
The clerk tells you, "I can give you $25 and then you'll only be out $25, and when and IF Sony pays me the remaing amount then I will give it back to you. Oh, and by the way, Sony is filing bankruptsy so your odds of recouping that remaining $25 are pretty slim".

This is not okay. While the store you bought the item from was unaware that the item was mislabeled, it is COMPLETELY their responsibility to take the item back and refund you the full amount you paid.

Your responsibility now is to either:
1. refund all the money in full FIRST and then go after your friend to reimburse you for it on your own.
2. if you cannot afford option 1, send collateral to be held until you can afford option 1.

The buyer is not being unreasonable. He simply foresees that if he accepts partial payment now, the balance will most likely never be paid.

Understand that I'm taking the time to write this because I want to help you understand the buyers perspective on this, not to make you look bad, or to attack you.

I hope you work this out without damaging your reputation further as that would be a shame, but will be inevitable should you not handle this professionally.
 
If I were the seller, I would do whatever it took in order to make things right with the buyer. Even if I didn't agree with it. Even if I thought I was being ripped. Even if I didn't have the money.

I would write a hot check or whatever it took to get the money back to the buyer. I would deal with the hot check later. All of my future transactions depend on how I handle this trasaction as a seller.

The buyer should be out nothing. Period.
 
classiccues said:
Dude,
writing to me in this situation, "bad way to do business" just put me over the edge. I mean you have to be a real j.o. to feel that way. They say dealers are the problem.. yeah maybe junk dealers.

JV


It is a bad way to do business. Your being a total J.O. about this as your saying about me. Your this oh so big time dealer and for you to act this way in front of everyone is bad. You could of handled this situation better! I told you it would be made up and you would have all your money back but you are the one being a J.O. about it......
 
lenoxmjs said:
Maybe send joe your Sugertree cue to hold. Joe will send you the shafts back so you could sell them again on Ebay if you wished. Set a date that is agreeable to the both of you that Joe should recieve payment by say 1 month from today. If you don't pay he keeps the cue. This should get you motivated to come up with $300. In my opinion you should also reimburse him for any shipping that he had to take out of his pocket. The buyer should be out nothing. Hope that this idea helps.


We are only talking about $75 here. What do you mean send him a high dollar cue? And Joe says send him some serious collateral, Serious collat for a whole $75? You have got to be joking...
 
classiccues said:
Matt,
If you think he is this solid, you need to paypal me with no loss of money on my end, or don't get involved. This guy is proving what is wrong with internet sales and now even left a comment in my rep point area telling me "bad way to go about business". The guy is defrauding someone and then tells that person he is wrong. You got to be kidding me. Its not blown out of proportion, there is ONE solution, thats get me the 300. The fact that asked me to try and sell the shafts should have clued me in right away to how this would end up. So now I get a bad bill of goods and then I have to sell them? WTF is that?

JV


Joe,

This is a total joke. You have your buddies bad mouthing me and it's ok but when one person says something good about me you tell them to not get involved? Listen to yourself. Total joke....
 
Nine Ball said:
We are only talking about $75 here. What do you mean send him a high dollar cue? And Joe says send him some serious collateral, Serious collat for a whole $75? You have got to be joking...


I know you aren't going to understand but you are the joker here.

Only $75 .. if it's only $75 then pony up the damn $$.
 
Matt_24 said:
Everyone, Josh is a good guy. I knew him when I was a about 20 and he was probably tipping 17 years of age (and he played good back then too). I don't think he should be banned for this. I think you can write this off to a learning experience. BUT - Josh....

as a seller *never* spend the money until you have feedback from the customer that they are 100% satisfied - then you will never be in a predicament like this. I've had numerous transactions through AZB - with 100% satisfaction everytime. One time I sold TATE a Palmer, and he did not feel it was as described. After reading the first email regarding his dissappointment in the cue, I paypalled him his refund - no questions asked (and he didn't ask for a refund). Reputation in business is everything....and you can't let yours go bad over $75. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad in these transactions, but if you follow the golden rule - you'll have more good transactions than bad. I learned from my experience, and what you should take from this is that you should ALWAYS know/describe every last detail of the cue as accurately as possible.

Josh - if you need $75 I can spot you and paypal it to Joe, and you can get me back when you have the funds. Lets just get this all cleared up so we can move on. I think this has been blown way out of proportion. Let me know what you want to do.


Matt,

Thank you for the offer on the cash. I do not want your money. Thanks for somewhat saying good about me too. I think it's better you don't say anything in my defense because Joe will just try to make you look bad because that's the way he is. Again, I thank you for the offer but I don't want your money.
 
Jazz said:
I know you aren't going to understand but you are the joker here.

Only $75 .. if it's only $75 then pony up the damn $$.


Yep, I'm the joker.. Your so right... I'm not even going to waste my time..
 
Wow

By the way, I think this here is a joke. You say I am not trustworthy and dishonest. I have sold so many cues on here and everyone has always been more then happy. I run in to one problem and all of a sudden I am not trustworthy and dishonest? If that's how it is I'm not really sure I even would want to continue to sell on here anymore..
 
Nine Ball said:
Joe,

This is a total joke. You have your buddies bad mouthing me and it's ok but when one person says something good about me you tell them to not get involved? Listen to yourself. Total joke....

I, as the majority who posted in this thread, don't know Joe from Adam. If you review the thread you'll concur that your peers think it's your responsibility to get right with Joe at once. NOT ON YOUR TERMS.....ON HIS.

Do it before this SILLINESS kills your ability to deal on this site.

SHEEESH...is it APRILS FOOLS DAY??:rolleyes:

PS---somebody offered to front you the $ you were short..I'm surprised you havn't acted on it unless your intent is to stiff Joe:(
 
Nine Ball said:
By the way, I think this here is a joke. You say I am not trustworthy and dishonest. I have sold so many cues on here and everyone has always been more then happy. I run in to one problem and all of a sudden I am not trustworthy and dishonest? If that's how it is I'm not really sure I even would want to continue to sell on here anymore..

The way things are going, I don't think you need to worry about selling here .. I certainly wouldn't buy from you.

I know two other people, whom I respect, who've had issues with you. I'm seeking their permission to disclose the issues.
 
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