F/S: Pair of Mottey shafts

[Nine Ball]

Josh,
Here's the "problem" with your solution.. 2 things.. I was always going to be "short" until the money (if) it came, and two you then worded it and outright said that we would both have to take a hit on the transaction. Which isn't a solution and isn't going to happen.

JV

BE SHORT UNTIL THE MONEY CAME "IF" IT DID? YOU WERE ALWAYS GOING TO GET THE MONEY BACK!! AND NEVER DID I STATE WE WOULD BOTH TAKE A LOSS, IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IF YOU WERE OK WITH IT THEN IT WOULD OF BEEN RESOLVED THEN. YOUR LOSS WAS $75 AND MINE WAS $100. YOU DISAGREED AND NOTHING MORE WAS SAID OF IT. IT THEN WENT ON TO FINISH SELLING AND I WOULD SEND YOU $100 MORE ON TOP OF WHAT YOU GOT AND THE REST WOULD BE MADE UP WHEN IT COULD BE. I REPEAT, YOU WERE ALWAYS GETTING YOUR MONEY BACK. YOU JUST WANT TO BLOW THIS WAY UP IN TO SOMETHING IT'S NOT.

 

[thingie]

Guys, i think you two should take a day off from the computer to chill out. You two are losing it already.

Josh, you're over-reacting to all thats been said. True, its not your fault that you trusted your friend, but you did sell it after all. Ain't no point to keep pushing it all around.

Joe, private messages were meant to be kept as they are "private". Apart from that, a little more tact and a lot more grace would not make you seem unreasonable to Josh.

I hope both of you can settle this more amicably. Afterall, to err is human, to forgive divine.

 

[Nine Ball]

Joe,


You have the shafts sold! You have told me to send you $130 and we are even and done. The money will be sent out tomorrow to you by money order. I'm going to take a picture of the money order with your name signed to it and post it on here so it can be seen. Then we are done and I never want anything to do with you if it's to be like this. I'm tired of this circus and I refuse to play games. You talk bad about me when maybe you should look in the mirror at some of the things you do. I have done all I could to not let you get the best of me and get involved with this arguing with everyone but I guess you accomplished what you told me you were going to do huh.. "Make sure everyone knew I ripped you off" Which I did not do or even think about doing!!!

 

[Nine Ball]

Guys, i think you two should take a day off from the computer to chill out. You two are losing it already.

Josh, you're over-reacting to all thats been said. True, its not your fault that you trusted your friend, but you did sell it after all. Ain't no point to keep pushing it all around.

Joe, private messages were meant to be kept as they are "private". Apart from that, a little more tact and a lot more grace would not make you seem unreasonable to Josh.

I hope both of you can settle this more amicably. Afterall, to err is human, to forgive divine.

I'm sorry Thingie. I never meant for any of this to happen. If you just read some of the things he has said and says to me it's very hard to not get upset and give a reply. I just want this done and over with. I'm sorry to everyone for all of this. It's not all my fault though.. Considering the way Joe has acted over things has made it a lot worse in my opinion..

 

[Hal]

AND NEVER DID I STATE WE WOULD BOTH TAKE A LOSS

We both take a small same amount loss and just chalk it up on the one loss side.

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[Nine Ball]

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Let me try this again. Never did I say this is how it would be. It was a simple "what do you think of this" kind of thing. When he said no it was dropped.

 

[Nine Ball]

Give It A Rest

Will you guys just give it a rest. The thing is almost over. He is getting all his money back. What's the problem? Why keep beating this? Nothing better to do??? Just give it a rest!!!

 

[classiccues]

Joe,

Hold your horses buddy. Do not put these off on me to Roger. You are selling them to recover some of the money on your end so you are the one he should contact. I said I didn't want to try to sell them because I didn't want nothing more to do with them and you would be more likely to sell them because of your name. I want nothing more to do with these shafts as it's been way too much trouble. ONCE I SEND YOU THE $130 WHICH WILL BE DROPPED OFF AT THE POST OFFICE TOMORROW WE ARE DONE. Also, You just stated you did nothing else but check these shafts for the diameter. Let me QUOTE YOU again

"I will list them as a best offer deal. Because you won't get 200 for them, quite frankly I think they will be luck to get 100. Thin shafts and one has a slight roll, you think me listing them makes them more likely to sell? We'll see...

JV

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NOW WHOS LYING FOR SAYING THEY DID NOTHING MORE BUT CHECK THE SIZES?????? YOU ALSO CALL YOURSELF A LIAR BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPENING POST TO THIS THREAD IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE ROLLED THEM AND WEIGHED THEM. HAHA..[/QUOTE]

Hey the slight roll quote is from YOU when I bought them. I didn't roll them. I weighed them but thats out of COURTESY to the next person. You're right when I get the 130 AND the other payment. YOU AND I are done, but the shafts are still YOURS. If he doesn't like them its still on YOU.. oh wait.. your "friend".

JV

 

[classiccues]

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT BAD BUSINESS!!! LOOK HOW YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ROB!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THEN TO ACT THAT WAY WHEN YOUR RUNNING A BUSINESS!!! AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT ME..

Here is a secret for you.. I know Rob, and have met Rob. I can talk to him any way I want and he KNOWS me. He knows what I am conveying. And you talk about me nit picking.

JV

 

[classiccues]

Joe, private messages were meant to be kept as they are "private". Apart from that, a little more tact and a lot more grace would not make you seem unreasonable to Josh.

I hope both of you can settle this more amicably. Afterall, to err is human, to forgive divine.

I do generally believe that, but when a guy is untrustworthy and has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then is going to lie some more, its getting posted. As a courtesy to anyone who might think about buying from the individual again.

To err is human, to man up, well you need to be a man.

JV

 

[classiccues]

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Thank you.. you saved me some work.

JV

 

[ribdoner]

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NOW WHOS LYING FOR SAYING THEY DID NOTHING MORE BUT CHECK THE SIZES?????? YOU ALSO CALL YOURSELF A LIAR BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPENING POST TO THIS THREAD IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE ROLLED THEM AND WEIGHED THEM. HAHA..

Hey the slight roll quote is from YOU when I bought them. I didn't roll them. I weighed them but thats out of COURTESY to the next person. You're right when I get the 130. YOU AND I are done, but the shafts are still YOURS. If he doesn't like them its still on YOU.. oh wait.. your "friend".

JV[/QUOTE]

Not my business...just curious. If the shafts don't pass muster who reimburses the buyer?

 

[classiccues]

Joe,


You have the shafts sold! You have told me to send you $130 and we are even and done. The money will be sent out tomorrow to you by money order. I'm going to take a picture of the money order with your name signed to it and post it on here so it can be seen. Then we are done and I never want anything to do with you if it's to be like this. I'm tired of this circus and I refuse to play games. You talk bad about me when maybe you should look in the mirror at some of the things you do. I have done all I could to not let you get the best of me and get involved with this arguing with everyone but I guess you accomplished what you told me you were going to do huh.. "Make sure everyone knew I ripped you off" Which I did not do or even think about doing!!!

When Roger sends me the money and I have your money , you and I are done. As far as not thinking about doing.. the second you mentioned that I had to take any loss, you thought about ripping me off. As everyone here has said to you ad nausem. Its YOU who still doesn't get it.

JV

 

[classiccues]

EVERYONE HAS TO SEE IT NOW. THE SITUATION IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING RESOLVED AND HE STILL WANTS TO KEEP IT GOING. I ALSO DO NOT CARE THAT YOU POSTED MY PM TO YOU, BUT YOU ALSO STATED IN THIS THREAD A FEW POSTS AGO THAT POSTING SOMEONES PRIVATE MESSAGES WAS BAD FORM. I QUOTE YOU " It's considered bad form to post any sort of pm or e-mail, with or without names, on a forum.

JV"

My posted PM and you're alleged PM that you posted, serve two entirely different purposes. In case you haven't seen how far I am willing to take it, look at some of the cue design threads. Being in the process and resolved to the purchasers satisfaction are very different.

But the real tragedy here is it could have ALL BEEN AVOIDED, had you really checked the shafts when I repeatedly asked you to. Even after I agreed to buy the second shaft, which was reported to me to be 12.8 you had a chance to make sure this DIDN'T happen. It's the path YOU chose. Not me, not Hal, not Cueaddicts, not cuesareus, no one but yourself. But then you had a second opportunity to make amends by just sending me the money, which you couldn't bring yourself to do. YOU bought this here, so stop blaming everyone else.

As far as the thread being what it is.. go back and read the damn thing from page 1. It was YOU getting defensive that bought this thread to the state its at. The only reason I had to get involved was because of your "solutions" you posted in varying responses to everyone else.

JV (---word of the day.. accountability

 

[Nine Ball]

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NOW WHOS LYING FOR SAYING THEY DID NOTHING MORE BUT CHECK THE SIZES?????? YOU ALSO CALL YOURSELF A LIAR BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPENING POST TO THIS THREAD IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE ROLLED THEM AND WEIGHED THEM. HAHA..

Hey the slight roll quote is from YOU when I bought them. I didn't roll them. I weighed them but thats out of COURTESY to the next person. You're right when I get the 130 AND the other payment. YOU AND I are done, but the shafts are still YOURS. If he doesn't like them its still on YOU.. oh wait.. your "friend".

JV[/QUOTE]


I'm tired of this garbage. Your money is on the way today and I am done with you. Go find someone else to play games with. You have the shafts sold for $170 as you stated and told me to send you $130 and I am doing that today. After that we are done. I don't have time for this. By the way you can tell Roger what ever you want but he's getting the shafts from you. If he doesn't have a problem with the sizes you said then you will not have any problems.

 

[Nine Ball]

Here is a secret for you.. I know Rob, and have met Rob. I can talk to him any way I want and he KNOWS me. He knows what I am conveying. And you talk about me nit picking.

JV

"I can talk to him any way I want" Well that's great for you then. How about the other people who don't know you two know each other and see you speaking to him this way. Bad appearance towards you and your business don't you think? That's all I was saying in bad business on that part of it. I don't really care. You have blow this way out of proportion.

 

[Nine Ball]

I do generally believe that, but when a guy is untrustworthy and has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt, and then is going to lie some more, its getting posted. As a courtesy to anyone who might think about buying from the individual again.

To err is human, to man up, well you need to be a man.

JV

Hey Joe,

Go back and check all the cues I have sold on here and look at all the happy buyers. More then enough said on your comment about buying from me! You blew this way out of proportion as I said earlier. You were always getting your money back but you refuse to see that. I'm done arguing with you. You wanna be right about everything so be right. I'm done..

 

[Nine Ball]

When Roger sends me the money and I have your money , you and I are done. As far as not thinking about doing.. the second you mentioned that I had to take any loss, you thought about ripping me off. As everyone here has said to you ad nausem. Its YOU who still doesn't get it.

JV

Say what you want but the thing of us both taking a loss was just a thought that you didn't like and it was never brought up again. The only reason it was brought up was because I didn't have the whole $300 to give you because I didn't get a penny from those shafts. I never ripped you off and never thought about ripping you off. Go play that card some place else.. I'm tired of this. In reality if you want to keep saying I am trying to rip you off your really the one who ripped me off on that Nomina cue. Nothing said of that though. What a joke. They should all know of that. But you will try to twist that up to make yourself out to be the good guy I'm sure. But this thread is just about the shafts. So let's get this over with and be done!

 

[Nine Ball]

you had a second opportunity to make amends by just sending me the money, which you couldn't bring yourself to do. YOU bought this here, so stop blaming everyone else.

As far as the thread being what it is.. go back and read the damn thing from page 1. It was YOU getting defensive that bought this thread to the state its at. The only reason I had to get involved was because of your "solutions" you posted in varying responses to everyone else.

JV (---word of the day.. accountability[/QUOTE]


I couldn't bring myself to do? Do you even listen? How can I send you all the money IF I DON'T HAVE IT????? Do I make it grow from a tree? Come on. I read the first page! It's not all because of only me! If I could of sent you the whole amount I would of but I couldn't afford it. I said something in the beginnig of the thread because I was trying to be honest and let people know why you just bought them and had them back up for sale. Then you started making sarcastic comments. It went from there.. As you have said you have the shafts sold for $170, I am sending you the other $130. You get your whole $300 back. It will be in the mail today and I am done with all of it. Let's end this garbage!

 

[Poolhawk]

After reading all of the cr@p I can only say I am tired of seeing experienced sellers claim they didnt know blah blah blah.THATS TOTAL bullsh*t. If you shipped the product then before it left your hands your responsible for knowing what your sending. ANYONE who deals in cues can tell a skinny shaft from 12.7 to 12.25 just by looking at it. This cr@p happens alot and it just say's something about the cue business IMO. Honesty is hard to find when it comes time to unload something. I dont care how many deals you've done,it only takes one to ruin you. JV,I've done business with you and mark at valley forge and had a problem 2 years ago. JV and Mark handed me back my 1800 cash 2 hours later once I expressed my problem. Sure,this has been blown up,but it would have never came to that Josh if you would have sent the 300 back and handled the problem your self instead of telling JV to sell the shafts himself,THATS WRONG.
LOL
Your now on many azers sh*t list of sellers