Fargo Billiards is closing?

Just occurred to me that BCA is in Colorado (can't determine which city from website) but any proximity to Fort Collins would be a plus. Also, the Olympics are in Colorado Springs and introduction of a successful high school program there would be additional support for BCA's Olympic dreams.
 
Imo, no school sponsored program would ever work. The reason is it will be the very first thing on the chopping block when budget time comes up every year.

I do however agree we need to hook kids. But I think it should be the pool community to pay for it, not the schools. It could be something as simple as free table time for under 14 or so on weekend mornings/afternoons. That may pay dividends to the rooms when the kids get a couple years older and have a few bucks. Etc.
 
Europe and Asia seem to have strong programs for kids. Mark Wilson's program for college students was a great beginning.

When i was in college, a number of colleges had billiards teams and there were college level tournaments.

Last year i pointed out to a local pool room owner that there were 50000 students here, and many were coming in (with elaborate cases and cues) and playing, but not joining leagues or entering tournaments. I spoke to some of those students to gauge their interest in a student-only league. The students were all for it. The local room owner wasn't interested.
 
People on this site keep equating the popularity of billiards with pool halls and pros. In my city in Canada billiards is probably more popular than ever. The difference being that three of our neighbours out of eight on our estate have billiard tables in their homes. In contrast, when I was a kid, I never even heard of ‘the concept’ of a pool table being in a house.

Why the need to equate the health of a sport with pool halls and bars? I don’t drink. Half the Players and couples we play billiards with don’t drink. There is almost a disdain for players who go play in a league and don’t spend money supporting the venue. ‘They are cheap’. Is that the purpose of billiards...to keep bars solvent?

A sport can be quite healthy without some overriding professional organized superstructure governing it. Billiards doesn’t need the Olympics and I guess that the ‘a’ in BCA stands for America? Hint, the United States is not the world. Not even the centre of the billiards world. The idea of American pool being in the Olympics is a nonstarter and always will be...it’s as exciting as watching paint dry.

Pool halls will continue to dwindle. Larger cities will always have a couple. Bars will have a couple of tables and dedicated sports bars a half dozen or so. In the meantime millions will still enjoy the game on their home tables playing in their pajamas or having friends over.
 
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Modern day pool halls have been forced to rely on alcohol sales for sufficient revenue to meet exorbitant rent. Imagine successfully operating a room today on table income alone. Oh that it would be true, but it ain't.

I hope I am wrong, but I strongly believe that if pool is left to depend on home tables, it will die a slow and agonizing death -- too many neglected and unloved tables in too many homes. Why else would folks be giving them away, selling them for 1 to 2K?
 
Imo, no school sponsored program would ever work. The reason is it will be the very first thing on the chopping block when budget time comes up every year.

I do however agree we need to hook kids. But I think it should be the pool community to pay for it, not the schools. It could be something as simple as free table time for under 14 or so on weekend mornings/afternoons. That may pay dividends to the rooms when the kids get a couple years older and have a few bucks. Etc.

Art programs run independent of schools could be interesting. There model of expansion is to just train people to help train other people to do art and there are many regular activities for video conferencing and chances to share. Art is taught for free through videos and free live demos. Then people option to pay to gain better training opportunities.

Hooking children sounds awful.
Teaching people a discipline and opportunity carries the message most major agencies use when promoting to the youth.
I like the direction Earl is taking saying its a sport that starts in your senior years.

As a younger player I like the idea that I haven't peaked yet because I am too young.
If I had to play younger me 15 years ago, I wouldn't want to be around someone like DrDave.
I prefer to be around pool players that compete at high levels of competition while they are playing high level pool.

I share the story because being hooked isn't enough. Sometimes having mentors or a community helps keep the interest alive.
 
The pool scene in Fargo is very busy. People have had the option to play league at Fargo Billiards, Moorhead Billiards, or the city league which rotates to area bars. Fargo has a lot of teams and Moorhead runs at close to capacity for teams. City league runs on both Tuesdays and Thursdays, but tends to attract a lot of the more casual players than the top players.

Moorhead has captured a lot of the local pool business from Fargo billiards. Many people like the "bar type" atmosphere there, and their tables are like new and service is pretty fair. They run newly felted Diamond 7 footers throughout. That being said, personally I prefer the leagues at Fargo billiards more than Moorhead and I prefer to use Fargorate, which Moorhead still uses the old system.

With the sheer size of Fargo billiards, I'm sure they depended on the banquet rooms being full to stay solvent. With covid, that income dried up and I'm sure that was the main factor in their decision. There is talk of continuing the Fargo Billiards leagues in the future somehow. I hope so.
 
Modern day pool halls have been forced to rely on alcohol sales for sufficient revenue to meet exorbitant rent. Imagine successfully operating a room today on table income alone. Oh that it would be true, but it ain't.

I hope I am wrong, but I strongly believe that if pool is left to depend on home tables, it will die a slow and agonizing death -- too many neglected and unloved tables in too many homes. Why else would folks be giving them away, selling them for 1 to 2K?
Pool is more popular than ever. Ding is the third most recognized sports figure in China and even the Filipino gal helping my aging mother knew Of Efren
Reyes even though she had Likely never picked up a pool cue. I saw pool tables in every establishment in the part of Brazil we were working.

Pool popularity does not depend on alcohol Sales in American bars. That is a losing curve that will continue. Friends and I who played billiards are out hiking and cycling together. Snooker champs like Selby And O'Sullivan are health nuts. Chinese 8 ball champ Garrett Potts has fitness videos. Snooker and Chinese 8 ball are thriving for a few reasons but one being they don’t romanticize an image associated with unhealthy living.

Skip through bits of this video, China’s Most Popular show with 135 million viewers.

 
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Pool is more popular than ever. Ding is the third most recognized sports figure in China and even the Filipino gal helping my aging mother knew Of Efren
Reyes even though she had Likely never picked up a pool cue. I saw pool tables in every establishment in the part of Brazil we were working.

Pool popularity does not depend on alcohol Sales in American bars. That is a losing curve that will continue. Friends and I who played billiards are out hiking and cycling together. Snooker champs like Selby And O'Sullivan are health nuts. Chinese 8 ball champ Garrett Potts has fitness videos. Snooker and Chinese 8 ball are thriving for a few reasons but one being they don’t romanticize an image associated with unhealthy living.

Skip through bits of this video, China’s Most Popular show with 135 million viewers.

No offense but most people on here are based in US/Canada. Most responses about struggling rooms are in the US and they ARE struggling. Other parts of the world pool has a totally different image and its treated more as a sport. I wish it was like that here but that battle has been fought for years. Its better than in years past but pool still fights an image issue.
 
As more rooms close, it will be difficult at best for the sport to survive as we know it. We are looking at at least six more months of closure and maybe longer. I own my building in Ventura Ca. and we aren't going to open anytime soon. When we get the go ahead I'll probably lose most of my staff as well. So what's the answer? I'm going to try to build the business back up again and at my advanced age probably sell it when I get it going again, assuming that happens. Selling it is not an option as who would buy it right now anyway? Players are going to come back slowly and we know we'll have limited capacity to begin with anyway and the dollars just won't be there for some time. Leagues will be slow to start up again and only the most hardcore players will show up initially and they are not the spenders like the pastime players are. Someone posted a newspaper clipping about pool halls in 1918 being shut down due to the Spanish Influenza and the game did come roaring back but I don't think the same mindset and interest is there in 2020/21.
 
Just sad to hear...never tried to manage a pool hall, so not going to criticize. My honorary nephew hung there for a few days, loved the place...
 
Everytime a business owner opens only to close again, he loses the bet. Lose too many bets and . . . I am concerned that many owner's pockets are not deep enough to out run covid.
 
I have been going to Fargo Billiards for several years maybe once a month. Everytime I was in town for work you would find me at Fargo Billiards when I got done working. Alot of the complaints I have read are pretty accurate. Food is not great and service was usually a little slow. Those things never deterred me from going there. The place was a pool players dream. I fell in love the first time that I walked in the door. They had some Gabriels that just played like a dream. I was fortunate that before I read the news about the closing I was already scheduled to be in Fargo a few days this week. I was there 3 nights this week and I am going to miss this place.
 

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I've never based a go/no-go decision on a Yelp rating. Especially places that serve alcohol. Someone has a few too many and gets pissy about something and leaves a crappy review.

Imo, no school sponsored program would ever work. The reason is it will be the very first thing on the chopping block when budget time comes up every year.

I do however agree we need to hook kids. But I think it should be the pool community to pay for it, not the schools. It could be something as simple as free table time for under 14 or so on weekend mornings/afternoons. That may pay dividends to the rooms when the kids get a couple years older and have a few bucks. Etc.
This is members of our youth group on a Sunday last year. The two adults are both certified instructors. They and some other strong local players worked with an instructional component Sunday afternoons followed by some league-like competition. We also had quite a lot of high-school PE classes coming in.
 

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To really grow the sport at the top level, you only need one thing. You need a generation or two of people willing to do it for free or at a loss, or someone with deep enough pockets to fund such a loss. Every sport, including major sports, have endured decades of loss before their sport gained enough popularity to sustain itself. Pool actually had that for a short few years. Unfortunately, the corporation with deep pockets was selling a product that kills people, and the corporations of today don't have a long-enough-term vision to endure that kind of loss. In the mid to late 90's, R. J. Reynolds had a vision of growing the sport at the grass-roots level (think NASCAR level), and was willing to endure decades of losses and mismanagement at the top level of the sport, but the Master Settlement Agreement severely limited their ability to sponsor sports, and pool was one of the ones that got the axe. It was probably a good thing, since the image of the sport was not helped by that sponsorship. But it costs billions and billions of dollars to go through that process, no matter how you do it. Juniors and schools? Good luck, that's a black hole of expenses that a LOT of people have to eat forever. Schools have zero budget for it, already have overcrowded classrooms, and it would literally take thousands of them to achieve the kind of growth that's needed to sustain the sport. The turnover and the limited attention span is insurmountable too. Everyone leaves the program in what, four years? I'm not saying it's impossible, only that it will take so much time, effort, and money that nobody would be willing to do it. If you combined all the for-profit companies in the sport today, manufacturers included, their total worth wouldn't be a drop in the bucket of what it would take. Thinking the BCA, or APA, or anyone else can do it is extremely short-sighted.

So unless someone has a few billion dollars to spend or the "me too" generation morphs into the "you only" generation, real growth like that is not going to happen. A location (like Fargo Billiards) or an area can have a successful program for a short time, as long as those in charge are willing to fund it and run it, but each one is most likely only a few dozen people. Those in charge should be commended for their efforts, but there aren't nearly enough of them and they aren't sustainable. Youth sports is completely dependent on parent volunteers, and they cycle like the youth. Little league baseball, Pop Warner football, AYSO soccer to name a few, all have survived because of the dedication of parents and the funding from the top of the sport and its sponsors. From there they go to the high school level, then the college level. Without programs at every level, it becomes a dead end. Unless pool finds that, it will not grow like many of you want it to.

So what can be done? First, during times like this, keep the existing pool playing community thinking about pool, even if they can't play right now. That doesn't take a lot. Then as the pandemic ends, if it does, they will come back in droves to those locations that survive. The demand from the community will produce new locations, which may look different than the locations of today. But the key is staying in touch with your community. They, after all, are people looking for something to keep their interest. If we fail to do that, they will find something else and it will be much harder to regain anywhere near the (relatively) low level of interest we had before the pandemic. But today we need the connection to the community, the willingness to stay engaged, and A LOT of patience.
 
What would be most helpful in figuring out and directing pool's future is reliance upon scientifically collected data and not opinions dependent upon anecdotal recollection. A series of professionally designed polls might be the place to start. It is possible that such data sets may already exist in the hands of big tobacco, big beer, big billiards, and big educational institutes. A good examination of the effect of the Great Depression on billiards and other like recreational activities would be helpful. An analysis of how and why golf progressed as it did would be most instructive. If such studies do not exist, then someone best care enough about billiards to "get 'er done" because without such information to base our opinions, we are simply "dancing in the dark."
 
mike page. you seemed to have a magical place to come and play. from what ive heard it failed because of loss of customers. if that is right and also usually the reason most places close. then you figure out how to get more and those you lost back. and have to be a realist with an open mind.
this virus will be mostly gone in 6 months time. so that will grow. your reviews and peoples comments lead me to believe your real problem was your employees. slow service , not properly cooked food and a not caring attitude. all hard to fix but clean house and pay more and charge more and i do believe you can stay open and make it. you waited too long and you gad to know. if you still wanted it to work it still might with a big change.
you probably already resigned to closing so sorry to lose such a treasure.
 
the big question is how to get this to make national news? to reach that level sometimes mentioning a body or hostage helps
 
This is members of our youth group on a Sunday last year. The two adults are both certified instructors. They and some other strong local players worked with an instructional component Sunday afternoons followed by some league-like competition. We also had quite a lot of high-school PE classes coming in.
Wonderfull.

Hey Buddy, sorry to hear the place is going to be closing. Your place was amazing! Plenty of people enjoyed coming there or wanted to in the future including me. Take care.
 
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