Fargo Ratings

The game Fargo and the Fargo ratings are two different things.. Fargo ratings are calculated from 8-ball, 9-ball and 10-ball matches, so you must have played in some matches somewhere were used in the calcluations.

http://www.fargorate.com/#faq
 
No idea, but I'd like to know how the ratings relate to the ABC scale as well. From what I've seen, pro players are all 700+, with the top pros in the high 700's and a handful in the 800's.

Hopefully someone in the know can shed some light on this.
 
If this Fargo system is the same as the one in Wisconsin, and I assume it is because I've been talking to the guy who runs the Wisconsin Fargo system, then Masters are above 675, and pros being above 750. I want to say that Larry Nevel is around 775 if I'm not mistaken. Top pros should be above 800.

Also, for every 100 point difference in skill: you are twice as good. Someone who is 800, should win 2:1 games against a 700, 4:1 against a 600, 8:1 against a 500 and so on.
 
Interesting. Thanks for info. How about during CSI matches last wk.?
They had a constant running Fargo %. It was calculating the players odds of winning the match.
 
victorl said:
The game Fargo and the Fargo ratings are two different things.. Fargo ratings are calculated from 8-ball, 9-ball and 10-ball matches, so you must have played in some matches somewhere were used in the calcluations.

http://www.fargorate.com/#faq
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victorl said:
No idea, but I'd like to know how the ratings relate to the ABC scale as well. From what I've seen, pro players are all 700+, with the top pros in the high 700's and a handful in the 800's.

Hopefully someone in the know can shed some light on this.
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There is no uniform meaning of "ABC." We understand that in the early going people will need to associate Fargo Ratings with a variety of descriptors they are accustomed to. But it is our expectation descriptors like ABC, Master, etc
will all go away as people get accustomed to the ratings.

Maybe the attached will help. Some players from Japan. The second number is the robustness--number of games. If robustness is small, rating is not so firm and more volatile
 

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How do they work? I don't mean how can I rate myself by playing Fargo. I mean if I have never played the game, how can I have a Fargo rating based off tournament finishes? And based on finishes in different disciplines, at that.
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In one of the videos on their website, they show a graph that compares first visit run out percentage in 8-ball, with the Fargo rating.

By rough memory, pros (750ish) are 50+%. 600 is around 30%. 400 about 10%... kinda rough guesses, and the algorithm isn't based on this alone, but one could estimate their Fargorating based on this stat.

From that stat and my several matches with top pros, I'd guess I'm in the 650 range when practicing a bit.

Just having this rating system in place provides motivation to want to get back into top form and play in more events though. Big applause to Mike and CSI!

Colin
 
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mikepage said:
There is no uniform meaning of "ABC." We understand that in the early going people will need to associate Fargo Ratings with a variety of descriptors they are accustomed to. But it is our expectation descriptors like ABC, Master, etc
will all go away as people get accustomed to the ratings.

Maybe the attached will help. Some players from Japan. The second number is the robustness--number of games. If robustness is small, rating is not so firm and more volatile
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This is a really cool idea, to bring all the ratings into a singular scope.
 
Interesting, are there a public domain version of the FargoRate algorithm online somewhere? It would be fun to write a small web interface to record and calculate the ratings for a couple of dozen people in my institute that play pool frequently.
 
peppersauce said:
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So is that to say 200 games on file gives a pretty accurate picture of someone's Fargo rating, Mike?
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That's not an unreasonable rule of thumb. But it's actually kind of complicated. For instance if you have played 200 games largely against opponents who don't have many games in the system, you won't be rated very accurately.

Also, high-level players need more games to have a firm rating because they run out so much. If Shane plays Dennis it might go to the hill one day and then be 11-2 the next and then 2-11 the next. If you take two average league-level players who play the same speed as one another, you will not see 11-2; instead you will see 11-9 or 9-11...

I like the system. The only thing is, I know several short stop speed players who, somehow, have managed to avoid this list. They get around but a list search yields nothing.
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Oh yes! We are FAR from comprehensive. Some areas we are close and some areas we are far away. This will change in time.

I also know a couple of people who have multiple ratings on the list because I searched different names I know they use and they all have a different Fargo rating...most with only around 50 or so games on file for each alias.
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No doubt... this will always be a struggle. William Jones plays one tournament, Willie Jones plays another. Bill Jones plays the next. Then Billy Jones, then Billy-the-Kid Jones.... We combine these players when we can, and we are developing machine-learning approaches to identify people....

The one saving grace is with every new bit of attention and every new bit of data, we improve. We will continue to improve for a long, long time.
 
Mike,

Is there a correlation between USAPL and the Fargo rating? The FAQ kinda alludes to it and I was wondering how my USAPL rating would translate over to Fargo.

How big is the Database at this time? You show 31k players to date.

If there is a correlation between the USAPL rating and Fargo, has that data from the USAPL been translated and added to the DB?

Is the USAPL going to use Fargo? I know, I can try.

Al
 
BCA pool league has just announced the implementation of FargoRate. I'd like to know how a player gets a rating based on the BCApl 8 ball format.
 
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