But according to some on AZB, I'm just a furniture installer, 
Fast cloth question
- Thread starter goatgod
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I use 760 on my 8-foot table.
This causes me to work on the delicate side of my game--exact position play.
I find it easier to add power (when playing on 860) than to add delicacy (when practicing on 860 and finding myself on 760).
tomatoshooter
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Table size is also a factor but the hopefully soon to be replaced cloth on my table is pretty slow. If you use sidespin well, it's not too hard to get the cue ball around the table.
Guy Manges
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I hope that they take good care of it... GuyYou
You're right about the slower cloth, but there was lot of manufacturers producing the woven woolen cloth in those days, but Stevens 22oz Superweave and Brunco1 were not in that category of slow, thick, shedding cloths.
I just installed 4 7ft Diamond's in the Ranch Tavern in Yakima, WA.
When all the league players that showed up to play on the tables for league that night saw there wasn't any Simonis cloth on the tables, without hitting a ball on the tables yet, several of them come up to me and asked me why I didn't install Simonis cloth on the tables, because no one wants to play on slow cloth. I just laughed and told everyone, you will all have to learn to shoot pool all over again
After all 4 were set up and ready to play, everyone jumped on the tables, I just sat back and watched!!
I heard "what the hell' and "holly shit, did you see that" and 'wow, did you see that draw back"
When I left, no one was complaining about the "SLOW" cloth anymore, and no one was calling it 'FAST" either, but everyone was asking what was the new cloth if not Simonis? I just told everyone it's a new Simonis cloth product
Nick Lopez, the Yakima table mechanic that helped me install the Diamonds, also helped me install the 4 Diamonds in the Dutch Bar & Grill in Yakima as well, asked me if I could get him the same Strachan Superweave but in Tour Blue instead of Green, because he wanted to put the same cloth on those tables as well, because even he had never seen a cloth play or react like this cloth was playing.
So, the morel of this story is, there's a lot of brain washing going on when it comes to installing cloth, that's called good MARKETING!!!
Cushions are also a huge factor- regardless of what cloth you put on a table. Any older Olhausen table with original cushions will play slow compared to a Diamond table no matter what cloth you put on the Olhausen. I often have played on an older Olhausen with original cushions and new Simonis and it still is very slow compared to a Diamond table.
That's because of cushion density, Accufast cushions are a lot softer, so they rebound slower.
Yes and that cushion softness also translates into pockets that don't work very well either - with the way they are cut at the factory - a pinball machine effect on balls that strike the pocket facings at any speed other than super soft. I always wondered how a company like Olhausen invested all that money into building a simple product that just does not work - did those guys EVER ask for pro opinion before starting their manufacturing - or they just did not care? I know they sold a pile of tables to the home table consumer and I guess they figured correctly that those people would not know the difference.
Pool tables are divided into 2 categories, 1) home market, 2) commercial market.
Seldom is there table manufacturer that fits in both market places equally.
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Why isnt there a market for tables that play true to the billiard systems corrected for a 9 foot table?
Because when you're talking about comparing 3C billiards, with about 3 different ways of altering the banks, where the speed of the cloth, as wellas the resistance of the cloth, and extremely high density cushions, and the size of the balls, and the heated slates, ALL make the game of 3C night and day different than the game of pocket pool, and it's 100 different ways of banking balls!
I don't care who you are, or what pool tables you manufacturer, no one can make a pool table that plays like a billiards table, it's impossible because there are so many variables in the game of pool, unlike there is in 3C.
If I had to put a number on it, I'd have to guess that about 98% of all home tables in this country don't lead to playing in pool leagues, pool halls, or even Simonis cloth installed on them.
agree and most home tables should just get a cheaper cloth as the kids in the house just ruin it. and no one knows the difference anyway.
and most home tables just get whatever cloth the installer puts on it or came with the table as the customers dont know to ask.
but i was thinking more for a players table.
and most home tables just get whatever cloth the installer puts on it or came with the table as the customers dont know to ask.
but i was thinking more for a players table.
Thanks for the reply
Question- back when Olhausen tables were being used in some of the U.S. pro pool tournaments- I believe in the 90s at times, were those pockets set up differently than Olhausen home tables? Also, were the cushions used in those tournaments the standard Olhausen cushions?
Thanks!
Olhausen never changed their pocket dimensions for tournaments, and yes, they used the Olhausen Accufast cushions back then, no different than they do today.
Thanks, I will ned to watch a few of the Accustat matches with Olhausen tables to see what great strokes were used to move that cue ball around without using speed to pocket balls down the rails.
The faster the cloth, the harder it is to control the cue ball, that's all I'm saying!