Fear of Feel

Sloppy Pockets said:
Yes, and it happens to be one of the most frustrating conundrums in quantum physics.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm

Thankfully, as Patrick has pointed out, pool is not quantum physics. The difficulty in achieving true objectivity, however, remains a major problem in all of science.
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That is an amazing article and certainly another level of recognition for highly classified information. I think it supports the fact the love of the information is truly in the eye of the beholder as his subjectivity brings the information seen into question because of the changes in the information.

Wouldnt it be interesting to find out that the changes in the object observed occurred on a level where the object made itself to appear more attractive further removing objectivity and supporting the fact that that the longer you look at something perhaps the more you might like it.

I am glad that pool is not on such a level. I saw two guys gambling once 2 thousand a set and there wasnt a brain cell amongst them. I was thinking someone needed to call an anthropologist...lol
 
ThePoliteSniper said:
Interesting to see that nothing has changed here. CTErs continue their condescending preachings and don't seem to know the basic rules of discussion, or how to interact with human beings in general. It would be so much easier to sell your product, if you answered questions and criticism in a friendly manner, instead of hijacking threads and talking down to people.

Fear of Feel = Fear of Pool
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Point taken.

Yet some only seem to be able to speak one kind of language.

Then others can get pulled into speaking the same language until they catch themselves.

Thanks for the reminder.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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Is the sunrise and sunset a subjective view of the world or a objective view of the world?

Is quality of the the sun rise or sunset a subjective view of the world or a objective view of the world.

Take my daughter shooting. I can put 5 in the bullseye. Her groupings were off to one side, same gun, same distance, same ammo. The difference could be seen. Is that a subjective or objective view that two people could see the difference in groupings?

I make sight adjustment. She now hits bull. The difference in adjustment is measured. Is this measurement subjective or objective?
 
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duckie said:
Is the sunrise and sunset a subjective view of the world or a objective view of the world?

Is quality of the the sun rise or sunset a subjective view of the world or a objective view of the world.

Take my daughter shooting. I can put 5 in the bullseye. Her groupings were off to one side, same gun, same distance, same ammo. The difference could be seen. Is that a subjective or objective view that two people could see the difference in groupings?

I make sight adjustment. She now hits bull. The difference in adjustment is measured. Is this measurement subjective or objective?
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Duckie, you have an astounding grasp of the obvious.
 
CJ Wiley said:
Yes, I can certainly explain in detail how I play, from the pre shot routine, how I rehearse every aspect of the upcoming shot and even the subconscious components of the aiming process.

The actual "feel/touch" part of the game is done after the left hand touches the table. imho
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I agree that's when it becomes all feel/touch. But even before that, when the "rough" aiming is done, even with a system, there's a substantial amount of "visual judgment" involved.

Your description of rehearsing even the subconscious components of the aiming process is very interesting.

pj
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The sad thing is anyone who is serious about pool is serious about pool.
We all have a common bond, the love for the game of pool.

I have my beliefs and theories in training, aiming, ball striking and so on.
I have received very nice compliments as well as nasty comments. I have received kind and extremely nasty private messages, its ok I am a big boy, I will only blind you in one eye and cut off one ear.

I think I can strike the cue ball as accurate and clean as anyone, it doesn’t stop me from reading and learning everything I can to expand my knowledge as a person. Once you think you know it all you you're done, you stop searching for that competitive edge you have with yourself, you don’t know what you don’t know until you know it.

I have made this comment many times on how to stay down, focus, and cue ball control.(Send the cue ball with your eyes) Imagine getting messages telling me to stop posting crap like I know what I am talking about. They should only know this knowledge was taught to me by Steve Mizerak and Jack Colavita, I guess Steve and Jack have no clue.

God forbid you should tell someone there is a difference between a finished stroke and a completed stroke, or clearing the cue up in the air and not straight through on certain strokes, I guess 99% of the world's top players have no clue also.Just watch the feel that comes out of players, it may not be text book but its feel that can't be taught. It's mine, it's yours, everyone has their own.

I have pages and pages of info on alignment, aiming, eyes, grips, feet, etc etc, enough to write 10 books that I will not post because I don't want to deal with close minded uncivil people who refuse to learn from it or toss it in the garbage.

Pool takes an enormous amount of patience. If patience and civility were a little more common on AZB maybe others would post on here. I think if many on here spent a few weeks together they would realize how much they have in common and would call each other friend.

Pool, the common bond we have, safety is in numbers.

Sincerely: SS
 
SmoothStroke said:
The sad thing is anyone who is serious about pool is serious about pool.
We all have a common bond, the love for the game of pool.

I have my beliefs and theories in training, aiming, ball striking and so on.
I have received very nice compliments as well as nasty comments. I have received kind and extremely nasty private messages, its ok I am a big boy, I will only blind you in one eye and cut off one ear.

I think I can strike the cue ball as accurate and clean as anyone, it doesn’t stop me from reading and learning everything I can to expand my knowledge as a person. Once you think you know it all you you're done, you stop searching for that competitive edge you have with yourself, you don’t know what you don’t know until you know it.

I have made this comment many times on how to stay down, focus, and cue ball control.(Send the cue ball with your eyes) Imagine getting messages telling me to stop posting crap like I know what I am talking about. They should only know this knowledge was taught to me by Steve Mizerak and Jack Colavita, I guess Steve and Jack have no clue.

God forbid you should tell someone there is a difference between a finished stroke and a completed stroke, or clearing the cue up in the air and not straight through on certain strokes, I guess 99% of the world's top players have no clue also.Just watch the feel that comes out of players, it may not be text book but its feel that can't be taught. It's mine, it's yours, everyone has their own.

I have pages and pages of info on alignment, aiming, eyes, grips, feet, etc etc, enough to write 10 books that I will not post because I don't want to deal with close minded uncivil people who refuse to learn from it or toss it in the garbage.

Pool takes an enormous amount of patience. If patience and civility were a little more common on AZB maybe others would post on here. I think if many on here spent a few weeks together they would realize how much they have in common and would call each other friend.

Pool, the common bond we have, safety is in numbers.

Sincerely: SS
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CJ Wiley said:
Yes, I can certainly explain in detail how I play, from the pre shot routine, how I rehearse every aspect of the upcoming shot and even the subconscious components of the aiming process.

The actual "feel/touch" part of the game is done after the left hand touches the table. imho
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I call it making a 7 second movie for each shot.

Written, starring, produced and directed by, each and every player that is standing over the shot.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Point taken.

Yet some only seem to be able to speak one kind of language.

Then others can get pulled into speaking the same language until they catch themselves.

Thanks for the reminder.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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How true...
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
Good point.

Personally, I tried one and couldn't make a ball. Literally. I was like John Barton in the video where he shows it can't possibly work, but at least I tried it. My wife, however, (who can't play a lick) can get pretty fair results using it. Same placement of the arrow each time (by me), but it works for her and not for me, and I'm basically a ghost ball shooter. Go figure.
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On the contrary, John Barton, shows it CAN work in his video! It doesn't work for him, probably because he has never been trained properly. You cannot learn the GB system of aiming on a manila file folder! In his own words: "I am not able to perceive..." doesn't that apply to any system that you have never been trained in properly? Again, in his own words: "I am not saying any other method is better. I think CTE is better, but it is a much more difficult system to use."
He does go on to say that "the GB method is a easy method to learn". Wouldn't that make it perfect for beginners? After all, it is taught by real pros, such as Allison Fisher, Ewa Mataya; and in the Billiards Digest aiming article, there were many pros who admitted using the method!
It works...on the pool table but not on a file folder! Once you learn it, it also works even better when combined with other methods such as fractional aiming. Maybe even TOI, which I will be finding out next week.
Here is a simple way to learn it, it is the way I use to teach it back in the 80's. Take a "Reinforcement Label" (see pic below) and place it anywhere on the pool table. Place the cue ball on top of the label...don't worry, it will center itself on the label. Now freeze an object ball to the cue ball in line with any pocket. Now remove the cue ball from atop the label and place anywhere on the table at an angle to which you would pocket the OB in the pocket you lined it up with. Aim for the center of the label, shoot and the OB goes in the pocket. Practice this with all the pockets and all the angles and you will easily learn the GB method of aiming! However, like any other method...you must practice it on a pool table, and not a manila file folder!:thumbup:
BTW, these labels are also great to use to mark the exact position of the ball(s) when trying exercises where you must place the ball(s) in exactly the same position repeatedly.
You can buy the labels at any office supply store for about $2 for 200.
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cfrandy said:
It doesn't work for him, probably because he has never been trained properly. You cannot learn the GB system of aiming on a manila file folder! In his own words: "I am not able to perceive..." doesn't that apply to any system that you have never been trained in properly?
It works...on the pool table but not on a file folder! However, like any other method...you must practice it on a pool table, and not a manila file folder!]
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I know these words are about GB but lets face it, you can substitute cte or any other system here.
It works on a pool table.
Some on here have never been trained properly, yet they claim and post like experts.
LOL.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Good. I'm glad you agree with me.

Oh my... isn't this stuff just such child's play & so much unlike an honest genuine discussion... or a genuine civil 'debate'.

Best 2 Ya, Cookie.
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If we shall continue the debate than you must state your credentials.
Do you own the dvd or ever study it.
Have you watched the you tube videos.
How much time have you spent on CTE at an actual pool table.
Any in person lessons from a reputable CTE instructor.

My answers:
I own both DVD's
I've watched all you tubes by Stan.
I have about 7 years of table time with CTE.
I've had lessons with Stan and shot and talked CTE with numerous people including Dave Segal and Randy G to name a few.

Your turn Rick
 
cfrandy said:
On the contrary, John Barton, shows it CAN work in his video! It doesn't work for him, probably because he has never been trained properly. You cannot learn the GB system of aiming on a manila file folder! In his own words: "I am not able to perceive..." doesn't that apply to any system that you have never been trained in properly? Again, in his own words: "I am not saying any other method is better. I think CTE is better, but it is a much more difficult system to use."
He does go on to say that "the GB method is a easy method to learn". Wouldn't that make it perfect for beginners? After all, it is taught by real pros, such as Allison Fisher, Ewa Mataya; and in the Billiards Digest aiming article, there were many pros who admitted using the method!
It works...on the pool table but not on a file folder! Once you learn it, it also works even better when combined with other methods such as fractional aiming. Maybe even TOI, which I will be finding out next week.
Here is a simple way to learn it, it is the way I use to teach it back in the 80's. Take a "Reinforcement Label" (see pic below) and place it anywhere on the pool table. Place the cue ball on top of the label...don't worry, it will center itself on the label. Now freeze an object ball to the cue ball in line with any pocket. Now remove the cue ball from atop the label and place anywhere on the table at an angle to which you would pocket the OB in the pocket you lined it up with. Aim for the center of the label, shoot and the OB goes in the pocket. Practice this with all the pockets and all the angles and you will easily learn the GB method of aiming! However, like any other method...you must practice it on a pool table, and not a manila file folder!:thumbup:
BTW, these labels are also great to use to mark the exact position of the ball(s) when trying exercises where you must place the ball(s) in exactly the same position repeatedly.
You can buy the labels at any office supply store for about $2 for 200.
label.jpg
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Do you have any well known students? And they can be well known locally, since I live in Florida now I may have heard of them.
 
cookie man said:
I know these words are about GB but lets face it, you can substitute cte or any other system here.
It works on a pool table.
Some on here have never been trained properly, yet they claim and post like experts.
LOL.
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But that's exactly what many (not all) of the CTE "detractors" have been saying all along. It's just another system that works well on a pool table (but only a 2:1 ratio pool table) with the proper training and a lot of practice. It is not "The Holy Grail" as some would have it, just a well thought out system for aligning to the proper shot line. I can follow the teachings of Christ without believing he was the son of a deity and could perform miracles. And I do, for the most part... even though I'm basically a Buddhist.
 
cfrandy said:
On the contrary, John Barton, shows it CAN work in his video! It doesn't work for him, probably because he has never been trained properly. You cannot learn the GB system of aiming on a manila file folder! In his own words: "I am not able to perceive..." doesn't that apply to any system that you have never been trained in properly? Again, in his own words: "I am not saying any other method is better. I think CTE is better, but it is a much more difficult system to use."
He does go on to say that "the GB method is a easy method to learn". Wouldn't that make it perfect for beginners? After all, it is taught by real pros, such as Allison Fisher, Ewa Mataya; and in the Billiards Digest aiming article, there were many pros who admitted using the method!
It works...on the pool table but not on a file folder! Once you learn it, it also works even better when combined with other methods such as fractional aiming. Maybe even TOI, which I will be finding out next week.
Here is a simple way to learn it, it is the way I use to teach it back in the 80's. Take a "Reinforcement Label" (see pic below) and place it anywhere on the pool table. Place the cue ball on top of the label...don't worry, it will center itself on the label. Now freeze an object ball to the cue ball in line with any pocket. Now remove the cue ball from atop the label and place anywhere on the table at an angle to which you would pocket the OB in the pocket you lined it up with. Aim for the center of the label, shoot and the OB goes in the pocket. Practice this with all the pockets and all the angles and you will easily learn the GB method of aiming! However, like any other method...you must practice it on a pool table, and not a manila file folder!:thumbup:
BTW, these labels are also great to use to mark the exact position of the ball(s) when trying exercises where you must place the ball(s) in exactly the same position repeatedly.
You can buy the labels at any office supply store for about $2 for 200.
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I was talking about using the Cranfield arrow to learn to aim at the "contact patch", not about using ghost ball aiming itself. I am definitely a ghost ball shooter and have always been (even though I didn't realize it until somebody pointed out to me that's what I was doing), but I don't need any sort of a training aid to see where to put the ball. I never aim at the contact patch, I always just try to aim the CB into the ghost ball position on the shot line. Big difference.

It never even occurred to me to aim at the contact patch until I read an article about that arrow some years ago. It doesn't even fit the mental image of a ghost ball, which is the mental visualization of a ball sitting on the table, not a point that is set on the shot line 1 1/8" back from the back of the OB. To me, that is not GB aiming, but some sort of contact point aiming.
 
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