The 19th amendment was ratified in 1920 that women could vote in national elections. Shifting occured in favor in 1918 when president Wilson changed his position to supportthe amendment, thus GIVING women that right.:smile:
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The 19th amendment was ratified in 1920 that women could vote in national elections. Shifting occured in favor in 1918 when president Wilson changed his position to supportthe amendment, thus GIVING women that right.:smile:
Thank you. That's exactly my point. Most of us either had to cut down our time in pool rooms or not bother to venture into the game at all. I've seen many women with potential to be good players witness one or two incidents and they were gone for good. They wanted no part of it. Men tend to stick around. Even some of the regulars who never caused trouble would, after an incident, stand around talking about it and snickering for weeks afterwards. As long as it didn't directly involve them, it was like going to the movies for them.
What they don't realize is that scenes like that are also keeping others away---not just players but potential sponsors and people with connections to potential sponsors. They cry and moan that there's no money in the game, yet they refuse to address this major behavioral problem.
Major brand names would have to be crazy to risk good money and a connection with their brand with that kind of behavior.
Amsterdam Billiards is a great example of a room that controls it's environment. Neither management nor it's patrons will stand for bad behavior and there is a healthy population of women players there. You won't last long there if you act up. Unfortunately, they are in the minority.
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It's very rare to find well behaved men in a pool room to this day. There might be a few here and there, but they rarely speak up when they see bad manners displayed. It's still a dangerous venue for most people. I see it on this forum, in this very thread.
I wish there were more women around but I can't say I blame them for staying away.
I wish there were more women around but I can't say I blame them for staying away.
I have already given up on the cheer leading idea. I realize it's a female dominated field. I have decided to try my hand at being a ring card boy. You know the girls who walk around the ring between rounds holding up big cards to let people know what round it is? I want to do that. I've practiced it. I found out the exact dimensions of the cards they use, then set out practicing at home - first just holding the card, then actually walking with it over my head. It took a while but I began to get the hang of it. I know I'm good enough for the job. All I can do is hope I'm not hounded out of the business because I'm a man. Plus I think there may be a ring card union, so it may be a hard field to get into. Jeez, I hope the ring girls don't ever go on strike. Imagine watching a fight and not knowing what round it is! I'm going to give it my best shot. Wish me luck. I'm going to break the gender barrier yet. Nobody's going to hold this man down.
TJ
Can you send me some of the drugs you are on? I'd appreciate a break from reality and whatever plane you are on seems to be working for you.
If you did work your butt off to become a cheerleader and the women said no, you have the wrong equipment and therefore you are not allowed to compete in ALL the competitions just in a few select ones then you would never know how you really stacked up because you wouldn't have the chance to get tournament experience. You would have to be REALLY exceptional to be able to do better than all the seasoned pros and if you were then it would clear to everyone that they would have to deal with you.
But the ODDS would be much more that you, the tiny minority who did NOT have the same level of cheerleading experience and training, would NOT be better than the field, maybe middle of the pack, maybe bottom of the pack. So no one would EXPECT you to go out and beat all the top cheerleaders when everyone knows you didn't have the same opportunities to learn cheerleading the way they did.
If some idiot were to say, look see that proves that Tommy can't compete with the women then that would be the wrong way to look at it. What it proved is that Tommy isn't YET ready to compete with the top women on equal footing. Give Tommy a chance to train and compete in the same way then MAYBE Tommy will become a world class cheerleader. But bar him and it's almost a certainty that he will NEVER become a world class cheerleader.
Now, if Tommy manages to break the gender barrier and pioneers equal competition then perhaps it inspires more men to take up cheerleading and in ten years or so the rankings of top cheerleaders would have an much higher mix of men and women and in 15 years maybe the #1 cheerleader would be a man. And maybe someday that man would be president.
Simple commercial pot is the drug I use, not that I need it to speak my mind. Now, as for your comments, I believe you are wrong. There are plenty of guys who are cheerleaders in high school and college. I'm sure many are as good or better than the women. But they are not wanted on the pro level and we all know why. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see the need for cheerleaders period - but I can understand why females would be preferred over men on the pro level. We all understand that. And that's my point. We tend to understand fields of employment that are exclusively female, yet go nuts and scream foul when it goes the other way. All it takes is one screaming female voice and a lawyer to back it up and we've got a law suit on our hands. Funny stuff.
TJ
Yes, such good places are in the minority, but you have found at least one such place, so instead of wasting time putting down all the joints you don't like, why not spend a little more positive time promoting the ones you do like? Cut to the chase. You sure did go the long way around to finally get to something positive. Now get in there and practice and cut the excuses, Ma'am.
TJ
The right to vote, what a hoax. Same thing with freedom of speech. Everyone with a tongue has freedom of speech. Even in places where people have to whisper they still have speech. Sometimes a whisper carries more weight than a ton of noise.
Be careful what you wish for. Look at gay marriage for example. I don't care one way or the other except for the humor in it. All the gays are going to get from it is the same right as straight people when it comes time to get a divorce lawyer. I can see it now, two gay guys get married and later decide it's not working, so they have to go get lawyers to make their separation legal, and as they're going through all the legal bullshit, all they can think looking back on the day of their marriage is, "What the hell were we thinking?"
Anyway, just my opinion, but the right to vote as well as freedom of speech are two grand hoaxes that keep people from doing anything constructive about things they don't like, as both freedoms mentioned give them a false sense of hope that no matter how bad things are now they can always get better 4 years from now. I have never voted and never will. Sorry, if people want to vote, that's fine with me - but those who boast of it or blast others for not dong the same are idiots of the highest order and very lynch mob oriented in their way of thinking. This is definitely not a pool related post. So to make up for it, tell you what I'll do, I'll play you a race to 10. If I win it proves that voting is for idiots. If you win I'm wrong. Buy me a bus ticket and I'm on my way to your hometown to match up. I don't fly. Hitch hike or bus is the way I go.
TJ
I don't think the standard is low, or that games take an age to finish in womens billiards. A lot of top women players do practice with a lot of the top guys, but I'm a firm believer that playing "better" players will not improve your game. If you were to play SVB in practice for a month the only thing that you'd get better at is sitting down. Most of the women players out there that are concidered top pros have to work a normal job too, so they can't afford to put in 8+ hours a day practice like the guys do.
Would you be willing to play my 14 year old neice for a few grand at snooker? Tell me the standard of womens billiards is low once she makes an 80 break on you
"if you were to play SVB in practice for a month the only thing you'd get better at is sitting down." :rotflmao1:
Actually although you make a good point, when I play better players and im involved more than just watching some things they do stick better in my head. I won't say it helps me get better more than it helps me see what im doing wrong and than work at it.
What countries have you lived in for any extended period of time?
I guess you don't know that a male cheerleader did end up being president, for 8 years.
Right, and now that corporate America controls every living aspect of your life has nothing to do with people not voting and fighting for rights. Every decision made by politicians is directly influenced by lobbyists paid by corporations, corporations who give politicians money for their campaign and than rig the system in their favor. Yes, voting might be trivial to some extent but only bc they changed your view point and essentially won. You seem like a gambling man so I'll propose a bet, I bet you your entire wordly possesions that if you ever get arreseted or something bad happens you'll be the first to scream "im an american and I have rights".
Dave_C
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True statement. If you never play folks better than you are, you will NEVER progress.
I cannot agree here.
Especiall look what happened to the pool sport in the past years-- more and more asian and some europeaon female players coming up stronger and stronger. If you re talking about the playing speed, i cannot agree, too.
There are nowadays very strong female players, who could compete on a very high level. Jasmin Ouschan for example competes often on the Euro Tour- and the Euro Tour in my opinion is one of the toughest tournaments in the world.
Jasmin also ended up in the 14.1 worlds in the semi finals (in that tournament she won against 2 world champions iirc).
If we go further, we could also take Kelly Fisher. Imo the female player who increased the most in the past 2 years. She is for sure a calibre where also *male* players would have to show everything to win, or even to have a chance.
If we then take the asian players also-well, then we have another large amount of strong female players who could compete in every tournament.
Of course there is still an advantage if we pick the *top professionals* on the male-side. But don t forget, that there are far more players. So it s a bit unfair to compare male and females.
Especiall look what happened to the pool sport in the past years-- more and more asian and some europeaon female players coming up stronger and stronger. If you re talking about the playing speed, i cannot agree, too.
There are nowadays very strong female players, who could compete on a very high level. Jasmin Ouschan for example competes often on the Euro Tour- and the Euro Tour in my opinion is one of the toughest tournaments in the world.
Jasmin also ended up in the 14.1 worlds in the semi finals (in that tournament she won against 2 world champions iirc).
If we go further, we could also take Kelly Fisher. Imo the female player who increased the most in the past 2 years. She is for sure a calibre where also *male* players would have to show everything to win, or even to have a chance.
If we then take the asian players also-well, then we have another large amount of strong female players who could compete in every tournament.
Of course there is still an advantage if we pick the *top professionals* on the male-side. But don t forget, that there are far more players. So it s a bit unfair to compare male and females.