ferrule replacement on ob-1 shaft

tread2004

tread2004

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I have been able to hit with an ob-1 shaft that had a regular ferrule on it. It was an out of town player who owned the shaft and wouldn't tell his name, where he's from, or who did the work on the shaft. The hit was amazing. It was still very soft and even more solid than before. Has anybody tried this or have any tips on how to do this? I really want to have an ob-1 configured this way.
 
Tread,

While this can certainly be done, it will significantly add to the cue ball squirt or deflection.

The only way to put a conventional ferrule on, in a way that it won't crack, would be to drill out our tenon and replace it with maple, then install the new ferrule. Both of these actions will add back the tip end mass that we remove by building it the way we do.

Of course, there would be no warranty after that either.

Sorry!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
RBC said:
Tread,

While this can certainly be done, it will significantly add to the cue ball squirt or deflection.

The only way to put a conventional ferrule on, in a way that it won't crack, would be to drill out our tenon and replace it with maple, then install the new ferrule. Both of these actions will add back the tip end mass that we remove by building it the way we do.

Of course, there would be no warranty after that either.

Sorry!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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What type of tenon have ob shafts? if it have a conventional tenon is possible turn ferrule so you can conserve original tenon for other ferrule. I ask¡¡¡ I dont know abaut OB tenon and ferrule construction.

so, Ob ferrules are drilled and tapped or only drilled?

thanks
 
I realize that this will effect deflection. But, I feel that it improves the hit for me. I could honestly care less if it increases deflection. From what I noticed from hitting with the modified shaft is that the deflection/squirt was still less than a conventional shaft.
 
ob1 shafts have a balsa wood tenon.

IMHO there would be no way to use this on a reg ferrule set up.

i do predators with ivory ferrules. i take a 1 1/4'' ivory slug. cut a 1/2'' tenon out of the ivory and put is into the shaft. which leaves me with a 3/4 in ferrule. 314s have a bore in the shaft. and ob1 could be done the same way. you would just have to bore out the old tenon first
 
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Tread2004,
The modified ob-1 that you liked the hit of, what tip was installed on that cue?
It may well be you prefered the hit of that tip.
You can put a thin decorative sleeve onto an ob-1 and so it looks like a normal ferrule.
The balsa in an ob-1 is not the tennon , but is used for another reason.
The laminated wood ferrule is glued to a fairly thin shell of the shaft.
I can see why Royce would not want to warrenty a conversion, as most plastics do not adhere as well as wood and so the strength is not the same at the intersection of the thin shell.
A wood tennon can be added and then a normal ferrule of choice installed with no problems apart from just adding weight in the front of the shaft.
It may well be that you also like the cues that are a closer hit to a bar cue, but like the consistancy that a laminated shaft offers.
Any local cue repair person should be able to acommodate this for you.
I have installed my tip system into the ob-1 cues, and there does not seem to be any noticeable effect from this.The conversion added about 1.5 grams.
Neil
 
The ferrules on the OB Shafts are sleeves, and they are not threaded. They are, however, pretty thin because the maple tenon of the shaft wood is rather large in diameter.

If you were to put plastic in the place of our ferrule, it would crack and split due to expansion and contraction differences between the plastic and the maple tenon. The reason this does not happen with ours is that they are both maple. When maple is glued to maple with the right glues, they become one. There are no differences in expansion or contraction to deal with.

The balsa wood core in the tip end of our cue shafts serves many purposes. However, it has maple shaft material around it so the 2 together form the tenon for the ferrule. If you were to turn this down to a normal size, you would turn away the maple and leave only the balsa, which of course would not be strong enough to support the new ferrule.


Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
The tip was just a regular old lepro tip. The shaft was a 5/16-14 thread pattern which fits onto my prather. Which I forgot to mention I own a normal ob-1 shaft with a lepro and was able to do a comparison. The shaft felt better to me. As far as a warranty issue. It is completely understandable about not warrantying this conversion. But, how many of us have altered something to suit us better knowing full well it would void a warranty? So no offense cone tip but, your assumptions about my preferences are incorrect.
 
But do you like the feel of the modified OB1 more than a traditional shaft with a normal ferrule?

I can barely see the point in modifying a low deflection shaft so that it is not low deflection anymore. Low deflection shafts like Predator or OB make several design choices and compromises just to achieve low deflection.
No offense but.. why not get a standard shaft if deflection is not important for you?
 
To me, the hit of a modified ob-1 shaft does feel better than a conventional shaft. I also like the hit better than an unmodified ob-1 shaft. Even the modified shaft seemed to have less deflection than a conventional shaft. I guess it depends on what kind of ferrule that was on that shaft. Feel is everything to me. I play with a higher end Prather cue that feels like butter when I play. But, I have stated to many people that if I found a plain jane import cue that felt better to me I would play with it.
 
just contact kevin varney, he is a cuemaker on AZ who performs many ferrule modifications of both Predator and OB1 shafts. He will take care of you.
 
the feel of the shaft has more to do then just the ferrule. you are correct about the lower tip mass but a spliced shaft will also hit stiffer. the are spliced shafts made without a bore.

i too like the modified low deflection shafts better. i played with a 314 for over 10 years. when i switched to a normal maple shaft i struggled with certin shots. esp inside english. when i switched to the modified 314 i was right on target. like nothing changed. ive done alot of mods. many experiments. there is very very little change in weight and deflection.
 
spliced said:
just contact kevin varney, he is a cuemaker on AZ who performs many ferrule modifications of both Predator and OB1 shafts. He will take care of you.
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I'd be happy to take care of you. I have a long list of customers who are much happier after the mod.:)
 
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