has anyone here had a chance to play with the woody ferrules that dave kikel advertises he uses on his cues......juston
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No, but I often play with a shaft that has no ferrule. It has considerably less squirt than the same shaft with, for example, an ivory ferrule. With no ferrule at all, you have to be careful to use only fiber-backed tips or the wood can split.cuewhiz189 said:
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Bob Jewett said:
Dear Bob, Just about all of us on this forum use Ivory ferrules becuase they are pretty and shiny, they are the best, they play the best and they perform the best, they squirt and deflect the least. Get with the program here. There was a recent war here over that, the guy saying they stunk was banned.
bob.....im not wanting to argue but what credentials do you have to back up that ferrules cause squirt....i feel if you knew anything about mechanics that you would know that using a hard material on the end of a shaft will lessen squirt and deflection......what you said doesnt make any sense to me....i have done many cue repairs and you are the first i have ever heard of putting a tip just on the end of the shaft......seeing as all cuemakers use some sort of ferrule,i dont think they are wrong.....i would hope you would rethink what you said and realize ferrules are a critical component to the playability of a cue.......juston coleman
Actually, quite the opposite is true. You don't need to believe me, check out Predator --- just about the softest ferrule material of any used.
By the way, the harder the ferrule, the more cue ball squirt.
Troy...~~~ Years of repair experience
By the way, the harder the ferrule, the more cue ball squirt.
Troy...~~~ Years of repair experience
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well troy in my opinion the only reason they use those soft ferrules is so that those crappy shafts have a minute amount of feel.....i feel predator is a joke and i cant believe they have lasted as long as they have......if the were what they claimed to be then why doesnt everyone play with them......simply cause you cant do anything with a predator shaft that a player on the same level cant do with a good straight shaft from any onf the top cuemakers.....they might help muecci and cues of that nature.....but they are nothing more than a way for a player to not have to have a decnet stroke......thats just what i think........juston
cuewhiz189 said:
I did the experiment. I took a shaft with an ivory ferrule, tried to repair the ferrule, the tenon broke off, and I said, "what the heck" and just glued a tip to the bare end of the shaft. It had the least squirt of any shaft I had see up until then. Later, I got another shaft for which I specifically asked for low squirt. It had lots of squirt. I cut the ferrule off, and it was just like the other shaft -- low squirt.
If you would like to learn more about the theory of squirt, I recommend Ron Shepard's paper on it. It's under "miscellaneous files" on the SFBA web site.
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in my opinion... if you cut off the ferrule you would get less squirt. not because of the lack of ferrule but because its then shorter. cut 6 inches off i think you would have even less. again, just my opinion.
I believe a player of Mr. Jewett’s caliber knows what he is talking about. Too many people confuse the terms "squirt" and "deflection" as the way the shaft moves when the cue ball is stroked. Squirt and deflection are terms used to dictate the path of the cue ball after it is stroked with side spin, not whether or not the shaft gives or moves out of the way... JMHO.shawn said:
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Jon
shawn said:
So far as the causes of squirt are understood, the most important thing is the mass in the first five inches or so of the shaft. Predator shafts are low-squirt partly because they have reduced the mass by drilling out the wood in that area. Carom cues probably use very short ferrules (half-inch or less) for that reason, and snooker cues have relatively light ferrules even though they are brass (thin and short).
Here's an experiment to try: Wrap some lead solder around your ferrule and test for squirt. Try moving it back on the stick. See at what position it stops having an effect on squirt.
Can you pls forward that to Bob Meucci and his robot?BiG_JoN said:
Hey, is Predator's patented "insert" the .250 by 5 inches bored hole?
Hmm, so patent applies to an AIRSPACE???
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jon i wasnt saying that how much the shaft deflects off the cue ball was squirmore flexible shafts make it worse
... as in deflects the cue ball, not the cueball deflecting the shaft... a$$hole... lol, i think they plugged it with some kinda foam...Joseph Cues said:Can you pls forward that to Bob Meucci and his robot?
Hey, is Predator's patented "insert" the .250 by 5 inches bored hole?
Hmm, so patent applies to an AIRSPACE???
Thanks,
Jon <- going to bore a hole in his shaft, fill it with expanding foam, then put on a ferrule made of human skin (slightly harder and heavier than predators) with a new hollow ultra tip!!!! I'm a GURU!!!!
I wasn't speaking of you in particular, just most people who think they know the secrets of quantum physics... applied to pool...shawn said:
Yes they do (flimsy shafts), I believe Ted Harris' shaft was tested on Bob Meucci's robot, and the results made Ole' Bob jump out of his skin, and Ted’s shaft taper is the same measurement... anywhere...
Thanks,
Jon
That's right. Predators are designed in such a way that the tip of the shaft deflect off the cueball before the cueball squirts away from the tip.BiG_JoN said:... as in deflects the cue ball, not the cueball deflecting the shaft... a$$hole... lol, i think they plugged it with some kinda foam...
Thanks,
Jon <- going to bore a hole in his shaft, fill it with expanding foam, then put on a ferrule made of human skin (slightly harder and heavier than predators) with a new hollow ultra tip!!!! I'm a GURU!!!!
I guess Thowas Wayne had an experiment yrs ago about coring the end of the shaft with some Alaskan wood. Of course, you can use Holly now if you want. They are very light too.
I've seen the inside of a 314 shaft. The foam is on the ferrule not totally inside the bored hole. The foam is just there to dampen the sound.
Juston claims he sent you some Mary Kay lipstick tubes for ferrule use.
I didn't know you were that cheap. I would have used Avon lipstick tubes.
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no ferrule no good
I was just told Bob Jewett runs the rsb site, that is his to post his views and now he's here to post his. Every one here who went over to rsb and tried to post views were slammed into tomorrow by him and his pals. A ton of deflection stuff is now going up by Meucci and predator on www.billiards-pool.net and on the thread: Question about shafts? Explain Deflection once and for all? ( 1, 2) go to the end of page two, it is being said this no ferrule is all bunk and bs. Sounds like we are in for a great debate. Blud, jump in here and tell em Ivory is the best and the only way to go, don't let Jewett run you off your pulpit.
I was just told Bob Jewett runs the rsb site, that is his to post his views and now he's here to post his. Every one here who went over to rsb and tried to post views were slammed into tomorrow by him and his pals. A ton of deflection stuff is now going up by Meucci and predator on www.billiards-pool.net and on the thread: Question about shafts? Explain Deflection once and for all? ( 1, 2) go to the end of page two, it is being said this no ferrule is all bunk and bs. Sounds like we are in for a great debate. Blud, jump in here and tell em Ivory is the best and the only way to go, don't let Jewett run you off your pulpit.
Barney, what would the point in arguing be?Barney said:
If people believe they play better with a Predator or Meucci ( gulp!) shaft, let them.
Even if Predator or Meucci's claim are valid, so what?
You still have to shoot straight and judge speed.
My opinion is, those who keep looking for the magic shaft have a crooked stroke and think magic shafts will make them shoot straighter.
Barney said:
Actually, RSB is owned by Patrick Johnson. Bob occasionally posts there, as he does here, but Pat will be the one trying to run you off. Of course, if you get a posting license from S. Hegg, you're good to go. As long as you have the license, Pat won't bother you.